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Member Section => Defense and Tactics => Topic started by: Steyr M40A1 on September 21, 2009, 11:21:03 PM
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=267_1253303332 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=267_1253303332)
Pay attention to the ends as the video is of two different camera angles.
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I like the women kicking him.... no really, don't do that. the bank is insured, your not.
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Good find! This one is from there too. ;D
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=76ddd550f8
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honestly do people still rob banks? thought that one had grown old about 150 years ago. ::)
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honestly do people still rob banks? thought that one had grown old about 150 years ago. ::)
It's one of the easiest crimes to get away with, tellers ususally don't resist. Very low conviction rate.
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If you thought the guy was going to shoot someone, good move. If not, idiot! That money is insured, let it go. Back in the pre New Deal days before the FDIC and when every cent of yours and your neighbor's life savings were on the line I'd give a different answer. Today, let the cops and the FBI handle it.
FQ13
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If you thought the guy was going to shoot someone, good move. If not, idiot! That money is insured, let it go. Back in the pre New Deal days before the FDIC and when every cent of yours and your neighbor's life savings were on the line I'd give a different answer. Today, let the cops and the FBI handle it.
FQ13
FQ13
I do understand but part of me thinks anytime you can put the boot to a bad guys skull you should take it.
Where do you draw the line?
It's not my car?
It's not my house?
It's not my kid?
It is my tax money insuring the account. He's stealing from me. He's stealing from you.
The FBI?? Ask any local cop about the FEEBEE response to bank robberies. They don't even show up anymore most of the time. They are catching terrorists don't you know!
RANT OFF
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It's one of the easiest crimes to get away with, tellers ususally don't resist. Very low conviction rate.
i think im in the wrong buisness then ;D
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i think im in the wrong buisness then ;D
the FBI also says the average take is only $1700 and change.... thats not alot of money for the 10 years it will cost you in club fed.
whats funny is you could rob a bank, get out, rob a bank again, get out, rob a bank again, get out... if you rob a post office, you would still spend another 5 years in jail. min for bank robbery is 10 years, its 35 for robbing a post office.
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FQ13
I do understand but part of me thinks anytime you can put the boot to a bad guys skull you should take it.
Where do you draw the line?
It's not my car?
It's not my house?
It's not my kid?
It is my tax money insuring the account. He's stealing from me. He's stealing from you.
The FBI?? Ask any local cop about the FEEBEE response to bank robberies. They don't even show up anymore most of the time. They are catching terrorists don't you know!
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Pretty good rant. ;D But, my view is I will risk life and limb, and legal jeoprdy to protect an innocent, my self or my livelihood. The rest of it is just stuff. I'm not going to kill, die or go to jail over bank money that's fully insured. As far as catching the guy, that's why we have cops.
FQ13
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FQ,
It is about more than bank money. I read your thoughts as being the old "boys will be boys" idea of street racing and vandalism. At some point all citizens need to say enough is enough, and this behavior is not acceptable!
Watch the video. This customer took a very calculated high percentage approach at the robber. Sure there is risk in this, but there is risk in doing nothing as well. The female customer ... I believe she could build a case for assisting in the take down without going overboard. A struggling bad guy in the arms of a good guy, and she gives him one kick to the upper body or head. Bad guy settles down, and she does not continue to kick.
Money is insured ... Sure it is, but what is it insured with? Even though banks pay premium it is all still your and my money. This is a public "insurance" (translate as poorly funded and tax dollars).
I'm not for us all becoming wanna be cops, but we need to take responsibility for our society or we will lose it. I don't want to give it away in a time when too many are trying to take it away from us.
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FQ,
It is about more than bank money. I read your thoughts as being the old "boys will be boys" idea of street racing and vandalism. At some point all citizens need to say enough is enough, and this behavior is not acceptable!
You be reading it wrong. Its about self defense and threat assesment. If I or someonelse is danger I will physically intervene. If not, I will not risk life and freedom in a case where it is not necessary. I will yell at a robber runing from your unoccupied house and write down his plate number and call the PD, I'm not going to tackle him or shoot him. Same if it was my house. At the bank, If I felt threatend yeah, if the guy seemed like he just wanted the money and a clear shot at the door that's a different story. You need to remember as well the law is not necessarily on your side. If you intervene and a third party is injured, you could be facing civil and criminal liability.
