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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Badgersmilk on September 30, 2009, 10:12:11 AM
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You guys are watching this right? He's in the woods alone for three months. He DOES have gear though. Normal camping equipment (minus tent), including a 12 gauge mossberg, 10/22, canoe that he's turned over and is now afraid of ;D, and a fishing rod. Very interesting show! I think its the second episode that'll be on tonight at 9:00.
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/alone-in-the-wild
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DVR now set, thanks
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Yup, it will be interesting to see if he makes it 3 months.
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You've gotta watch the week 3 video's at least (each tv episode covers a few weeks, and this has already aired).
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/alone-in-the-wild-week-3-videos
He never claimed to be an expert, and is learning a lot as he goes. Good stuff!
Carrying a 10/22, 12 gauge, and bear spray... While all nice to have! To lighten the load I think I'd have only taken the 12ga., with various ammo (preferably one with a 23-26" barrel, and removeable chokes). :-\
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He ends up having to tap out:
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/08/27/reality-tv-take-note-carrying-a-shotgun-does-not-make-you-a-survival-expert/
But hopes for an epic three-month contest between man and nature were dashed when adventurer Ed Wardle failed to go the distance.
Seven weeks after striding out into the rugged forests of western Canada armed with a rifle and a fishing rod, Mr Wardle had to be airlifted back to civilisation suffering from starvation.
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He ends up having to tap out:
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/08/27/reality-tv-take-note-carrying-a-shotgun-does-not-make-you-a-survival-expert/
Bingo!!
Still interesting to watch and see what mistakes he makes and what he does right.
Bear Grylls, Les Stroud any survival info you can get from these shows are worth taking note of.
And survilval blog with even more info ;D
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Bingo!!
Still interesting to watch and see what mistakes he makes and what he does right.
Bear Grylls, Les Stroud any survival info you can get from these shows are worth taking note of.
And survilval blog with even more info ;D
Bear Grylls is a fake, BTW
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I have the most respect for Les Stroud. SELF-FILMING is hard work in good conditions, to do it in a survival situation is borderline INSANE.
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I have the most respect for Les Stroud. SELF-FILMING is hard work in good conditions, to do it in a survival situation is borderline INSANE.
Yes indeed. When ever I watch and see him films himself walking across an open landscape I think of how insane it would drive me knowing that he has to walk all the way back to get his camera and then walk the same distance again.
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Yes indeed. When ever I watch and see him films himself walking across an open landscape I think of how insane it would drive me knowing that he has to walk all the way back to get his camera and then walk the same distance again.
Les is one of the producers on Out of the Wild.
http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/out-of-the-wild/out-of-the-wild.html
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Bear Grylls is a fake, BTW
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/07/28/man-vs-wild-under-investigation/
Discovery Channel is re-evaluating one of its most popular series, “Man vs. Wild,” after allegations surfaced that its survival-expert host was bunking in motels when he was supposed to be braving the great outdoors.
The network issued a statement Monday in response to an investigation launched by British television network Channel 4, which carries the program under the title “Born Survivor: Bear Grylls.” Channel 4 confirmed that host Bear Grylls had partaken of indoor accommodations on at least two occasions when his series had depicted him spending the night in the wild.
“Discovery Communications has learned that isolated elements of the ‘Man vs. Wild’ show in some episodes were not natural to the environment, and that for health and safety concerns the crew and host received some survival assistance while in the field,” the network said in a statement.
But among the charges made against Grylls is that a raft he is depicted as having built himself actually was constructed and then disassembled by consultants to the show in order for the host to put it together. In another episode, Grylls happens upon what are referred to as wild horses that were said to be brought in from a trekking station.
Must see video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UpSlpvb1is
More boring video about fake lava here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBmhNA7JME4
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blhdGgOZOuc&NR=1
Survival on protein shake anyone? Warning....content may not be suitable for "anyone".
