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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: twyacht on October 12, 2009, 06:54:35 PM
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When will it stop.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,564605,00.html?test=latestnews
Six-year-old Zachary Christie was so excited to become a Cub Scout that he brought his camping utensil to school. The tool serves as a spoon, a fork and a knife, and Zachary wanted to use it at lunch.
What Zachary didn't know was that the gizmo violated his school's zero-tolerance policy on weapons. And now the Christina School District in Newark, Del., has suspended the first grader and ordered him to attend the district's reform school for 45 days.
Zachary's parents insist their son did not intend to hurt anyone, and they are fighting to overturn the ruling.
"Zachary wears a suit and tie some days to school by his own choice because he takes school so seriously," Zachary's mother, Debbie Christie, told the New York Times. "He is not some sort of threat to his classmates."
The school district, in a statement, said rules are rules and defended its decision to suspend the boy.
"At this time, the Student Code of Conduct does not take into consideration a child's age in a Level three offense," the statement read.
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HE'S SIX YEARS OLD!!!... I'm a parent of a former webolo, cub scout, and Boy Scout, GEEZ, It fell out of his book bag,....
I would literally be arrested for communication of threats and disorderly conduct when dealing with these zero tolerance asshats
IN AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL!!!!
It's a fork, spoon and butter knife,.
Right up there with the suspension of a student for drawing a gun in art class!!!!
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When will it stop.
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When these school officials start tasting the Mussolini treatment.
Think globally. Act locally.
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No kidding, get involved parents, take the teachers and principals to task, and fire them for this kind of BS. The PTA has gotten so weak, the only thing that will change the future is your involvement and firing the school board, and hiring better people.
It all starts with the school board, 1st the lawyers and then the politicians. W Shakespeare.
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zero tolerance f**kwits really piss me off, these assclowns are what is messing up the place
HE IS IN A JUNIOR PRIMARY SCHOOL!!!!
Right up there with the suspension of a student for drawing a gun in art class!!!!
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Hell I guess I am lucky that it as not happened to my daughter yet ;D
a couple of months ago
the director of the child care centre was walking a new parent through showing them around
they get to My Daughter and ask what she is doing
Drawing. was the answer
ahh on, what are you drawing ( in pink mind you)
her answer a rifle, I want one when I turn 5 it has to be a pink one though
hehe the director and the parent had a bit of a laugh
then the director went on to explain that her father is a "sporting shooter" hehe and she want to go to the range with Dad
my Daughter is only 3 at the moment God Bless her ;D
Also the Director of the centre is my Mrs ( hehe ) and i have been hearing how she has been telling her teachers that she wants to go hunting for rabbits, foxes ( wonder where she got that idea from hehe )
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It all starts with the school board, 1st the lawyers and then the politicians. W Shakespeare.
+1 m25
Zero tolerance has come to mean, "Hey we're too lazy and too stupid to apply logic and reason and make sensible judgement calls." Oh, I forgot, if we do use sound judgement we will tread on somone's race or "rights". Therefore, everyone must be a criminal psychopath, even the elementary school kids!!!
Okay, deep breath... I'm done now. ;D
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Teaching her RIGHT Phil ;D
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Every time I hear a story like this it pisses me off to the highest of pisstivity.
I've posted before about the kid a few counties over that had his entire high school endeavors (he was three weeks from graduating and was to be the Valedictorian) shot to hell due to a steak knife left in the bed of his truck after a weekend camping trip and a school's 'zero tolerance' policy.
Bastards. >:(
That's twice today.....dammit.
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Good on ya, Phil.
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I heard this nonsense on the news last night. It makes my blood boil! It's a good thing I never had kids. If that were my son, I'd be going to jail! This kind of crap is completely out of control. Here in Phoenix a couple of years back we had a girl who was a Trap Shooting Olympic hopeful. She would practice every morning at the Ben Avery Clay Target Center before going to school for the day. One day she was running late and left a couple of boxes of trap loads on the back seat of her locked car. A school official saw them, and she was suspended! It made the newspapers. This kind of crap is not "zero tolerance". It is simply zero brains! Bill T.
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Zero tolerance requires Zero judgment and zero responsibility among school administrators.
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http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/33289924/ns/today-today_people/?GT1=43001
Put enough pressure on them, and common sense will besiege even the biggest idiot's. Bill T.
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Peg, I don't believe pisstivity is a real word BUT......It should be and I agree one kazillion%.
