The Down Range Forum
Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: tombogan03884 on October 13, 2009, 01:04:18 PM
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The Glock 20 seems to be an excellent "all purpose" semi Auto.
.40 Cal seems to be gaining a reputation as a self defense round, it seems that the faster 10 mm would give better penetration and bullet performance in heavier game.
My question is would you use the 10mm semi for hunting, and if so, how large would you be comfortable.
Deer ? Eastern bears (smaller ) Elk ?
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Deer? Yes.
Eastern bear? Not sure.
Elk? Hell no.
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Uncle Ted, uses his 10mm alot for hunting. Deer and hogs for sure, haven't heard of it used for elk or bear. But with the right ammo, shot placement and at the right distance.... then again is'nt that where the answer lies ;)
I'm a big fan of the 10mm.
Are you getting one?
In Coloradao for big game hunting with a hand gun.
Barrel must be min. 4 inches long
Must use a min. .24-caliber (6mm) diameter expanding bullet.
Must use a cartridge or load that produces min. energy of 550-ft. lbs. at 50 yards. as rated by manufacturer.
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Deer, hogs, and Mountain Lions, I'd trust a 10 MM for. Black bears, Probably; but I wouldn't use it for elk. I'd go to a .44 Mag for elk.
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Not getting one in the foreseeable future but the local gun shop had a G 20 NIB for $550 All the other 10MM's I'd seen had been double that price. It got me curious about the caliber.
Thanks for the comments.
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when I go pig hunting, one of my DEs is my back up. more power and rounds. Pigs here tend to be in the 150-200 lb range. Few in the 300+ but they are rare. deer would be a easy kill, if you could get close.( deer here are less then 100 lbs, but its almost always a 200+ yd shot)
Like most hand gun rounds, the hand loader can load things alot stronger then off the shelf stuff.
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I know that the Double Tap rounds are built from the ground up as a hunting round for the Glock 20 and are very potent, not stuff you practice regularly with. Although they probably would destroy your bank account before they destroyed your pistol.
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double taps numbers are not from a standard G20, they use a 6" barrel, so don't expect to see thier numbers from a stock g20
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I like the 10 mm, cheap pistol in a few brands. Not cheap ammo tho. I would take a hard look at it for a carry pistol.
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Deer? Yes.
Eastern bear? Not sure.
Elk? Hell no.
Same here.
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Are you sure TAB? I just checked the site and they specify the G20 as well as the 29 but it doesn't list any mods to the pistols. Although it would be nice if they cited whether a 6'' or the standard 4.7'' was used.
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yeah I'm sure.
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I would not try it, unless it was all I had, and had not choice, but Ted Nugent killed a water buffalo with one, but he hammered it multiple times until it fell down.
I'll use my G20 for most anything here in TX, 300lbs and under should do fine, with a good shot, ammo choice, and common sense. I do load mine above industry standards, with brand new brass, not to be loaded that hot again.!! I won't give out my loads, but 800x, is the powder of choice.
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The g20 +g29 are my primary carry guns. If the caliber is approved to hunt deer sized game there is something to be said for the round. (the .45 is not approved here for hunting) I have lone wolf 10mm-40sw conversion barrels for each gun which allows for cheaper and readily availible ammo for practice. Two guns in one. Love it ;D
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I wish they would let us use 10mm for hunting in Indiana. I carry the Glock 21SF or Glock 30SF in .45 ACP and you cannot hunt with it here. I think 10 mm would be awesome to hunt deer with. I would not want it for a bear or larger game. I got my .45's for dangerous animals that I may encounter while camping.
I must say that I would love to own a Glock 20. Hard to find 10mm rounds around here. I have only seen one box at Gander Mountain in Indianapolis. It was rather salty I might add. Along with the .45 GAP.
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I would not try it, unless it was all I had, and had not choice, but Ted Nugent killed a water buffalo with one, but he hammered it multiple times until it fell down
Only Uncle Ted has the stones to try that.
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I carry a G20 10mm when i hunt. I dont feel that anything larger is needed in the south west. Some of you may think otherwise but its not like your going to run into a grizzly. I think the 2 legged predators are more dangerous.
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Most 10 mm are loaded down to much recoil for most so if your going hunting load your own.
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some of the best 10mm ammo I have seen was fullpower loads 180gr. Hornday 10MM Auto, 180 gr. JHP/XTP
#9126
Velocity (fps) / Energy (ft-lbs)
Muzzle 50 yd 100 yd
1180/556 1077/464 1004/403
Barrel Length (inches)
this stuff did better than all the Corbon that we could find to test to be used on 2 legged animals.
