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Member Section => Tactical Rifle & Carbine => Topic started by: tranefan on October 07, 2009, 09:35:52 PM
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Greetings. I picked up my carbine a couple of weeks ago at the C&E Gun Show in Hickory, NC. It is stamped Inland on both the receiver and the barrel along with a date of 1-44. The serial # prefix is 493. The stock is from an M-2.
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The below picture shows the result of my first trip to the range with my carbine. As you can see I ran 5 strings of ten through it. The max distance at the indoor range is 25 yds which is what I took the target out to. I obviously have work to do but I guess it's not bad for a first time shooting an M-1 carbine. I did have 3 or 4 FTF (each time it was either the last or next to last round)and I'm pretty sure it was due to a weak magazine spring. I plan on getting a couple of new magazines soon so I hope that the issue will be corrected.
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You picked up a fine rifle there. The M-1 carbine may not be "tactical" but it served several hundred thousand soldiers well in three wars. It is not a long range weapon but it will do the task it was designed for very well.
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Its not a carbine. It is a very accurate and large pistol. Thats all it was meant to be. Like the Hi-point 9mm, its great for home defense. Personally, I'd spend less time shooting at 25 yards and more shooting at 25 feet. That what it was designed for and where you are most likely to use it. Its a cool gun with a lot of history and one that I would thow behind my truck seat or keep by the bed side and be happy it was there. Just my .02.
FQ13
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I like the M1 Carbine too.
I carried an M2 in combat in Vietnam. I think it was a good weapon, better than the AR 15 the FAC had in those days. As a former combat infantryman. I think you have a very nice tactical carbine there. One of our light weapons sergeants claimed the .30 M1 Carbine was good to 300 meters. Two of our RFP companies only had M1 Carbines and a few Thompsons. They did OK and held up their end of the fight. I should say that I was there '65 to '66.
I shoot my M1 Carbines regularly at 100 meters, not MOA but good in the black.
Good on ya.
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It's better than "tactical"....it's PROVEN!.... 8)
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Compact, light weight, semi-auto, it served tens of thousands of troops in World War II... Tactical.
Short barrel and overall length, barrel band... Carbine.
GREAT rabbit gun (what my dad uses his for). MANY accesories available. Have fun with it! ;D
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I have one myself and wouldn't trade it for nothin', great little gun and a blast to shoot!
It will get the job done, get some defensive rounds for it and you are all set.
http://www.choatestocks.com/PGRifleStock.html
This is an option if you don't want to damage your wood stock, I think they make a picatiny rail upper handguard to mount optics (red dot).
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Would love to own one of these some day for the history and nostalgia of the firearm. But I never thought about it being a home defense weapon till FQ13 mentioned it. The recoil would be light and my wife would be able to handle it easily in a home defense situation. May have to start shopping again and I do like the .30 round. Enjoy tranefan and nice purchase. ;)
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I have grandpa's old m1 carbine and i have no complaints. He told me how many times that carbine saved his life on Guam and Iwo Jima. I have it in my safe along side his S&W vitory model .38 spl. I shoot the M1 once in a great while and find it easy to shoot and is accurate enough to do its job. :D
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I have grandpa's old m1 carbine and i have no complaints. He told me how many times that carbine saved his life on Guam and Iwo Jima. I have it in my safe along side his S&W vitory model .38 spl. I shoot the M1 once in a great while and find it easy to shoot and is accurate enough to do its job. :D
I'd give anything to find my Grandpa's M-1 carbine he carried on Okwinowa. It would great to have partly because I have the Flag that was flown over Indiana's Capitol Building in his honor.
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I have a '43 Saginaw SG model, shoots very nicely, but sadly has become something of a safe queen and is on its way out if I can find a buyer.
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How much they get ya for?
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Has anyone handled or shot the new Kahr Arms version? Bill T.
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I've got an IBM model. Bought it for the uniqueness as I was working in the computer industry at the time. Unfortunately, it is an "import" so has "blue star" stamped into the barrel. I might fill that with silver solder and refinish the barrel some day. Shoots fine. I refinished the stock. Took of layers and layers of not only wax, but what I suspect was brown shoe polish, off the stock. Sanded out the "dings". I might take it out tomorrow along with my Camp 9 and just have "carbine day" at the range.
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Nice looking rifle you picked up.
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These little rifles were tactical, before tactical was cool. Tactical is how it's used, not what it looks like.
