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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: warhawke on November 14, 2007, 06:44:02 PM
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Since hearing about STI's California boycott here on the DRTV podcast I've been shouting it all over the web. This is exactly what we need, stop whining and start fighting this nonsense. We need to demand that every manufacturer of firearms, ammunition, self defense products join in this effort. It is time that states like California, Illinois and others stop benefiting from us even as they destroy our rights. Manufacturers in anti-gun states need to move and everybody needs to tell the gestapo in those states to buy their tools from China and North Korea, just like the other tyrants of the world. We need to tell the Fudd's and others in these places that if they will not defend their fellow gun owners who own weapons they don't like then they can stop looking to us for our help. If Stanley Sheet-shooter in LA can't get his ammo TOUGH! He should try fighting the anti's or learn to play golf, after all it's just a game for him anyway.
I am tired of watching my rights wash away in a tide of apathy. I am tired of listening to people who whine about what's going on and do nothing but sit on their fat duff's. I'm tired of people who cut a check to the NRA and think it is going to restore their rights, or even keep the one's they have. It is time to make noise, it's time to hurt peoples bottomlines, it's time to show that we will not take this crap anymore.
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they actually said "FU" to CA years ago. Then a few years after that they said they would sell to LEO, who of corse are exmept to the laws that us "regular" folks in CA must fallow.
All cops are good guys right?
Stuff like this is why I really hate CA.
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Since I am not in the market for and STI handgun, I am planning to purchase a t-shirt from them as a small gesture of support and I would encourage everyone to do the same. Likewise, get yourself some Barrett shirts as well.
Well done STI.
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They only way that I can see this working is that the large manufacturers say no as well, and that is to everyone, LE included. Of course this may be what CA is planning on, LE excluded. If other states sign on, and I would be that MA or MD would next, then what.. I still applaud the action, I just hope there is more follow through.
-Bidah
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As I recall, a lot of the LEO agencies supported these lame, egregiously illegal laws. So screw 'em So no one sells anything to any LEO or other gummint agency in CA (or IL for that matter) - no holsters, belts, vests, nothing. Cut 'em off and let 'em know why!
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Barrett also moved out of the state, if I remember correctly. But, yes, the big companys need to step up and tell them no more guns, period. The bad thing about it is company from overseas would just step in to fill the gap.
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Larry Correia is putting together a group STI "thank you" buy.
http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2007/11/15/sti-group-buy/
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Basic boycotts are great, and they do cause "some" thought. However, if you really want to make a point with a boycott you need to do like Barrett did and not sell or service weapons to the law enforcement agencies as well.
Do you think it would get some attention if manufacturers and distributors refused to sell to anyone, including law enforcement, in the land of fruits and nuts? Imagine if the only way the LAPD could get new weapons was to purchase them from some out of state agency, and since it was then sold as used there was no warranty or support. And how about ammo? Since no one will ship guns into California there will be no need for ammo.
This may actually become an issue that takes care of itself, since unless gun makers are going to build special guns just for California (look at what car manufacturers were forced to do starting back in the late 60's) it will be a boycott brought on by the legal system in itself. Most likely that is what they want, but I sure hope they have studied the recent history in Great Britten so they know the pitfalls of trying to ban knives and clubs next.
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Man, I wish I could afford an STI right now...I was looking at the Trojan long slide, but chickened out when my local guy said it would be about $1500. I know that's not a lot compared to many 1911's, but I didn't know if I'd like it and there aren't any around here to "feel up".
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STI does not currently have any models on California's approved handgun list. They already are not selling to private citizens there. Have they been selling to law enforcement though? If so, then the boycott has a nice ring to it. If not, then, well, why the charade?
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The way I understood the press release from STI (www.stiguns.com and select the press release button in the middle of the page) they did not meet the rules for private citizens because of all the crap over the years, however they did still have guns for law enforcement and felt it was proper for them to offer what they had to law enforcement. Now they are not offering to anyone or anything in California.
By the way, when you are at the STI web site there is a contact button. We are all saying nice things here, but I think we also need to use that button and tell them directly.
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Yes, I so agree with you warhawke. I live in Illinois and trust me, it sucks being a gun owner in this state. I even had to use my FOID card to purchase a pellet gun to teach my son to shoot and use a scope. In Illinois if it shoots more then 700fps and is .18 or larger(like a .22 pellet gun) it is considered a firearm and can only be purchased with a FOID card. And that is only if you can find a place willing to do the paperwork. Most pellet guns in the K-marts and Wal-marts, if they even still sell them, only shoot up to 700fps. ILLINOIS SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gov. Blowjobovich KMA!!!
I'm a member of sportsmansguide.com, who is also a sponsor or the American Rifleman show and I believe the owner of SPG is also an NRA member. I have spent quite a bit of money at SPG and have been a member going on I think 5 yrs. now. They wouldn't do the paperwork. They didn't want to deal with it is what I was told. I had to go through a gun dealer in Illinois, who's brother is a gunsmith and works for him but lives in Wisconsin to buy it, ( they would ship it to Wi.) then I believe transfer it to the shop then to me, just to get a flipping pellet gun. They sponsor a "GUN SHOW" but won't do what it takes to help a shooter. UNREAL!!! I sent an email or message to the NRA and the American Rifleman T.V. Show about this. I got a reply from the NRA saying they'd forward it to I forget who, but I doubt it is important enough that it will get changed. They won't want to stop the money from coming in from the sponsor. But how pathetic is it to have a sponsor that sells hunting and shooting items, sponsor an NRA show about guns and similar, and then not sell something as pathetic as a pellet gun to a member of that business, who is also a member of the NRA and who is also a legal law-abiding FOID card holder. All because they didn't/don't want to deal with a lil' bit of paperwork. Shame on them.
