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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: tombogan03884 on September 23, 2009, 11:19:20 AM
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090923/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_overhaul
WASHINGTON – Senate Finance Committee Democrats have rejected a GOP amendment that would have required a health overhaul bill to be available online for 72 hours before the committee votes.
Republicans argued that transparency is an Obama administration goal. They also noted that their constituents are demanding that they read bills before voting.
Democrats said it was a delay tactic that could have postponed a vote for weeks.
The Democrats noted that unlike other committees, the Finance Committee works off conceptual language that describes policies — instead of legislative language that ultimately becomes law, and which the GOP amendment would have required.
Democrats accepted an alternate amendment to make conceptual language available online before a vote.
THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.
WASHINGTON (AP) — Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus heard some encouraging words Wednesday from a key centrist Democrat as he opened the second day of a committee meeting to debate and vote on his sweeping health overhaul bill.
Sen. Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas said she only wants to support legislation that reduces the deficit and holds down long-term costs. Baucus' bill, she said, "does meet these very important goals ... setting us on a sustainable path for the future."
Lincoln is up for re-election in a conservative-leaning state so she's one of the moderate Democrats Baucus, D-Mont., needs to win over in his committee — and whose backing President Barack Obama will need if Congress is to deliver on his top domestic priority.
Her comments underscored the delicate juggling act for Finance Committee Democrats as they deliberate Baucus' nearly $900 billion, 10-year bill: Making health insurance more affordable for millions of Americans while holding down spending.
Baucus' legislation, built along the lines Obama is seeking, aims to extend coverage to most uninsured Americans, expand protections for those already covered and generally reduce the ruinous growth in medical costs nationwide.
The first day of the committee's meeting to debate and vote on the bill dragged late into the night Tuesday with Republicans raising a slew of questions, from the legislation's cost to its basic constitutionality, and only one amendment out of 564 pending came to a vote. That was a non-controversial measure, approved by voice vote, creating a test project in Medicare to allow hospitalized patients to be monitored electronically from afar by specialists.
As the committee took up a daunting task that has thwarted past congresses, Baucus heralded the occasion. "This is our opportunity to make history," he said.
By the end of the night he just wanted an end in sight. "At some point we've got to get to amendments," Baucus said as Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, raised question after question.
"We've got to understand what's in this doggone bill," Hatch complained. "This is not some itty-bitty bill. This could wreck the country."
Baucus is aiming to get the bill through his committee by the end of the week and ultimately he's expected to succeed. But if Day One was any measure, there will be plenty of fights along the way.
In a sign of the tensions evoked by the bill, several committee Democrats called for increasing the rebates that drug companies must pay the government for certain low-income patients. That would breach an agreement among the White House, Baucus and drug makers under which drug companies have agreed to pay $80 billion toward the cost of a health overhaul, including reducing prescription drug prices for some seniors.
Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., complained that he and others were never part of the deal with the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America and were under no obligation to protect drug makers from further costs.
Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, responded angrily that the deal would stand, noting that the White House helped adopt it.
Baucus kept his mouth shut through the debate on drug costs but postponed a vote on the amendment until Wednesday. The amendment's author, Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla., said the change would raise some $86 billion which he would use to protect seniors enrolled in private insurance plans under Medicare from any changes under the legislation.
Despite Obama's repeated claims that Medicare benefits will not be cut, Congressional Budget Office Director Douglas Elmendorf told senators Tuesday that the elderly in the private Medicare Advantage plans could see reduced benefits under Baucus' bill.
Baucus' bill is the most conservative, and cheapest, of five bills in Congress, and as a result committee Democrats and the one Republican whose vote Baucus is courting — Sen. Olympia Snowe of Maine — had concerns about whether it did enough to make insurance affordable for people who will face a new requirement to buy it.
Baucus announced $50 billion in changes Tuesday to address that issue. The most significant would sweeten the subsidies for individuals and families with incomes up to four times the government's poverty level — which would work out to be $43,320 for individuals and $88,200 for a family of four. Baucus also decided to reduce the penalty for families who defy a proposed requirement to purchase coverage, from $3,800 to $1,900.
Elmendorf estimated in a letter to Baucus that some families with annual incomes in the range of $66,000 could wind up spending as much as 20 percent of that — $13,300 — in out-of-pocket health expenses such as premiums and copays. The changes Baucus announced Tuesday would reduce that somewhat but the estimates still alarmed some Democrats.
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Sounds like it's almost time to bend over and assume the position. ::)
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They are going to pass this regardless if 99.9999% of the people are against this. They also are going to make it so vague, and open, that they can do whatever they want when they are done.
WE are SCREWED!!
-Bidah
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They are going to pass this regardless if 99.9999% of the people are against this. They also are going to make it so vague, and open, that they can do whatever they want when they are done.
WE are SCREWED!!
-Bidah
Yes, friends, neighbors and countrymen..........and there will be sand in the vaseline. >:(
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And amnesty is next!
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And amnesty is next!
Is that they point when BHO would legally be our President ???
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… so when are they going to decide that a gun ban is necessary for proper healthcare and include it in the package?
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… so when are they going to decide that a gun ban is necessary for proper healthcare and include it in the package?
Fuzzdaddy,
Go over to the Cafe and read the thread on Canada at the UN. I've brought up what I'm learning about agencies (EPA in my current case) and how they can regulate us without due process.
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I hope Montana remembers come election time.
Baucus want to charge a penalty for those who choose NO healthcare.... >:(
… so when are they going to decide that a gun ban is necessary for proper healthcare and include it in the package?
As soon as the reality of the 2010 elections set in,.....than they may try to ram almost anything through...Fall on the sword, even at their own seat in Congress, for the "One"....