Not only bunny rabbits, but lots of dead Japanese, Korean, Chinese and a few Vietnamese have assumed room temperature from the business end of them. My dad was issued one in WW2 (Infantry HQ, First Sgt., Italy & Central Europe) but traded it back in for a Garand and 1911. He didn't like them because they lacked the power and range of the M-1 rifle.
My police department had M-1 carbines in our patrol cars, side-by-side with Rem. 870s, in the early 1970's, before it was tacti-cool to have police rifles in service. I plan on buying one some day.
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I think they're great guns and always wondered why more companies didn't make their own versions of them.
Plus I can find 30 carbine ammo at wallyword when everything else is gone!
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Great little rifles, and very fun, shot mine to 200 meters and could keep in the black, wished I'd never sold it, it was a Blue Sky.
House gun? Be careful, with fmj, the .30 carbine will smoke a creosote telephone pole, lot of penetration. Pick some soft points or hollow points. I talked to Hornady and Cor bon about coming up with an xtp type bullet, many yrs ago, and they said they were working on it, after I sold mine, I really did not keep up with new ammo choices.
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One of those "can't go wrong" purchases. Congratulations.
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I don't know about the rest of you, but if I needed to use a gun for SD and I had a m1 carbine and a AR side by side, I'd grab the carbine.
the only real "fire power" diffrence between them at a HD range is the number of rounds in the mag.
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I'd grab the AR since I'm MUCH more familiar with the platform.
But it doesn't get much more "Tactical" than a 3+ war veteran.
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Great little rifles, and very fun, shot mine to 200 meters and could keep in the black, wished I'd never sold it, it was a Blue Sky.
House gun? Be careful, with fmj, the .30 carbine will smoke a creosote telephone pole, lot of penetration. Pick some soft points or hollow points. I talked to Hornady and Cor bon about coming up with an xtp type bullet, many yrs ago, and they said they were working on it, after I sold mine, I really did not keep up with new ammo choices.
I bought some Remington soft point ammo the other day. That is what I'll keep in it here at the house when I get all the kinks worked out.
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tranefan, glad to see you reading what m25operator has to say. He is always on the money with information on weapons.
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I bought some Remington soft point ammo the other day. That is what I'll keep in it here at the house when I get all the kinks worked out.
If you can find them, I think Magsafe and Glaser make .30 carbine rounds, which would be ideal inside your home.
http://yp.bellsouth.com/sites/magsafeammo/
http://www.dakotaammo.net/products/glaser/glaser.htm (ok, so they don't list .30 carbine)
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I need y'alls help on fixing my .30 Universal Carbine. The mags just don't sit in right for a consistent feed.
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Hate to break the news to you, but, Mitchell and Universal were the Sig Mosquito's of Carbines.
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Nice purchase. It's on my wish list.
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Hate to break the news to you, but, Mitchell and Universal were the Sig Mosquito's of Carbines.
C'mon Tom. Tell me how to strip it bare and fix it!
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C'mon Tom. Tell me how to strip it bare and fix it!
Post on Gunbroker.com and let it be someone else's problem and buy a new one. I very stupidly sold my grand dads IBM with 600 rounds in stripper clips and five mags (a friend of his wanted it and I had no real use for it, and felt obligated) but it is a fun range and SD gun. I would probably suggest a Hi-point or Kel-tec SU-2000 as more practical, but the MI is a fun little gun.
FQ13
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Sorry. Bought it for $135.00 from Sears 35 years ago. I'll keep it and fix it. (no records ;) )
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Sorry. Bought it for $135.00 from Sears 35 years ago. I'll keep it and fix it. (no records ;) )
And those are the ones you never sell. Right there with you.
FQ13
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C'mon Tom. Tell me how to strip it bare and fix it!
All I recall was that Mitchell Arms and Universal made a copy of the M 1 Carbine that was a POS they were easy to Identify because they lacked the bolt release near the right rear of the receiver.
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Hell the Ruger PC9 makes a great alternative to the M1.
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Is 9mm really a better round than .30 carbine?
I'd rate it between .357mag and .44mag, and above 9mm 40s&w and 45acp.
