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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: fightingquaker13 on September 29, 2009, 01:21:53 AM
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I live in South Florida where we have no shortage of wild pigs. I at first, was looking for an EBR in 7.62x39 as it would double for hunting pigs (with a 5 round mag to stay legal) no problem. Then I got a great deal on an AR, out went the AK, in with the DPMS for reasons of ammo and mag availability. I'm still not sure that was the right call, but done is done. The question is, is the .556 enough gun for pigs at close (30-75 yards) range, or do I stick with the .270? I know the .270 will do the job, but I am looking for a quick handling brush carbine. IF the AR with eotech won't do that I think I should consider a trade in. I want a quick to the shoulder one shot stop (yes I could use the 12 gauge, but thats not the question. See, shoulder, apply red dot, bang, and done. Thats what I want.).Any experience? Any stories?
FQ13
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No. Been there, tried that in SC and TN. .223 will result in you loosing half your pigs. 30-30 lever action works good, I tried my 270, but its a bolt gun, and proved to long barreled for "quick pig action". ;D Plus I was lucky my buddy followed up with a quick second shot for me more than once. Pigs can be tough!! And if the one you shot doesnt go down you got about a 30% chance he'll come after you. If he doesnt, his friends will! This is the whole reason I bought my AK 15 years ago, and you'd think everything about the gun had been built to purpose. Perfect gun for the job!
Then again, I've heard people talk about hunting them with bow's! Heard some really funny "I got mauled" stories too! Glad it wasnt me.
You make the call, have a friend with you though! And a camera!!!
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a 22 short will work, if you put it in the right spot.
You saw the pic of my scar in haz thread right?
that pig took 2 arrows and 3 30-06 and still managed to do that.( fell down dead right after he hit me)
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5.56 will NOT do it. .270 yes. 20 gauge works well (so do bayonets ;) ).
Seriously the guides always drool over our leverguns. 38/357 is fine. I have a 454 18 inch and HazJr has a 44 mag 20 inch.
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Head shots only....... best to pick a bigger caliber
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5.56 will NOT do it. .270 yes. 20 gauge works well (so do bayonets ;) ).
Seriously the guides always drool over our leverguns. 38/357 is fine. I have a 454 18 inch and HazJr has a 44 mag 20 inch.
Oh, 5-point-5-6. Based on the title, I was thinking a .50 cal was probably on the large size for a pig. ;D ;D ;D
Maybe 5.56 would work - on full auto?
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50 cal. on pigs! ;D You'd have bacon strips flying all over the place! ;D
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m25 talks a bit about his hog hunt. With a nice pic too. ;D
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=3148.90
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Rather than trade the gun, why not get another upper in 7.62X39 or 6.8 ?
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Like Tom said, why not get another upper? You can get all sorts of calibers, heck even a .50 Beowolf if you want, and that is one slamming cartridge.
-Bidah
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Just to add to what Tom and Bidah said.
http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=253
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"Hog hunt". Is that what it's called when it's an hour before close at the Wagon Wheel bar, the beer goggles are thick, and you havent hooked up yet? ;D
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"Hog hunt". Is that what it's called when it's an hour before close at the Wagon Wheel bar, the beer goggles are thick, and you havent hooked up yet? ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6ltTzLMgJQ
;D
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5.56 is fine on hogs and have seen many killed with it. It's all about shot placement and bullet selection (just like the rest of hunting---duh!). Don't mess with the varmint bullets, as they are far too frangible. Pick something like the 60 gr. Nosler Partition and you will be fine.
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"Hog hunt". Is that what it's called when it's an hour before close at the Wagon Wheel bar, the beer goggles are thick, and you havent hooked up yet? ;D
This one is my favorite "Beer Goggles On" song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORqzaOFUCsg
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Heavier Bullet, ,.......Aim Small Miss Small....
Have a back up...JIC
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(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n104/The_AnkLe_BiTeR/DSCN0370.jpg)
the scare I spoke of
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FQ, the AR does work, and is great fun to do hogs with, BUTTT, if I was getting in there amongst them, then No, larger caliber and a .41 mag, or .44 mag or better for backup. I might prefer a .223 AR against a modern bolt action, because hogs can be very tough.. 7.62x39 is a good hog round, if you want to get an upper in that caliber. Running with what you have, the .270 is good medicine if you have good shot placement, but up close, your .44 might be your best friend. Not caliber, but quick action in case of a hog charge. Hogs under 200lbs are not much, but after that, look out.