Richard
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Zero tolerance has come to mean, "Hey we're too lazy and too stupid to apply logic and reason and make sensible judgement calls." Oh, I forgot, if we do use sound judgement we will tread on somone's race or "rights". Therefore, everyone must be a criminal psychopath, even the elementary school kids!!!
You got that right!
As an adult, in this day in age, one might conclude one probably shouldn't bring the "Swiss Army" tool to school. BUT THIS IS A LITTLE KID!
I saw this kid and his parents interviewed and he seemed to so proud of his Swiss Army utensil set. I'm sure he thought it would be cool to take to school and use it at lunch. He makes a innocent mistake and the school drags him through hell.
Aren't schools supposed to be all concerned about self-esteem these days?
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You got that right!
As an adult, in this day in age, one might conclude one probably shouldn't bring the "Swiss Army" tool to school. BUT THIS IS A LITTLE KID!
I saw this kid and his parents interviewed and he seemed to so proud of his Swiss Army utensil set. I'm sure he thought it would be cool to take to school and use it at lunch. He makes a innocent mistake and the school drags him through hell.
Aren't schools supposed to be all concerned about self-esteem these days?
Only when it fits the "Agenda".
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Peg, I don't believe pisstivity is a real word BUT......It should be and I agree one kazillion%.
Richard
No but I think we need to make it one.
I hereby proclaim a new entry in Funk and Wag's. With all credit to PL.
Pegleg's Pisstivity Index. A logarithmic scale measuring the amount of frustration one feels when confronted with total stupidity.
PPI-1 Mildly annoyed.....amused even
PPI-2 Slightly annoyed.....apt to resort to multi-syllable adjectives
PPI-3 Greatly annoyed....apt to resort to single-syllable adjectives....most with 4 letters
PPI-4 Majorly annoyed....apt to resort to violence against inanimate objects
PPI-5 Beyond annoyed....apt to resort to violence against other people in an attempt to improve the gene pool
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No but I think we need to make it one.
I hereby proclaim a new entry in Funk and Wag's. With all credit to PL.
Pegleg's Pisstivity Index. A logarithmic scale measuring the amount of frustration one feels when confronted with total stupidity.
PPI-1 Mildly annoyed.....amused even
PPI-2 Slightly annoyed.....apt to resort to multi-syllable adjectives
PPI-3 Greatly annoyed....apt to resort to single-syllable adjectives....most with 4 letters
PPI-4 Majorly annoyed....apt to resort to violence against inanimate objects
PPI-5 Beyond annoyed....apt to resort to violence against other people in an attempt to improve the gene pool
I like that, Alf....good stuff. ;D ;D
I do have to give credit to a long-dead stand-up comedian named Robin Harris for the word 'pisstivity'....he was the guy that talked about "Be-Be's Kids" and was also in the movie "Harlem Nights". It was from a stand-up routine he did back in the 80's.....funny stuff.....very vulgar....but funny.
8)
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No but I think we need to make it one.
I hereby proclaim a new entry in Funk and Wag's. With all credit to PL.
Pegleg's Pisstivity Index. A logarithmic scale measuring the amount of frustration one feels when confronted with total stupidity.
PPI-1 Mildly annoyed.....amused even
PPI-2 Slightly annoyed.....apt to resort to multi-syllable adjectives
PPI-3 Greatly annoyed....apt to resort to single-syllable adjectives....most with 4 letters
PPI-4 Majorly annoyed....apt to resort to violence against inanimate objects
PPI-5 Beyond annoyed....apt to resort to violence against other people in an attempt to improve the gene pool
is it an issue when one is normally sitting around PPI-4 PPI-5 for a base line ;D
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is it an issue when one is normally sitting around PPI-4 PPI-5 for a base line ;D
Personally,
My base line is PPI-1, because if you don't laugh you cry (or start taking Tom seriously) and thats been true in both W's and BO's admins. Otherwise, about a two to four is a healthy response.
FQ13
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School Board revisited the punishment and gave him suspension in lieu of reform school, heard it on the radio coming into work this AM.
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You're all too serious, I seldom get above a PPI - 2.
Nothing to stress about, just hang the bastards.
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I have a stapler inbedded in the sheet rock above my desk.
Where does that land on the PPI meter?
;D
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I have a stapler inbedded in the sheet rock above my desk.
Where does that land on the PPI meter?
;D
If it stays there it's a PPI 1. If it falls on you it may hit PPI 6 ;D
Which will not stop the rest of us from laughing ;D
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I once threw a hole-saw at my boss in the shop, missed him damn it!