FQ13
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Did the robber even have a gun?
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While I see m58's point, and agree that we do indeed need to take responsibility for our society, but in this case I have to agree with FQ, stuff can be replaced, lives can not.
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I can't take it anymore ... Tom, you usually research and catch this stuff:
Did anyone else bother to read the news story ???
http://www.wisn.com/cnn-news/20926585/detail.html (http://www.wisn.com/cnn-news/20926585/detail.html)
Does it change anything that the woman doing business while this man is waiting, and eating popcorn, is the man's wife? Does it change anything that she is in the area where the bandit is pacing?
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I can't take it anymore ... Tom, you usually research and catch this stuff:
Did anyone else bother to read the news story ???
http://www.wisn.com/cnn-news/20926585/detail.html (http://www.wisn.com/cnn-news/20926585/detail.html)
Does it change anything that the woman doing business while this man is waiting, and eating popcorn, is the man's wife? Does it change anything that she is in the area where the bandit is pacing?
Thats why he said he acted...... He said he was in fear for his wife's life.
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I can't take it anymore ... Tom, you usually research and catch this stuff:
Did anyone else bother to read the news story ???
http://www.wisn.com/cnn-news/20926585/detail.html (http://www.wisn.com/cnn-news/20926585/detail.html)
Does it change anything that the woman doing business while this man is waiting, and eating popcorn, is the man's wife? Does it change anything that she is in the area where the bandit is pacing?
I don't think so, He doesn't really seem to be paying attention to anyone but the three tellers, (or the good guy would not have been able to get so close ) so his wife doesn't SEEM to be in any immanent danger. Had I been there I may have had a different take on the situation.
While I was living in Ca. there was a robbery at a SF bank of America, where a "Good Samaritan" jumped the robber. The robber got away with his money anyway and the good guy died from a .357 to the head. The robber was arrested a week later because some one turned him in for the reward.
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I don't think so, He doesn't really seem to be paying attention to anyone but the three tellers, (or the good guy would not have been able to get so close ) so his wife doesn't SEEM to be in any immanent danger. Had I been there I may have had a different take on the situation.
While I was living in Ca. there was a robbery at a SF bank of America, where a "Good Samaritan" jumped the robber. The robber got away with his money anyway and the good guy died from a .357 to the head. The robber was arrested a week later because some one turned him in for the reward.
Video report I saw quoted the man as saying he was worried about his wife
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5V7h3q2jHM&feature=channel
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I video report I saw quoted the man as saying he was worried about his wife
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5V7h3q2jHM&feature=channel
Didn't mean to contradict you Eric, I quoted the wrong post. I fixed it now so it makes sense ;D
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I think it is one of the highest conviction rates only second to murder?
It's one of the easiest crimes to get away with, tellers ususally don't resist. Very low conviction rate.
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I don't see how it wouldn't. Every bank is full of cameras inside and outsid. Plus they are virtually all corporate owned. They can afford a 10 reward. Anyone dumb enough to rob one (average haul is about 2k) is going to come from an economic strata where folks will dime out grandma for 10k.
FQ13
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http://www.fbi.gov/publications/bcs/bcs2006/bank_crime_2006.htm
Last full year data I could find. 20% of the money recovered.
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I've seen several cases lately where the feds didn't prosecute and left it to the state courts to prosecute, try, convict, and house the prisoners. Not sure why, Maybe they feds feel it's not worth their time and effort if it is a small take. Maybe they don't want the expense. Maybe state sentences are longer.
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Most chances taken on armed carriers shows a big "0" in most of it. Most criminals know not to hit such a target cause they are trained and armed. As they should be!!!!!!! Internal theft for just lunch money causes more corporations money than they can account for over the fiscal year..... ??? They need to open their minds. Cutting hard is for the desparate. Cutting short is for the career criminal. Just insight from a long time loss prevention specialist. Only a small percentage will take the large takes!!!!!!!!!!!!
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So your standing in / laying on the floor of a bank being robbed... What kind of tv movie watching idiot is thinking about pulling his gun and shooting the guy when he's only concentrating on taking the money and getting away?!? Take a chance getting myself killed for somebody elses money?!? No thanks.
You rob a bank to get money, and get away. If you go on a berserk shooting spree you'll only bring down 100 X's as much heat on yourself. Even the dumbest robber is going to consider this. JMO. I dont think its time to play hero.