If you do chose the .223, then get 77 grn bullets and shoot for just behind the ear. It works. I got mine with 55 grainers, but that was at a comfortable distance, at 25 yrds, I would have been pumping the rounds into him Big Time, and worrying.
Go do the hunt, and enjoy, here we call them East Texas Grizzlies.
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M25's right on the money. I kill plenty with my Mini and iron sights. I've never heard of magazine limits for feral hog. Go heavy and if your going to get in with them, on the ground, carry a thirty round mag in your back pocket. The Winchester soft points I use work pretty well, nothing fancy. And we got right in there with them, twenty or so of them once and while most ran the ones that stay didn't do to well after a twenty round mag from the Mini. Whatever you do, just make sure you get out there and kill 'em, as many as you can. ;)
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Having killed many hogs many ways I can say that .223 5.56 is a tad light for confidently putting the hog down unless you have 10,000 hours or more into hog hunting...ooops...that was the other thread.
Yes, you can but you'd better be right on in shot placement. I'd rather go for something in the .30 cal range. If I'm rifle hunting I use my .30-30. I do let my wife use her .243 but she is an amazing shot and with her hunting style she is patient enough to wait for the perfect placement. She killed a small boar and a sow a couple of weeks ago. Broke the sows neck and heart shot the boar. Shooting Hornady bullets. My hunting style with pigs I always end up with the sounder breaking around me after I've stalked within short range and shot the closest eatin' size hog. I want a quick second and third bullet with some punch to them in that case.
As far as .38/.357 it's a tad light from a handgun barrel in my opinion for a full size hog. I shot a pocket piggie for the grill last weekend...hit him solid in the neck from short range with my 6 1/2 " Blackhawk and 158 grain bullet. The little sucker got up. Wasn't going anywhere...but it stood back up! I'm considering a .44 magnum for my hunting handgun now.
When I bow hunt them with my recurve I get close and keep it low and tight to the leg with a super sharp two blade broadhead on a 630 grain arrow from my 57# Morrison. Energy is high from the momentum of the arrow. If I'm successful it's a heart shot. If I'm low it's a miss and if I'm a tad high or back it's a double lung shot. It's fun to sneak into a sounder of feeding hogs and stick one with an arrow. They don't know what's up! All they seem to know is that one pig is now squealing in pain and thrashing in the grass. They run off for a bit and settle back down to feeding. Repeat often as necessary depending on the size of the bbq party.
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"Hog hunt". Is that what it's called when it's an hour before close at the Wagon Wheel bar, the beer goggles are thick, and you havent hooked up yet? ;D
One of my friends called it shooting cripples. Not much of a challenge.
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Having killed many hogs many ways I can say that .223 5.56 is a tad light for confidently putting the hog down unless you have 10,000 hours or more into hog hunting...ooops...that was the other thread.
Yes, you can but you'd better be right on in shot placement. I'd rather go for something in the .30 cal range. If I'm rifle hunting I use my .30-30. I do let my wife use her .243 but she is an amazing shot and with her hunting style she is patient enough to wait for the perfect placement. She killed a small boar and a sow a couple of weeks ago. Broke the sows neck and heart shot the boar. Shooting Hornady bullets. My hunting style with pigs I always end up with the sounder breaking around me after I've stalked within short range and shot the closest eatin' size hog. I want a quick second and third bullet with some punch to them in that case.
As far as .38/.357 it's a tad light from a handgun barrel in my opinion for a full size hog. I shot a pocket piggie for the grill last weekend...hit him solid in the neck from short range with my 6 1/2 " Blackhawk and 158 grain bullet. The little sucker got up. Wasn't going anywhere...but it stood back up! I'm considering a .44 magnum for my hunting handgun now.