There are two self defense loads in .30 carbine
.30 Gold Dot 100gr 1990fps 219pf
.30 DPX 110gr 2025fps 202pf
or a standard load
.30 Winchester 110gr 1790fps 196pf
Here are some defensive and hunting loads in 357mag
357 DPX 125gr 1300fps 162pf
357 Cor*bon 180gr 1200fps 216pf
357 Cor*bon 200gr 1150fps 230pf
compared to standard 357mag jhp
357 Winchester 110gr 1295fps 142pf
or a standard 45acp ball
45 Winchester 230gr 835fps 192pf
even a 44 magnum jsp
44m Winchester 240gr 1180fps 283pf
You can see the .30 carbine has some good power. Not 44 Magnum power, but greater than most pistol cartridges.
it also has better range:
.30 winchester 50yrds 1601fps 626 ft.lbs. energy
.44 winchester 50yrds 1081fps 623 ft.lbs. energy
Hmmmm. The .30 has more Energy (783) than the .44 (741) at the muzzle too. I wonder the relationship between energy and
power factor (pf)
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Hmmmm. The .30 has more Energy (783) than the .44 (741) at the muzzle too. I wonder the relationship between energy and
power factor (pf)
You see....it's stuff like that which makes me wonder why the US didn't develop the .30C into the military's primary subgun round over the .45 or 9mm.... :-[
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You see....it's stuff like that which makes me wonder why the US didn't develop the .30C into the military's primary subgun round over the .45 or 9mm.... :-[
in a word
logistics.
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Ordering .30 Cal Ammunition for your M 1 is the classic reason why you DO NOT adopt multiple rounds in the same caliber.
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Ordering .30 Cal Ammunition for your M 1 is the classic reason why you DO NOT adopt multiple rounds in the same caliber.
Close, but no. It's the reason you don't NAME multiple rounds in the same caliber. You call one a .30 and the other a .31 or 7.5mm or something else (inaccurate). An example is that 357 magnum and 38 special fire out of the same gun. They both use a .357in diameter bullet. The 10mm bullet is actually .40 caliber.
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Close, but no. It's the reason you don't NAME multiple rounds in the same caliber. You call one a .30 and the other a .31 or 7.5mm or something else (inaccurate). An example is that 357 magnum and 38 special fire out of the same gun. They both use a .357in diameter bullet. The 10mm bullet is actually .40 caliber.
Another thing about .38, As Overload points out it uses .357 diameter bullet which is a lot closer to .36 caliber
But that would have caused confusion with the Black powder pistols in that caliber.
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Correct me if I'm wrong. Didn't the .357 come about because cops were complaining about the .38 bouncing off windshields & stuff? It was just generally underpowered for their use.
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Not really, It came about, like the .44 Magnum because guys like Elmer Kieth got the "More Power ARGH ARGH ARGH " bug.Cops didn't get interested until it was on the market and they saw how it performed.
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M1 Carbine Tactical Forearm $69.97
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/MCB030-1.html
(http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_images/bgprod/MCB-030.jpg)
(http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_images/bgprod/MCB-030_A.jpg)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Damn that's ugly.
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Damn that's ugly.
What do you mean it doesn't look anything like a glock ;D
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I bought one of those forends, it sucks. If you want to mount a scope, get the Ultimak mount. I converted mine from CMP stock into what is basiclly the Auto Ordnance AOM160 Tactical Folding Stock Model. THEN AO came out with theirs. >:(
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I bought one of those forends, it sucks. If you want to mount a scope, get the Ultimak mount. I converted mine from CMP stock into what is basiclly the Auto Ordnance AOM160 Tactical Folding Stock Model. THEN AO came out with theirs. >:(
???Ugh, hello..... Pictures are worth a thousand words...at least that's what I hear. I need to see GUN PORN!!!!! ;D Please? ;D
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The stupid thing screws onto the barrel. Thats just genius. ::)
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I have an Underwood with all matching parts, barrel is dated 12-42 and the serial numbers put the production date around March of 43. I purchased it back in the late 80's. It's the most fun you can have with your pants on. I love shooting with it at the range, have used it on a pig or two and a few coyots have had a bad day as a result of ability to shoot qickly. Yours is a fine M1 own it with pride.
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I don't LIKE "It's not very tactical but it is a Carbine"? IT IS TACTICAL AND IT IS A CARBINE would be better said. I carried and USED one on many patrols and was able to send a good number of bad guys to Hell. That was good enough for me and I survived and 'they' didn't :>)
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I don't LIKE "It's not very tactical but it is a Carbine"? IT IS TACTICAL AND IT IS A CARBINE would be better said. I carried and USED one on many patrols and was able to send a good number of bad guys to Hell. That was good enough for me and I survived and 'they' didn't :>)
Damn straight and welcome aboard! It wasn't what it could have been, think AK or mini-14, but it did its job. I really wish I had mine back.