Also Bufflalo Bore is the only 10mm to hunt with.(4 legged animals) I would not use any other pistol than the Glock with the 6" hunter barrel installed and it will give you better than stated performance. Add a set of Crimson Trace for empty gun pratice and the cost of the grips very quickly pay for them self.
SKU: 21A/20
Heavy 10mm Pistol and Handgun Ammo
Heavy 10mm Ammo - 200 gr. F.M.J. (1,200fps/M.E. 639 ft.lbs.) - 20 Round Box
$29.21
Manufacturer: Buffalo Bore
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10mm is under rated. It will do more than a .44 mag and still have back up bullets, just in case.
One of the Alaska DNR boys was attacked by a gizz and killed it with his Glock .40 S&W. Took the entire mag but what the hell he gets ammo free but had to pay to get the stains out of his pants.
The .40 S&W is a poor performer as a pistol round as many are finding out. Speed is too low to offer consistant expansion as I am told by a medical exaimner and State Police bullistics expert.
10mm does offer higher speed which means good espansion with the same .40 bullets. I know folks who carry them all the time and have no doubt they will do the job.
Since I am left handed I am getting a 10mm barrel for my Glock SF in .45 ACP and converting it so I have the ambi mag release and short frame. Best of both worlds.
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i shot a nice 290+lbs bull elk from my deck with my 9mm, at around 45 yards it was a easy shot with my sig. found him an hour later 20 yards into the tree line. when i opened him up i had took out the heart and both lungs.
The point is its all about shot placement.
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Is that kind of small for an Elk ?
I'm not being wise, we don't have them here but we do get whitetails over 200lbs,Average is 100 - 150 but real big ones are out there.
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what make was the 9mm and what was the status of bullet(recovered or no) info
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Winchester silvertip 115 grain. the bullet was lodged inside his far ribcage and had expanded pretty nicely, when i fond it it had spun a bunch inside and was facing towards the direction i shot it from. will try and find a pic.
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Thank you Jackel, I would very much appreciate that pic.
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from bushpilot.
The .40 S&W is a poor performer as a pistol round as many are finding out. Speed is too low to offer consistant expansion as I am told by a medical exaimner and State Police bullistics expert.
Please cite the specific "many" that are disappointed in the .40 S&W.
Speed is not an issue with the .40 S&W, get them up over 1100 to 1200 fps, and expansion is up to .70 depending on bullet. Maybe that's why more LEO dept.'s are getting 40 S&W. and the 10mm is a great obscurity.
The Winchester factory load for the .40 S&W (The 10MM Short?) duplicates the FBI load for the 10MM (The 10MM Light?), both of which are rated at 950 fps with a 180 grain bullet. The Winchester load clocks 963 feet per second from a four-inch barreled .40 S&W over the triple skyscreens of the Oehler Model 35P and the Federal "FBI" load goes 948 feet per second from a five-inch S&W Model 1006.
Speed is the same in this particular load. Something backwards here as the ballistics are the same but the uniformed officer carries the medium-sized pistol and the undercover agent carries the full-sized pistol. Hmmmm?
http://www.firearmstactical.com/ammo_data/40s&w.htm
The 10mm is a great round for it's "niche", just like the 41 Magnum. It's great but not mass marketed like the .40 S&W.
Plus ammo is cheaper.
http://www.handloads.com/misc/stoppingpower.asp?Caliber=11&Weight=All
Based on this table of documented shootings, the 40 S&W with a given round has a 94% 1 shot stop.
But so can a 22lr, comes down to practice, and shot placement.
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One shot stop vs. one shot incapacitation is a huge difference.
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One shot stop vs. one shot incapacitation is a huge difference.
Yet both yield the same result: Their not shooting back anymore.
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Good point if reaction is the end goal you bet your life on. I like to bet on facts and results.
Just opinion but I will take "zero shot stops" any day but I want the gun loaded with the best "One shot Incapacitaters" that i could find based on facts. J.I.C.
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I think tex, we're on different roads going to the same destination.
Results at Ft. Hood had an LEO that was shot but not incapacitated return fire and incapacitate the shooter. Hasan survived, but was not able to continue shooting. Thankfully.
I bet my life on top-shelf ammo, based on documented shootings,and ballistic research and data, but the ammo won't matter without training, shot placement, and a thousand other variables.
My CCW instructor in NC, was/is retired NYC Police, he mentioned a BG shot point blank in the center chest with a .357 Magnum JHP's, get up, charge again, and wrestle with 4 officers before being handcuffed.
He died 20 minutes later. But when he got back up and charged again, he was not incapacitated. .357 has a 96% one shot stop probability, but like statistics, you can only read so much into them.
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good point think we should agree to agree then.
When every else fails default to Tex Cobb from "Uncommon Valor":
"Pull the PIN and see what happens next!"