This is just another back door way Illinois has found to keep guns from people. After all, out of sight out of mind.
ILLINOIS SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As for what you suggest about everyone sticking together in this fight, and manufacturers sticking together and creating boycotts, you are entirely correct, WE NEED TO. As m58 stated, they all need to have the marbles like Barrett and do as they did. But, if a threat becomes a very serious and close reality to becoming a law, I'd like to see all these same manufacturers stop providing/making firearms to/for everyone, not just civilians. So if we can't have guns why should they need guns. I mean if the Hildabeast gets into office and tries to omit the 2nd amendment as she's said she would like to see done, we could very well be screwed. The only ones that will suffer will be us, the law-abiding responsible gun-owners. The criminals will still have them and find ways to get or make more. We will go from a DEMOCRACY to a COMMUNIST CONTROLLED STATE. The Government on state and federal levels alike, telling us when to jump and how high. We all can't live in secure apartment buildings or have security systems or armed security personnel to protect us,for example, as the Hildabeast probably has. You think if we can't have guns she'll no longer have armed protection? No way.
Do the politicians really think and believe that if they take all guns away killings will stop? Do they think the illegal owners of guns will come forward and give theirs up? Do they think gang bangers will give theirs up? Most of the killing we here about in the media is from gangs. Those that have no conscience will just find other means to kill. After all, Cain killed Able with a "ROCK"! Well then,they better ban and take away cars,baseball bats,butter knives,kitchen forks,pencils and anything else that can be used to kill or cause harm to another.
Now with my next statement please don't get me wrong. But here goes. Let's face it. There are some very bad cops out there. But there are also some very dedicated loyal and trusting cops also. I know a few personally. Many officers don't mind a civilian owning firearms while others think they and the military should be the only ones that need to or should be allowed to. But then you have the one in Wisconsin that shoots 6 people, then you have the Chicago cops that beat a female bartender or the ones that beat the patron, 2 separate instances as examples. I say this to ask what you think it would be like if we are all no longer allowed to have the right to bear arms, to protect ourselves? Now again, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying any of the stuff abouts cops to start anything. I have only pointed out documented instances that shows we can only truly count on ourselves to protect us and our families. Where I live, they do not have enough police to police. If the taxing body isn't there they can't afford to have a bigger dept.. So then we must rely on ourselves.
Our media is of no help either. You very rarely ever hear about all the incidents where a gun has saved someone. If you've ever subscribed to or read the American Rifleman magazine and read the many Armed Citizen stories, you know they are out there. But the media never reports on them.
I love this country. Is it perfect, no. Are there far worse places to live, hell yes. Will things get worse, hell yes. Do I want to be left unarmed when it gets worse, HELL NO. Our politicians and Government, on both the State and Federal levels, are trying to leave us unarmed the next time our enemy/ies attack. And they will if they get there way, IF WE LET THEM! In the early parts of WWII LE and military personel alike were training civilians, young and old to use handguns and tommyguns for fear the Japs would try and attack the U.S. through Alaska and parts of I believe Washington state. Haven't seen it in a while to state the areas for sure but it was a show on the military channel called "Target America".
Back then they wanted and needed our help, now they want to disarm us so our enemies and America haters will be able to just waltz right in.
Maybe some need to rent and sit back and watch the Chuck Norris DVD "Invasion USA"!
My intent wasn't to bash the popo or cause any riffs. I just wanted to express an opinion. America is heading towards another civil war, or we'll get attacked by terrorists again. Do you really want to be unarmed when the chit hits the fan, and you know it will. I sure as hell don't want to be.
Again Warhawke, I agree with what you've said. I feel the same way. They'll be taking mine from my dead cold hands. I will never start the fight, but I will not just sit back send the white flag up and cave in and say here, take what I have.
My guns, any I've owned or may own have ever nor will they ever kill anyone unless in self defense or if necessary to protect this country. Sometimes I think that has helped keep us from being attacked. Having these countries and terrorist groups knowing that many Americans are gun owners and wouldn't hesitate to protect this great country!
In the words of Larry the Cable Guy, "IF GUNS KILL PEOPLE THEN PENCILS AND IN THIS CASE, KEYBOARDS MISSPEL WORDS"! Fight the Good Fight.
GlockMeister
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GlockMeister, I feel your pain - literally. I lived in Evanston for many, many years - was part of that liberal mindset until the nineties when my eyes got opened. Once divorced, I started slowly acquiring my "goodies", many of which the fascists in Evanston - and the state - deemed to be "illegal".
When Blago got elected in that Democrat sweep, I physically packed everything up and moved it out of state - did not want a 4AM raid to find anything. I then moved myself out of state as soon as the younger lad finished High School and came to a much more attractive state - physically, less crime, less pollution, less egregious, smarmy, nasty little liberals with Hitler complexes. And I do have a CCW for the first time in my life - shall issue state, you know.
It is nice. It may not be a possible solution for everyone, so you folks still in IL, CA, MA and elsewhere are in our thoughts and prayers until they get turned around.
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I just sent STI an email thanking them. If you would like to, their address is:
sales@stiguns.com
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I just did too. Thanks for the link.