FQ13
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I enjoyed my CMP carbine the one time I've been able to take it to the range.
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I don't LIKE "It's not very tactical but it is a Carbine"? IT IS TACTICAL AND IT IS A CARBINE would be better said. I carried and USED one on many patrols and was able to send a good number of bad guys to Hell. That was good enough for me and I survived and 'they' didn't :>)
An M-1 Carbine is tactical in the trueist since of the word. I was just making a joke because nowadays too many of our brethren (and sisteren for that matter ;)) tend to think a weapon has to be black, plastic and loaded with attachments in order to be effective much less tactical.
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That is SOOO true, the same is true for the chuckle heads that talk about "Assault weapons"
This is no more or less "Tactical" or "intended for the battle field"
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct854.aspx
Than this is,
http://www.dixiegunworks.com/popup_image.php?pID=3484
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That is SOOO true, the same is true for the chuckle heads that talk about "Assault weapons"
This is no more or less "Tactical" or "intended for the battle field"
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct854.aspx
Than this is,
http://www.dixiegunworks.com/popup_image.php?pID=3484
I'm sure a lot of folks don't think Kentucky long rifles look tactical but try and tell that to a Redcoat on the receiving end at Kings Mountain on 10-7-1780.
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I don't LIKE "It's not very tactical but it is a Carbine"? IT IS TACTICAL AND IT IS A CARBINE would be better said. I carried and USED one on many patrols and was able to send a good number of bad guys to Hell. That was good enough for me and I survived and 'they' didn't :>)
For those who consider the M1 Carbine and the .30Carbine round ineffective, I refute it thus.... 8)
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I don't LIKE "It's not very tactical but it is a Carbine"? IT IS TACTICAL AND IT IS A CARBINE would be better said. I carried and USED one on many patrols and was able to send a good number of bad guys to Hell. That was good enough for me and I survived and 'they' didn't :>)
Old Soldier.
Welcome from another "old soldier" quietly fading away.
See my earlier post on this thread. You and I have the carbine in common. I used an M2 but most of my troops were using M1 Carbines and M1s.
Any one who doesn't think an M1 Carbine is tactical either does not know history or his head is not in the sunlight.
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But it isn't "tacti COOL" ;D
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Of course you are right, Tom, as usual. But I think what is Tacti COOL may depend on the age and experience of the observer.
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Cool enough for me! Wish I could find a good copy for a decent price. I can get a new one from Auto Ordnance but somehow it loses it's appeal.
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I agree , and I'm a lot closer to your thinking than to the mall Ninja with the hood ornament on his AR ;D
Some times sarcasm doesn't come through in print ;D
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My wife loves shooting our M1 Carbine. Perfect size for her and zero recoil. Looking forward to the Speer Gold Dot 110gr coming out this year!
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Any woman who shoots is an asset! Welcome to the forum. Bill T.
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(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/Krinkov004.jpg)
Maybe not even a carbine, but hey, Grampa's lever action jumps to the next level.... 8)
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In the ugliest gun category? I know pimpin' aint easy, but dude, the red dot aside, gold and black plastic?
FQ13
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This is tacticool:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v679/pzgren/Privatsammlung/IMG_2878.jpg
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In the ugliest gun category? I know pimpin' aint easy, but dude, the red dot aside, gold and black plastic?
FQ13
FQ, that's leather wrapped on the lever.
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In the ugliest gun category? I know pimpin' aint easy, but dude, the red dot aside, gold and black plastic?
FQ13
I would take it over a club any day. Remember the Henery was the assult weapon of the civil war.
Nothing wrong with this rifle set up this way. Very practical and less "evil" in the eyes of many., althought that leather wrapped handle might be to some. ;D
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FQ, that's leather wrapped on the lever.
Levergun....black.....leather....my three favorite words all in the same rifle... ;)
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Levergun....black.....leather....my three favorite words all in the same rifle... ;)
you forgot the fourth (which would be my first) [extra] ammo
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This is tacticool:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v679/pzgren/Privatsammlung/IMG_2878.jpg
It's Beautiful. 8)