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Sounds like they are both "piles of bear feces". ::)
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Yum. :-X :-X :-X
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOvF4n7-5F4
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The camel poo juice... Don't give McDonalds menu idea's! :( "McCapoochino"
I figured Bear was a phoney, but didnt know it was as bad as all this! Whatta looser. :(
As far as I can tell the guy in Alone in the Wild is for real. Especially if you watch the short video's on their site it's apparent he's just not experienced enough for three months out there. Good learning experience for him and us I guess!
It was pretty funny when he said. "Oh, look at the cute porcupine. Much to pretty to shoot the little guy"... Then the very next day he's back pulling the trigger on him! ;D An empty belly sure changes your outlook! ;D ;D ;D (I'd have shot the moose too!)
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Re: 3 months in the wilderness.....
If you look at the Nat Geo page they actually advertise it as "50 days"
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Re: 3 months in the wilderness.....
If you look at the Nat Geo page they actually advertise it as "50 days"
Truth in advertising. That is how long he actually lasted....
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Still very impressive for being a newb! I think he should have stayed at his first camp site and not burnt up all his body fat hiking & building additional shelters. He also should have had those snare's out the first night in the woods! But then again I'm not saying I'd make it any longer than him. So it's just talk till we try. :-\
I like Les, and he does a MUCH better job filming his outings, but a week or two just isnt that big a deal. Often times I would'nt call what he does "surviving" as much as "enduring" the wild. It'd be outstanding if Les were to a three month trip! I'm pretty sure he'd make it, and I'm very sure there'd be a LOT to learn from it!
+100 on the hard core commitment Les has to be able to leave camera's, then go back after them so he can get good footage!!!
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How many Vietnam Vet's do you think sent Ed mail about keeping his feet dry, and having medicated foot powder? ;D
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He say's here he's going for three months... Just doesnt tuff it out. Good effort though!!!
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With Les its not really a survival situation either. He and a team of people go in ahead of time and scout everything out for about a week or so -- He showed that in one of the "behind the scenes" episodes he did.
Basically, he goes into a predetermined area with other survival experts and locals ahead of time to learn to live in that very specific area. They teach him to identify the local edible plants, where all the sources of water are, where shelter can be found, and what can be used to his advantage in that very specific area. Basically they are removing as many variables from the equation as possible and educating him as much possible about the specifics of that location before he goes in and starts filming. He also has a support team camped a couple of miles away from him at all times.... in one episode they had to do a helicopter extraction for the entire crew because of some drastic weather changes.
If you think he is lost and making it up as he goes, you are mistaken. Its really nothing more then an extended camping trip where he is filming and teaching survival techniques as he goes.
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CHRIST! Next thing your gonna say the Easter Bunny is a fake too! :(
I'm still watch'n Ed tonight. :P
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If you think he is lost and making it up as he goes, you are mistaken. Its really nothing more then an extended camping trip where he is filming and teaching survival techniques as he goes.
Fair enough. For a week all you need is shelter and water.
It is the self-filming plus managing and lugging the 60+ pounds of gear that I find the most impressive.
And that he was straight up about the behind the scenes.
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Fair enough. For a week all you need is shelter and water.
It is the self-filming plus managing and lugging the 60+ pounds of gear that I find the most impressive.
And that he was straight up about the behind the scenes.
I'm not bashing the guy -- I watch the show all the time and think it is great. I am just pointing out that you have to remember that they are making a TV show.... much like all Reality TV, its always more TV then it is reality.
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With the way Ed was burning calories doing that hike, even if he had caught a rabbit, or a fish, he'd need probably four of each a day PLUS the plants to compensate. An average rabbit's good for like 600 calories. ONE MRE = 5,000+! CALORIE / ENERGY MANAGMENT!
KEEP YOUR FEET DRY! If your crippled with infected soar's, your just worm food waiting to happen... "Worms gotta eat to" ;D
And those are 3/32" snares for stuff like coyote, fox, badgers. You want 1/32" snares for rabbits. You cant keep snares in a mesh bag with your gear, picking up all kinds of YOUR scent. Should have packed them in a air-tight baggy with some rubber gloves.
Signed, Armchair Quarterback ;D
I'd love to do his trip! Probably like someone else there for company. And STILL not make it 90 days! ;)
Ed made mistakes, but it HAD to be real!
