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Member Section => Tactical Rifle & Carbine => Topic started by: Timothy on October 04, 2009, 02:21:24 PM
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GSG-5 Range Review
Ill try and be objective, sometimes thats not easy.
First time with this little make believe black rifle. I dont know much about AR type guns but this one is NOT one of those!
Started off well with about twenty rounds of high velocity Federal .22 LR, No problems with function, yet. The rounds were at least twenty five years old, been sitting in my cases for years from back in my High Standard bulls-eye days. Cycled fine but it was a clean chamber. The little rifle handles well, decent balance with a rather stiff but predictable trigger break and a long reset. Not really any noticeable recoil and follow up rapid fire shots are easy to place on a 6 target at fifty yards. I would recommend high velocity ammunition if I were shooting it regularly.
Went through another thirty of forty rounds of Remington Target rounds and had several cycling problems because (I think) I was resting the magazine on the bench, once I kept it off the bench, it seemed to cycle fine. I proceeded to sight the little bug in with the rotating peep that it comes equipped with. I found the age old notch rear position and a level steady hold on the center of a 2 bulls eye produced the best results for me. The other three are progressively smaller peep holes down to about 1/16 diameter. Since I cant see for shite, the notch works and its what Im most used too. Shooting accuracy was pretty good and the right shooter is probably capable of sub 2 MOA groups at fifty yards or about 1. Im just not that guy! I was able to achieve a couple of good groups when I really gave it a good effort.
Took a little break because the stock was loosened up and needed to be retightened. After tightening, it didnt seem to stop wiggling.
Checked the function, loaded some mags and proceeded to check my sight picture before shooting my Postal Match targets, ran one ten round mag through and the front sight blade fell out of its slot, lost the pin from wiggling loose or something. Tried to shoot a few targets without a front blade but thats like throwing rocks with this little gun, hit the paper but not much else. After finding a piece of a adhesive price tag on the floor of the car, I taped the blade back on the gun and managed to shoot one decent target.
Impressions? Its a cheaply made, overly expensive, pretty accurate little rifle that would be fine if it didnt need constant tightening of this screw or that nut. The magazines are tough to load and were restricted to the ten rounder which means its the stock mag with a block installed to take up the slack. Im not sure but the mags are probably proprietary and expensive. It has a faux suppressor on the barrel that looks rather silly but after all, its designed after a REAL rifle of some sort so kids feel TactiCOOL or something. It came loose during my shoot and I didnt have the tools to tighten it up. There is really no where to place your support hand on the fore end, its a bit short so I had the tendency to hold the fake suppressor.
Final thoughts, though American Rifleman liked this little rifle, Ill take a pass and buy two Rugers and a Savage for the price of this one rifle alone. My SIL bought this because of his shiny penny problem but over the long haul, its going to end up belonging to his little brother for chipmunk assassinations!
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Thanks Tim, been wondering about them.
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I'm gonna run out and buy 2.
;D
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Thanks for the report Tim. Sounds like a great chipmunk gun ;)
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Good review! You have no doubt saved someone some money. They are expensive, and because of that they should function flawlessly. There is no excuse for things loosening up like that, especially on a rimfire. Someone should tell GSG about Loc-Tite. Bill T.
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Good review! You have no doubt saved someone some money. They are expensive, and because of that they should function flawlessly. There is no excuse for things loosening up like that, especially on a rimfire. Someone should tell GSG about Loc-Tite. Bill T.
Bill,
I spoke with the SIL about the stock problem and he said that it needs to be tightened from both sides. I didn't realize it at the time. The stock is designed to be removable for whatever reason, maybe GSG is considering a different stock design in the future. Regardless, it doesn't change my opinion of the gun.
I carry a few tools in my range bag, screw drivers, nut drivers and a few allens for my 1911 trigger and sights but I shouldn't have to carry my Kennedy box in the trunk to do major repair work on a firearm at the range.
It was fun to shoot while it was shooting! ;)
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I bought one a little over year ago and i cant put it down. I use CCI mini mags,stingers, and velocitors and accuracy is dead bang.
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Bill,
I spoke with the SIL about the stock problem and he said that it needs to be tightened from both sides. I didn't realize it at the time. The stock is designed to be removable for whatever reason, maybe GSG is considering a different stock design in the future. Regardless, it doesn't change my opinion of the gun.
I carry a few tools in my range bag, screw drivers, nut drivers and a few allens for my 1911 trigger and sights but I shouldn't have to carry my Kennedy box in the trunk to do major repair work on a firearm at the range.
It was fun to shoot while it was shooting! ;)
Removing the stock is how you field strip it. It is a typical H&K/ G3 design, except that instead of push pins it has screws, unscrew them, pull off the stock, and then the trigger mechanism rotates forward and off, and the bolt etc. slide out the rear of the receiver.
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Why would anyone spend the money on a want to be when you can buy a conversion and use your own rifle ? Cheaper too.
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Because spending the $500 is still better than having to deal with Ciener ?
If he DOES make a conversion for the MP 5.
