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Flying Dragon Productions ( Michael Bane ) => Michael Bane on the Radio => Topic started by: Funseeker on September 30, 2009, 10:44:00 AM
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How rough is it shooting .44 Special out of that little beast? Albeit with a MagnaPort job. I suffer from the typical American predisposition to bigger is better. I've considered one for as a ccw weapon candidate, but the recoil issue concerns me. And, as I haven't found anybody who has one, I haven't been able to shoot it myself. You thought's.
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I owned one and I recommend it. Its not bad, but its all subjective to what you think is "rough"
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I owned one and I recommend it. Its not bad, but its all subjective to what you think is "rough"
2HOW, I've shot .357's. .40's, 9 mm, .45's and a "lonnng" time a go a .44 Mag. So a "sort'a kinda like" comparison for me is a good place to start. One of my main concerns is if my girlfriend has to use the weapon, would firing one round place her posterior firmly on "Terra Firma" thus negating any follow-up shots....... :o
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It thumps you, but with 200-gr self-defense loads like the Winchester SilverTip, I've never found it to be that objectionable (compared to, say, a 300-grain .454 hunting load out of a Ruger Alaskan. If you reload, you can crank out a bunch of .44 Russian level loads and practice with the thing all day long...
Michael B
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I have two Charter Arms Bulldogs in .44 Special and have had no trouble shooting either of them. Yes, they bounce a little but not at all unmanageable or uncomfortable. I have shot a scandium frame S&W in .357 and that was best desecribed as painful! The Charter does not come close to this. I got three of five shots off with the little and very light .357 and had to quit, and I am no stranger to shooting or recoil. I shoot .45 Colt in CAS as well as some IDPA with a .44 Special. Stick with some mild loads when plinking and remember you will not even notice factory defensive loads if you are in a situation where you need to use them. The rubber grips wrap around the backstrap of the gun and absorb a good bit of recoil. Be aware though Charter now uses a plastic grip frame for their guns. I found I did not like this when I purchased my second one and ordered a steel one from gunparts.com to replace the plastic.
Hope this helps. Enjoy! They are great little guns!
Wheelgun
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I'll check out the grip frame issue. That concerns me. But I can assure you, a set of Crimson Trace grips would be on the weapon with in hours of it's purchase (well at least within 10 days here in Calif.). Insofar as the "thump" is concerned, I'll look at the .44 Russian loads. (I just didn't want her bringing down a low flying Cessna.) As long a it's around the =/< .357 level I think it will be tolerable. And your right, in a critical incident, a 105 Howitzer would seem like a .22 given the adrenalin dump.
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I've been on the prowl for a CCW revolver 3", leaning towards 44 mag/spl format. Model 29(3") on gunbroker for $900. Never shot bulldog but size & reliability seems to be the right set up. I have DPX 200gr @ 900 fps and Corbon 165 gr @ 1050 fps, all in line or better than the vaunted 45 acp. I guess I need to find a bulldog for a trial run. Dave
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I've been on the prowl for a CCW revolver 3", leaning towards 44 mag/spl format. Model 29(3") on gunbroker for $900. Never shot bulldog but size & reliability seems to be the right set up. I have DPX 200gr @ 900 fps and Corbon 165 gr @ 1050 fps, all in line or better than the vaunted 45 acp. I guess I need to find a bulldog for a trial run. Dave
If you are looking for a ccw pistol, why go with a Large frame revolver and then a 3 inch barrel, The cylinder and grip are the parts that are hard to conceal.
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2HOW, I've shot .357's. .40's, 9 mm, .45's and a "lonnng" time a go a .44 Mag. So a "sort'a kinda like" comparison for me is a good place to start. One of my main concerns is if my girlfriend has to use the weapon, would firing one round place her posterior firmly on "Terra Firma" thus negating any follow-up shots....... :o
A good friend of mine bought a .44 for his wife and I was there when she shot it, it
was mild and not as stout as my .44 mag or .357. Its actually a very mild round in a large frame revolver. Its been maligned as a weak round , but its a stopper
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I'll check out the grip frame issue. That concerns me. But I can assure you, a set of Crimson Trace grips would be on the weapon with in hours of it's purchase (well at least within 10 days here in Calif.). Insofar as the "thump" is concerned, I'll look at the .44 Russian loads. (I just didn't want her bringing down a low flying Cessna.) As long a it's around the =/< .357 level I think it will be tolerable. And your right, in a critical incident, a 105 Howitzer would seem like a .22 given the adrenalin dump.
Every time I see or hear the word crimson trace I cringe, these people sell confidence, confidence that the average pistol owner has to earn. Lasers are the scourge of the gun industry.
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Every time I see or hear the word crimson trace I cringe, these people sell confidence, confidence that the average pistol owner has to earn. Lasers are the scourge of the gun industry.
That's a prejudiced opinion 2How. It's also not exactly accurate but that's a different matter and if I remember I'll get to it after I cover my FIRST comment.
You are, like the majority of us on this sight, confident of your ability because you have been shooting for years. But the reason we have guns is because we like shooting, we like guns, Oh yeah and self defense. But we are in the MINORITY of gun owners. How many people do you know who own a rifle or shotgun that never comes out of the Closet until deer season ? Most hand gun owners are like that, their "home defense gun" MIGHT go to a basic NRA class, Maybe once to the range, then it goes in the night stand drawer and stays there for 30 years. When something goes crash in the night the owner wakes from a sound sleep and grabs it, remembering that the little end goes away from them but completely forget about anything like sights. When they do confront a threat it's point and pull. they don't have our training or experience to remember sights, trigger control, or anything else.