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http://www.scribd.com/doc/3478144/Six-Primitive-Traps-for-Catching-Food-in-the-Woods
Flawed pictures, but gets the idea accross. Type "Army Survival" in the search window while your there.
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If you really want to see how tough you are....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Hartwell
I was weathered in camp with a couple of bush pilots in BC and they brought this up. It was the largest search and rescue in Canadian history at that time. The pilots started calling nurses emergency rations after the incident.
The Wikipedia version is a lot more PC than what I heard from them. Hartwell had tried to fly around a long line of snow squalls and had run out of fuel. There was several feet of snow on the ground but they could a large lake (Slave Lake?) from the crash site. After 2 weeks, Hartwell tried to get the teenager to go down to the lake for help but he would only go so far and then return.
The RCMP found the crash site after calling off the search by accident.
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If you really want to see how tough you are....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Hartwell
I was weathered in camp with a couple of bush pilots in BC and they brought this up. It was the largest search and rescue in Canadian history at that time. The pilots started calling nurses emergency rations after the incident.
The Wikipedia version is a lot more PC than what I heard from them. Hartwell had tried to fly around a long line of snow squalls and had run out of fuel. There was several feet of snow on the ground but they could see a large lake (Slave Lake?) from the crash site. After 2 weeks, Hartwell tried to get the teenager to go down to the lake for help but he would only go so far and then return.
The RCMP found the crash site by accident after calling off the search .
Fixed.
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With the way Ed was burning calories doing that hike, even if he had caught a rabbit, or a fish, he'd need probably four of each a day PLUS the plants to compensate. An average rabbit's good for like 600 calories. ONE MRE = 5,000+! CALORIE / ENERGY MANAGMENT!
"Rabbit starvation, also referred to as protein poisoning, is the form of acute malnutrition caused by excess consumption of any lean meat (e.g. rabbit) coupled with a lack of other sources of nutrients usually in combination with other stressors, such as severe cold or dry environment. Symptoms include diarrhea, headache, fatigue, low blood pressure and heart rate, and a vague discomfort and hunger that can only be satisfied by consumption of fat or carbohydrates."
Better find another alternate food source....
Stroud does a good job, I enjoy his show too. I've been aware that he's had assistance from early on in the episodes. Once he was rescued from a local tribe due to being stalked by a black panther, and not the Chicago kind! ;D
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I'd really like to see Ed go out again with his new found experience. Somewhere else though, Alaska? With Sara as his partner! ;D ;D
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"Rabbit starvation, also referred to as protein poisoning, is the form of acute malnutrition caused by excess consumption of any lean meat (e.g. rabbit) coupled with a lack of other sources of nutrients usually in combination with other stressors, such as severe cold or dry environment. Symptoms include diarrhea, headache, fatigue, low blood pressure and heart rate, and a vague discomfort and hunger that can only be satisfied by consumption of fat or carbohydrates."
Better find another alternate food source....
Stroud does a good job, I enjoy his show too. I've been aware that he's had assistance from early on in the episodes. Once he was rescued from a local tribe due to being stalked by a black panther, and not the Chicago kind! ;D
Also, as a side note on the high protein diet, if you are taking in excessively high amounts of protein, you need even higher amounts of water to flush the kidneys. My doctor had me on a protein diet during physical therapy to help build up my muscle strength and he warned me of this. Something in the protein builds up in the kidneys and you need the extra water to keep them from shutting down. I don't remember how long it would take.
I do understand that in a 'survival at all cost' situation, that is the last thing you would be worrying about, but just wanted to throw it out there.
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Also, as a side note on the high protein diet, if you are taking in excessively high amounts of protein, you need even higher amounts of water to flush the kidneys. My doctor had me on a protein diet during physical therapy to help build up my muscle strength and he warned me of this. Something in the protein builds up in the kidneys and you need the extra water to keep them from shutting down. I don't remember how long it would take.
I do understand that in a 'survival at all cost' situation, that is the last thing you would be worrying about, but just wanted to throw it out there.