Kilopaparomeo has a review of one Ciener conversion here
http://gunrightsradio.com/forums2/index.php/topic,2644.0.html
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I hate Ciener, i hate them so much i want to plant his crappy conversion where the sun dont shine side ways. I hate that POS conversion it never worked. I tried to contact them with no results. F them . >:(
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Ciener says the same about you. His attitude is "if you don't like it, don't buy it."
So I won't.
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Because spending the $500 is still better than having to deal with Ciener ?
Is Ciener difficult to deal with? I had heard his conversions were of very high quality??????? Bill T.
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Is Ciener difficult to deal with? I had heard his conversions were of very high quality??????? Bill T.
http://gunrightsradio.com/forums2/index.php/topic,2644.0.html
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I shot this target at 50 yards with my GSG5 using mini mags. Its the only gun i can shoot right now with my banged up shoulder in all.
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Hey Mauserman, How much longer before you can get back to shooting bigger stuff ?
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4 more weeks at least. :(
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Good luck, don't rush it or you will mess it up worse.
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To late, i tried to shoot my 336 and it hurt so much it made me tear right up. The pinched nerve is what hurts, its like getting kicked in the nuts with a steel toe boot. Now im falling behind on my training.
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Hey Guys,
Do you think this gun would be a decent home defense gun? And someone, I think its mauserman, has the zombie go to guy comment to go with their statements, this question is for you. Do you think this would be a good zombie weapon if you had really good aim lol? It looks like a pretty fun gun for target shooting and small game.
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I don't know, but maybe you should get one.
Just in case. ;D
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I think the gsg5 would be great zombie zapper. I tend to only use cci mini mags it and with my mini red dot head shot are a snap. Zombies beware the gsg5 is coming. ;D
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Since this thread popped back up....an update.
My SIL just peddled his GSG-5 a few weeks ago on consignment after sending it back in for some warranty work. He got tired of it and bought a NIB Remington 700 Bull barreled .308 instead. I think he got rid of his Savage .243 as well so the Remy cost him zippo!
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I don't know if my CMMG conversion is a Ciener, but it works crappy with bulk box Remington ammo. A bit better with Federal and flawlessly with mini-mags. Dollar wise, I wish it was the other way around.
My middle son has the GSG-5 and it's OK. I like my conversion because I run an M4-2000 on the end and it's really quiet that way.
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I have about 3,500 rounds through my gsg5 with out a hick up. I did have an issue with gsg mag made by promag but the OE mags work flawlessly.
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Huh. We have a first anniversary edition GSG and haven't had any feeding issues ot screws loosening on it, and it has had about 300 rounds through it. There have been a couple jams but no more than my ruger. Where can I get 2 rugers and a savage for 400 bucks?!?? Cause I am in need of a blued 10/22 for a new project rifle.
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HAHAHA! Thanks guys I may just have to go and pick one up. Sounds like it would be a pretty fun little rifle and a def addition for my Zombie weapons
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ATF has pulled these and banned the fake supressor. Beware.
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Good advice 2how. Even if its stupid its still the law. I read this on another site, and ATF is not noted for their sense of humor. I would hope existing models are granfathered in, but who knows? I would sure as hell find out before selling it on a site ike gunbroker or at a gun show. Its a stupid thing to get in trouble over. >:( Oh wait, its not stupid at all. You see, if it looks like a suppressor people might think the bullets are quieter, thus making it effective. ::) ::) ::)
FQ13
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I cant believe that anyone would think the can is fuctional. The only thing it does is cover up the barrel making it cooler looking.
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I cant believe that anyone would think the can is fuctional. The only thing it does is cover up the barrel making it cooler looking.
Tell it to Phil who can't legaly buy a slingshot with a wrist brace. Or tell TW why he can own a saiga, and a thirty round mag for it, but can't legally combine the two until he exchanges x number of foriegn parts for functionally equivelent US made ones. No one said the law has to be within spitting distance of logic. And so it goes.
FQ13
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If it is a GSG-5 SD I hope you have checked with ATI to see if it is part of the BATFE recall.
On January 2010 American Tactical Imports Inc received official notification from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and explosives that the original barrel shroud (aka: fake suppressor) supplied with your GSG 5 SD model must be replaced. It has been determined that this shroud is regulated under the National Firearms Act. American Tactical will provide a replacement shroud at no charge for each GSG 5 SD model sold or currently in inventory.
Consumers in possession of a GSG 5 SD model with the original shroud in place on the firearm are now in violation of the NFA. To avoid continued violation of the NFA, ATI asks that all persons in possession obtain a replacement shroud as soon as possible. We anticipate arrival of the new shrouds to begin by the middle of February 2010.
http://dealer.americantactical.us/gsg-recall
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Are the "new ones" any louder? Bill T.
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Well my gun is safe. ;D
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Its weird because there are still a lot for sale on gunbroker.com I am supprised if there was a huge problem that the ATF would have everyone pull their guns off of the site. Unless they made a model after they made them change the supresser.