Since I didn't hit him and he's now dead, does that count toward an "inanimate object"?
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I'd say a PPI-4 sounds about right, Tim...................yep about a 4. ;D ;D ;D
Sounds like you need to work on your aim. ;)
I once threw a hole-saw at my boss in the shop, missed him damn it!
Since I didn't hit him and he's now dead, does that count toward an "inanimate object"?
Did you come close enough to scare him to death?
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Did you come close enough to scare him to death?
I think he pooped a little! ;D
Managed to keep my job, gained a little respect and the "Crow" off the lunch truck that day was especially tender and juicy! ;)
After that incident, we actually became pretty good friends!
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Editorial: Rethinking policies on 'zero tolerance'
Oct 13, 2009 at 06:35 PM
http://www.startribune.com/opinion/?elr=KArksc8P:Pc:UHDaaDyiUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUQ7c4E7ME5U
The Minneapolis StarTribune, affectionately known as the Red Star around here, ran an editorial today against “zero-tolerance” policies in schools! Will wonders never cease!
Excerpts from the editorial:
It's a sure bet that many of the 3,400 boys who descended on the Stearns Scout Camp near Annandale last weekend brought along something like the Litt'L Vitt'L. Sold on scoutstuff.org, the Boy Scouts of America retail online store, the Litt'L Vitt'L is a stainless steel knife, fork and spoon that clip together and fit inside a vinyl case the same blue hue as a Cub Scout shirt.
But as Minnesota scouts were tramping around in the cold weather news broke that a six-year-old Cub Scout from Delaware faces a suspension and 45 days in a district reform school for bringing something like the Litt'L Vitt'L to first grade. Zachary Christie was so excited about joining Cub Scouts that he brought his new eating utensil to school, intending to show it off at lunch in the cafeteria. In doing so, Christie became the latest kid snared in foolishly inflexible school rules rooted in "zero-tolerance" weapon policies.
The policies -- mostly put in place by districts since the 1990s --were a well-intentioned but poorly thought-out response to the growing problem of school violence. In the wake of the Columbine tragedy, school boards across the nation sought to reassure parents by not allowing anything on school grounds that could be used to hurt someone, and then making no exceptions in handing out draconian punishments. While elements of this get-tough measure are needed, strict applications of it too often yield ludicrous results.
Sometimes, severe sanctions are necessary. Sometimes, confiscating the weapon and sitting down with parents is the best way to go. It's a humane approach that applies a skill schools should be teaching -- critical thinking. If we expect that from students, it's only fair to expect it from those who teach them.
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Editorial: Rethinking policies on 'zero tolerance'
Oct 13, 2009 at 06:35 PM
http://www.startribune.com/opinion/?elr=KArksc8P:Pc:UHDaaDyiUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUQ7c4E7ME5U
The Minneapolis StarTribune, affectionately known as the Red Star around here, ran an editorial today against “zero-tolerance” policies in schools! Will wonders never cease!
Excerpts from the editorial:
It's a sure bet that many of the 3,400 boys who descended on the Stearns Scout Camp near Annandale last weekend brought along something like the Litt'L Vitt'L. Sold on scoutstuff.org, the Boy Scouts of America retail online store, the Litt'L Vitt'L is a stainless steel knife, fork and spoon that clip together and fit inside a vinyl case the same blue hue as a Cub Scout shirt.
But as Minnesota scouts were tramping around in the cold weather news broke that a six-year-old Cub Scout from Delaware faces a suspension and 45 days in a district reform school for bringing something like the Litt'L Vitt'L to first grade. Zachary Christie was so excited about joining Cub Scouts that he brought his new eating utensil to school, intending to show it off at lunch in the cafeteria. In doing so, Christie became the latest kid snared in foolishly inflexible school rules rooted in "zero-tolerance" weapon policies.
The policies -- mostly put in place by districts since the 1990s --were a well-intentioned but poorly thought-out response to the growing problem of school violence. In the wake of the Columbine tragedy, school boards across the nation sought to reassure parents by not allowing anything on school grounds that could be used to hurt someone, and then making no exceptions in handing out draconian punishments. While elements of this get-tough measure are needed, strict applications of it too often yield ludicrous results.
Sometimes, severe sanctions are necessary. Sometimes, confiscating the weapon and sitting down with parents is the best way to go. It's a humane approach that applies a skill schools should be teaching -- critical thinking. If we expect that from students, it's only fair to expect it from those who teach them.[/b]
I'll....be...gobsmacked! I journey making sense!