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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: MikeBjerum on October 01, 2009, 11:31:35 AM
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Thankful
The paycheck came today, and it is great to have a job, get paid well, and the checks don't bounce ...
Depressed
I did a little figuring on taxes, and then expanded it ...
Between Federal, State, FICA (figuring that SS and Medicare are more tax than benefit for my fine generation), property as a percentage of my income, and sales based on a third of my income going to taxable purchases over the long term, I found that I am passing 26.95% on to the government in up front visible taxations!
Pissed
Next I started to think about all the hiden taxes we pay for things like fuel; booze; smokes; licenses of all sorts - drivers, business, hunting, fishing, vehicle, etc.; Pittman-Robertson; excise; and the list goes on.
Top all of this with the constant talk of taxing soft drinks to make us quit using them, and increase revenue; taxing health insurance to pay for those that cant afford it ... a list that will get longer as you and I can't afford the tax on it; taxing road use on top of fuel; and more "user fees" for activities that should be well funded already.
Our glorious leaders don't even try and hide things anymore. They just flat out tell us that they are going to increase the existing and create more to bring in more money. Why can't we do the same? And since we can't do the same, how are we supposed to pay for their addictions?
Rant on hold, but far from off >:(
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Don't forget that the death tax that disappears next year will reappear in 2011 at 55% on estates that net over $1 million. That means that many small business' will be destroyed generationally.
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Don't forget user's fees.
Let's see, tax dollars went to buy the land.
Tax dollars went to pay the contractor to build the building.
Tax dollars went to finish the building.
Tax dollars went to equip the building with chairs, desks, artwork, plants and such.
Tax dollars go to pay for heat and a/c, electricity, water, internet - all of the utilities.
Tax dollars go to pay the salaries of the mopes citizens who work there.
Tax dollars go to pay for the websites and paper forms.
Tax dollars go to pay for the metal detectors to scan me to make sure I'm not dangerous to the mopes citizens who work there.
And now, when I'm at the counter and I need my gummint to actually do something, you want me to pay you to do your freakin' job?
WTF? ? ? ? ?
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Wasnt the income tax supposed to be temporary ::)
(http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8347.0;attach=4460;image)
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Remember, "general fund" is where liberal-fascists projects are paid from. User fees are to cover the money no longer drawn from the "general fund". New taxes are to cover losses from the general fund so that general fund monies can be spent on liberal-fascists projects you would never approve.
Now entire police departments are being disbanded in Texas and other state's towns so that the pork can keep on rolling.
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Gee, thanks guys. Not really something I needed to think about today.
I think I need to take a trip to Hardin Montana instead...
-Bidah
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Wasnt the income tax supposed to be temporary ::)
(http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8347.0;attach=4460;image)
Ah yes, and the temporary increase of the MN sales tax to 4% was only temporyary. They didn't lie, because they later "temporarily" raised it to 6%, soon after they allowed counties and municipalities to tack on more (every county added .5%), and now they conned the lemmings into approving a 3/8 % for "nature and the arts."
Our Gov. has been trying to roll back out of control spending; but everytime he holds the line the others allow more fees, and school boards and municipalities raise levies; and everyone blames Gov. Pawlenty ... but you'll all hear about this if he actually makes a run at Pres. BHO's current gig.
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Taxation Without Representation
Seems too have followed Elvis and left the building.
The embedded taxes, passed on to everything we purchase, let alone the Democrats are still considering a VAT (value added tax),
that would just up the current costs of goods sold, can make a headache happen very quickly.
Time for a fair tax.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FairTax
John Linder & Neal Boortz have it pegged; it would work, HOWEVER, it takes power AWAY from Gov't, and does away with the IRS.
Sounds good to us citizens, but politicians haven't been lined up against the wall yet to pass it...
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Liberals have never met a feel good program, measure, or proposition they didn't like. Every one gets a yes vote based on the emotional arguement of "doing the right thing" for whatever interest is asking us to vote them more money. How do we pay for all of this? New fees and taxes.