Thanks for posting that, I have to argue with your closing comment though.
" in a 'survival at all cost' situation," having your kidneys shut down would constitute a FAIL.
Kind of like freezing to death on a survival course.
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Thanks for posting that, I have to argue with your closing comment though.
" in a 'survival at all cost' situation," having your kidneys shut down would constitute a FAIL.
Kind of like freezing to death on a survival course.
I thought about revising it, but I was originally thinking of 'survival' in the short term of a few days......I think it takes a while for the protein to effect the kidneys.....I'll check and get back.
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It seems to be a long-term issue when it is the only contributing factor, however, some other factors can speed it up such as diabetes and high blood pressure..
There are three major damage mechanisms by which progressive deterioration of the Kidneys occurs.
The first is by direct damage of the fine capilaries by the high Glucose levels associated with Diabetes and with Hyperinsulinemia. The glucose directly causes an increased permeability and the capillaries leak and fail to perform their filtering action. Severe and extensive damage to these fine capilliaries is thought to be irreversable at this time.
A leading cause of Renal Failure for the Hyperinsulinemic patient is Renal Thrombosis (blood clotting in the Renal vein).
The high levels of Insulin in the blood directly cause Atherosclerosis of the Renal artery. This mechanism is discussed on our Atherosclerosis page.
A related complicating factor is caused by the high levels of dietary protein to which many sufferers from Diabetes and Hyperinsulinemia resort. This protein, when it is metabolized, results in high levels of Ammonia . Chronic high levels of Ammonia, mostly changed into Urea by the Liver, nevertheless directly damage the fine capillaries. Also there are known other negative effects in the tubular basement membranes of the Kidneys that are directly caused by certain proteins.
Unless normal blood Glucose levels can be maintained without resorting to a high protein diet, the progress of Hyperinsulinemia and its related Type II diabetes invariably leads to Renal (Kidney) failure and the need for Dialysis. In our special report Insulin: Our Silent Killer we thoroughly discuss the dietary factors that are especially important to the diabetic. This High Protein-Kidney Damage relationship is potentially one of the most important to the recovering diabetic. During the recovery process, which may last for several months, it isn't smart to wreck the Kidneys by resorting to a high protein diet. This is uniquely important because, while much of the damage done by Type II diabetes and Hyperinsulinemia is reversable, all of it is not. In particular when the basement membranes of the Kidneys are destroyed, the destruction is currently thought to be irreversable.
http://www.healingmatters.com/kidney.htm
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I'm not sure where only eathing rabbits came up. I'm thinking rabbits, squirrels, and fish, along with berries, leaves, bark, roots,, cat tails (the plant ;)), and the like make a pretty rounded diet. :-\ And you'd be fine long term. I've known plenty of people who ate nothing but tuna, with VERY little to supliment it for weeks and weeks to loose weight when we were wrestling in high school. SUPER low carb.'s!
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Fish has oil (fat) Rabbit is to lean, squirrel I don't know about.
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The rabbit's and squirrel I've had were very different types of meat, but both "red", so I'd guess the same result would come of eating only either of them. In another thread I posted about "SAS Survival Guide" being an excellent book. In it he teaches all the types of things there are to eat in the woods. "other than ignorance of it being there, there is no excuse for starvation in the woods with the bounty that's all around you.". He teaches about things to eat all over the world, anytime of year, that'll keep you alive long term. I really believe ANYBODY could survive ED's situation with enough mental fortitude, and that book.
There's so much to learn and remember in there you (or at least I) need to re-read it once a year or so. Gonna start through it again this weekend.
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Tonight at nine. He's starving to the point he starts talking to bug's, and halucinating. I think this is where they pull him out.
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It's 8:30! You still got time to go get some beer and chips and watch this guy starve! ;D
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BM, Your a real a$$hole.
But at times like this your MY kind of a$$hole ;D
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BM, Your a real a$$hole.
But at times like this your MY kind of a$$hole ;D
Tom is gay!
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Tom is gay!
Jelous! :P