With something like CT the switch on the grip means they don't have to remember anything, put the red dot on what scares you and pull the trigger (Just like the video games they spend their time on ). It actually makes life safer for their neighbors by decreasing the chance of stray rounds. They SHOULD practice, no argument, the REALITY is that they don't.
My second comment, laser sights allow an EXPERIENCED shooter to make accurate shoots at ranges they previously would not have attempted with short barreled pistols thereby maximizing the pistols performance.
Will you NEED to make a 100 yard shot with a J frame ? Most likely not. Will you be buying the beer if you DO make the shot ?
Again, probably not. ;D
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Well they can make accurate hits at targets and ranges they would never had tried. Thats absurd, lasers are great training tools, but they give a confidence that is mis placed. lasers are at best a crutch and at worst a tell. I have no use for them and any so called expert that says they are good fora carry gun is an idiot.
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2HOW,
Get off the fence and tell us what ya REALLY think!
;D
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Well they can make accurate hits at targets and ranges they would never had tried. Thats absurd, lasers are great training tools, but they give a confidence that is mis placed. lasers are at best a crutch and at worst a tell. I have no use for them and any so called expert that says they are good fora carry gun is an idiot.
2HOW
You just called, among others, Ed Head,(Gunsite ) Clint Smith,(Thunder Ranch ) and Mossad Ayoob (Lethal Force Institute ) idiots. I think you should rethink that.
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2HOW
You just called, among others, Ed Head,(Gunsite ) Clint Smith,(Thunder Ranch ) and Mossad Ayoob (Lethal Force Institute ) idiots. I think you should rethink that.
And me! :( >:( :o :'(
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2HOW
You just called, among others, Ed Head,(Gunsite ) Clint Smith,(Thunder Ranch ) and Mossad Ayoob (Lethal Force Institute ) idiots. I think you should rethink that.
And me! :( >:( :o :'(
And our host.
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I say to each his own on the lasers, but I kinda understand 2HOW's point (to an extent).
I've heard the experts say that a laser is a good thing, and I agree 100%.
They are good low-light/no-light sights for aiming and give target acquisition under duress.
IF the shooter has a solid grasp of fundamentals, then the laser is also valuable tool. It will show your faults concerning trigger control and sight alignment.
It will also show where you miss.
If you routinely jerk the trigger, a laser probably won't help..... it'll just show you the last place the barrel was pointed when the bullet left.
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OK. Since it seems I started this CT mess let me put my two cents in. 2How has some very good points. That said; Yes you must train, as often as possible to maintain your proficiency. (I also train with tape over my sights, too.) CT's are, for me, a tool. And like most tools you find one that works for the problem at hand, and use it.
However, in the scenario as outlined by Tombogan, you could have someone, oh let say my girlfriend, who does not "realllly" enjoy shooting. But she may be called upon in a emergency to use my P-220. And since you fight as you train under stress, she would need to use all the tools she could get her hands on and without thinking about it. Even though she fit's into the "has had some training" group. As for me, not being able to "clearly" see my front sight (even though they are Tritium's) without my tri-focal's. I would trust my judicious use of CT's in that rather dynamic moment, more than futzing with my glasses to get a semi-perfect sight picture. As I said CT are a tool, and they have an off switch as well as finger which when placed outside the trigger guard, can block the beam.....
Gosh, can you just feel the love in the room :-*....... How 'bout those Dodgers', huh :o
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Mee too! Turns out I'm running a special on my opinions today- they're absolutely FREE!
I seem to remember MB stating that he had "Shot the snot" out of the Bulldog and that it was "Incessantly unpleasant", stated in a very loving way.(He has a way with words). I still think that the 44SP is a nice intermediate round for general self defense. As others have stated somewhere here, the loads can be greatly adjusted and you've got a nice diameter- good stopper comparatively speaking, and manageable for the less skilled shooters.
I got my wife a laser grip for one of her S&Ws. When we go shooting she often turns the laser off becuase it's more distracting than anything else. Sometimes she uses it to see what motion her hand is making when she shoots, etc. BUT...in the middle of the night or in a split second situation OR in a situation where taking a stance and setting a proper sight picture could get you killed, you can just point that dot and pull the trigger. THAT could save your life.
Also, if you've already fired a round indoors there's smoke and all- the laser might be the only way to stay on target.
Also, there's been enough silly stuff on tv about them that the dot just might cause an attacker to pause or resign.
They have their place and they are invaluable in particular circumstances.
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And me! :( >:( :o :'(
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, thats great. Just because someone has a sponsor and is gettin paid doesn't make them right. They probably voted for Obama too. Just my .02.
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Back on topic, I have shot 2 .44s the bulldog and a Taurus that was a little bigger. My friend bought the Taurus for his wife It was sweet. The key is grips, rubber grips (without lasers). ;D I bought a laser for my G-22 back in 90. Cost more than the pistol. Molded for the Glock around trigger guard. after 17 years of training and carrying it, I came to the realization they are great for training but bad for carry. Tom has a good point for people who never shoot, they may be ok. Until they don't work. I take back the idiot remark, it was too strong.
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2HOW,
Personally I'm kind of ambivalent about laser sights, I don't get excited about them, nor do I own one yet. But that is due to cost, not because I don't see the utility of them in low light or for shooters with less than 20/20 vision (for example everyone over 40 )