I work in city government for the fire department. The city spends lots of money for "art in the park" and other stuff in a time when the PD and the FD are running not just short, but the PD's bomb squad, swat team, detectives division have been cut and the FD has two engines on a rotating brownout and we are running understaffed. FD reduced staffing by 12 positions in operations and we are laying off three inspectors. All the while the city is buying property, bailing out local developers, funding BS feel good programs. Our two engines that close on a rotating two day shift schedule are the two newest stations met to close the gaps in response times...every day one of them is closed we have some kind of major incident in the first due area that ends up with a long response time....anyway I'm starting to rant on...
Thankful...yes I still have my job for now.
Depressed...yes...I probably won't have my job in July. But "art in the park" will still be there...
Pissed...yes...the libtards just don't get it and never will.
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Quit bitching, don't you realize that sacrifices have to be made for IMPORTANT things, like Congressional pay raises.
Hey citizen, Learn your place and shut your face. (But keep that wallet open )
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You guys are forgetting that "taxing" doesn't only come in the forms you mentioned. There is also mandatory increases in expense. Such as Minnesota has a 10% rule - all building projects have to have 10% of their budget go to aesthetic purposes. So a new building has to put in a tile floor with a pretty design motif throughout, or any such thing. I'm sure you guys in other states have something like that.
added just to piss you off some more. >:(
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Some of the towns around here are adding a "View Tax" to the Property values. One person wrote to the local paper because his tax bill nearly doubled because he has a view of a mountain . His valuation went from $180,000 to $300,000.
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We battle an issue here with our local municipal utility. Since we are city owned and operated there are no property taxes paid on any infrastructure. Our city council has learned that it can take money from the utility coffers to fund their opperations. Our position as a Utility Commission is that this is taxation of citizens through their utility usage. The city council shrugs if off with lots of lame reasons, but it all comes down to being the only way they can raise revenue with the levy limits the state has imposed. In a town of 2,100 with about 1,200 meters (12k each water and electric) the city is taking about $140,000 or an average of $117 per customer in what I call tax per year.
Our son and his wife have seen their water bill go through the ceiling in their south central Kansas community lately. As we talked I explained to him that it sounds like the city has rolled some bonding into the utilities, and now they have had to raise their charges to pay the debt
We have all kinds of controls and oversight, supposedly, on private business, but who oversees and keeps governement in check.
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Pissed:
My TRIM, sheet, which is the county assessed value of my house went DOWN 15%.
REALLY Pissed:
Coral Springs RAISED Property Taxes 15%
County NO tax increases, City Yes. >:(
Yes I have a Democrat Majority City Council.
Same logic that has Bloomberg wanting the "millionaires tax" in NYC, even though the "millionaires" will just go to CT, or another neighboring state.
Maryland tried it, and revenue went down, due to rich residents LEAVING for Va. Pa. etc,....
DUH!!!
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Pissed:
My TRIM, sheet, which is the county assessed value of my house went DOWN 15%.
REALLY Pissed:
Coral Springs RAISED Property Taxes 15%
County NO tax increases, City Yes. >:(
Yes I have a Democrat Majority City Council.
Same logic that has Bloomberg wanting the "millionaires tax" in NYC, even though the "millionaires" will just go to CT, or another neighboring state.
Maryland tried it, and revenue went down, due to rich residents LEAVING for Va. Pa. etc,....
DUH!!!
I love it when these smarties think they are going to out fox millionaires. Most millionaires are good at making and saving money. Hence, the reason they are millionaires. One of the side benefits of having millions is that you have multiple houses around the country for various reasons. As good a reason as any is that you can change your residence by simply claiming that as your residence and filing as such. In Minnesota all you need to do to change residence from one home to another (assuming you own multiple) is sleep there on New Year's Eve. That is how they determine "homestead" status for taxation.