When I bow hunt them with my recurve I get close and keep it low and tight to the leg with a super sharp two blade broadhead on a 630 grain arrow from my 57# Morrison. Energy is high from the momentum of the arrow. If I'm successful it's a heart shot. If I'm low it's a miss and if I'm a tad high or back it's a double lung shot. It's fun to sneak into a sounder of feeding hogs and stick one with an arrow. They don't know what's up! All they seem to know is that one pig is now squealing in pain and thrashing in the grass. They run off for a bit and settle back down to feeding. Repeat often as necessary depending on the size of the bbq party.
I meant .357 from a carbine and yes I would prefer the .44 mag. Also as some one mentioned a hand gun back up is a damn good Idea. If auto use a 10mm, revolver I'd go with a .44mag. I usually carry my .45 Redhawk with hunting (hot) loads. (Though I did carry my .357 last time.)
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Gamo Hunter Extreme Air Rifle kills 180 lbs hog:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVX0y2Pcj_s
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Some of those "air rifles" are 50 Cal, and take bear.
http://www.quackenbushairguns.com/index.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXY0KcHnOd0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9WEsILY92o
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That was commonly called the 'deer slayer'. Last time I saw one they wanted 500.
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Does the job on piggy's to! That's what I paid for mine :(, but it came immaculate in its original box when I got it last year (things over 20 years old).
Tom, 510 grain bullets!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PEn98XKIc8&feature=related
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Yes, as long as it's on FULL AUTO!
Richard
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Yes, as long as it's on FULL AUTO!
Richard
I got your pulled pork right here! ;D
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Found it! The perfect hog gun. No more discussions of 5.56 or .30 cal, .45 or .44mag, this is what you need to get the job done - especially those 1200# feral hogs that show up in the news periodically.
http://securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2200/2289.htm (http://securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2200/2289.htm)
For comparison, here is the round . . .
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As someone put it - .95 caliber - because a 100 caliber would just be wrong!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
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I'll take a .45-70 thank you! ;D
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For many, many years the biggest bear killed in the whole world was shot by an old woman with a bolt action .22 rimfire (single shot I believe!). There are always one chance in a million shots (she happend to be able to get VERY close to his temple for the first shot! And only did it for fear of her life), and there are always people who should be shot themselves for using underpowered weapons just to prove a point, or show off. They lead to lost game, animals suffering horribly, and running off to die days later. Of course they never talk about all the times THAT happened! ::) Anytime people brag about making kills with underpowered weapons it tells me one thing. "A$$HO#@! Who will have his day in hell." Just keep bragging. ::)
If your caught in a bad situation and have to use an underpowered weapon... DO IT! But if you have an option, consider what your doing, and that WE WILL ALL ANSWER FOR OUR ACTIONS ONE DAY!
Animals know no right from wrong. People DO, and still often conscously make the wrong choice. Who really deserves to suffer?
Whew! Were did that come from? Rant over...
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Not everyone needs to "compensate" with bigger bullets.
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Who was it bragging about a 2inch .22 for SD ?
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"Bragging"?????
I'm still waiting for the three who "know it all, and instist I'm wrong" to volunteer to take 7 rounds in the face to prove it wont work... Takers??? ;D Oh... Must have just been all talk. ::)
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"Bragging"?????
I'm still waiting for the three who "know it all, and instist I'm wrong" to volunteer to take 7 rounds in the face to prove it wont work... Takers??? ;D Oh... Must have just been all talk. ::)
That just show's your immaturity. No one with any sense would be willing to take so much as an Air Soft pellet in the face.
Rather than talking stupid trash here why don't you try to compensate with this;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penis_enlargement
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Posted from your "favorites" list I'll guess. ::)
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No I had to Google Badgersmilk to find that. If you find a way to get rid of excess length please send me the link, it's getting sore from dragging on the ground.
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No I had to Google Badgersmilk to find that. If you find a way to get rid of excess length please send me the link, it's getting sore from dragging on the ground.
I use mine as a kickstand. ;D
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No I had to Google Badgersmilk to find that. If you find a way to get rid of excess length please send me the link, it's getting sore from dragging on the ground.
That would be found in the tactical knives thread Tom. ;D
FQ13
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Since we drifted here, I guess I will share this.....
Content Warning (Frequent use of the word D**k)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1BFmA1Fwzc
*Listen to the whole thing.... its hilarious.
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6.8spc upper.