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I like the 10mm. I do want one for hunting deer and other similar sized game. I'm not sure if I would try elk or bear though, at least not as a primary weapon system. Though I would welcome it as a backup for just about any hunt. Of course for those who carry it for the 2 legged verity of varmint out there be sure your aware of the Harold Fish shooting! ??? He got screwed by the system for using a 10mm for SD! I think I'm leaning towards a G20. I would must rather have 15rds of 10mm than 6rds of .44 or .357 mag if something dangerous is charging at me while I out hunting. I used to carry a .44 mag but it was to heavy so I switched to .357 mag now I'm thinking it's to heavy. So I'm thinking the Glock would be a good next step. But like I said at the beginning of this I would like to try hunting deer with it as the primary. :)
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I think tex, we're on different roads going to the same destination.
Results at Ft. Hood had an LEO that was shot but not incapacitated return fire and incapacitate the shooter. Hasan survived, but was not able to continue shooting. Thankfully.
I bet my life on top-shelf ammo, based on documented shootings,and ballistic research and data, but the ammo won't matter without training, shot placement, and a thousand other variables.
My CCW instructor in NC, was/is retired NYC Police, he mentioned a BG shot point blank in the center chest with a .357 Magnum JHP's, get up, charge again, and wrestle with 4 officers before being handcuffed.
He died 20 minutes later. But when he got back up and charged again, he was not incapacitated. .357 has a 96% one shot stop probability, but like statistics, you can only read so much into them.
I saw a guy take 3 357 to the fore head and was able to sit up and talk to people.
when I say saw, it was at a distrance less then 6 feet.
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Hmmmmm? ???
Any pics? ;D
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no, but it turned me off mass transit.
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I had to ask man.
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10mm is an interesting round for sure.
Speaking of Uncle Ted and his 10mm...the one I saw him shooting on the tv last night was a Springfield Armory 1911 with what looked like a 6 inch barrel and adjustable rear sights. He shot an axis deer at about 90 yards and hit it a bit far back. Tracked it down and hit two more times out of about 5 or 6 shots fired...don't know for sure but he reloaded...from those two hits it was a heart shot and a shoulder shot. Dead deer. Personally I think his first shot was too far but that's just my opinion.
Don't know that I'd use iit for bear unless it was all I had as a sidearm and I didn't have my rifle...
BTW...mature bull elk are way over 290lbs....cow elk are around 3-500 lbs...Bulls run 700-1000 lbs. Yearling bulls may be around 300 lbs or so. Elk are very muscular, dense animals with a heavy bone structure. If you hit the V perfect you are OK. HIt the leg bone or that shoulder blade and not so much....I'm still talking handguns and bows here; heavy rifle calibers will break down a bull with that shoulder shot.
And, with Ted's class III, he had a MP5 in 10mm that rocks.
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5 or 6 shots and he only had 3 hits? sounds like he should not have taken the shots.
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5 or 6 shots and he only had 3 hits? sounds like he should not have taken the shots.
I think I've seen that video, he had been stalking the deer and took the shots standing at a good distance from the deer. For an Iron sight gun it was decent shooting.
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Hey guys I am new to the 10mm and am thinking of getting the S&W 610 6.5"which shoots the 10 and the 40. What are your thoughts?
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Hey guys I am new to the 10mm and am thinking of getting the S&W 610 6.5"which shoots the 10 and the 40. What are your thoughts?
Get it ;D
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Seems pretty awesome.
http://www.gunblast.com/SW-610.htm
The second advantage of a 10mm revolver is the 610 also chambers .40 S&W cartridge. While the 10mm is clearly a superior hunting cartridge, the .40 S&W is much more common and cheaper to shoot. Additionally, all major manufacturers make .40 S&W personal protection ammunition with the latest bullet designs, while few make 10mm ammo with the current generation of self defense bullets. So, .40 S&W ammo may be better for self defense applications.
These two advantages mean that one revolver can be used for plinking, self defense, and hunting…without a decrease in reliability in virtually any environment…simply by choosing which ammunition to feed it.
The S&W 610 retails for $980, but I have seen them significantly cheaper at some dealers looking to move them due to a lack of interest. The funny thing is, I imagine that they are not selling as well as other Smith products due to a lack of advertising, not due to a lack of interest. If more people knew about them, they would probably be selling a little quicker with the dealers I talked to.
Sounds like an all around great revolver. Close to a grand for a revolver, but one to hold onto.
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DustinL, I had one and it shot like a laser, with .40 or 10mm, I sold it only because it would not do anything my .44 or .41 would do. If you like the revolver over the auto, get it and you will be pleased. I still have a Glock 20, because it holds 17 rds, other than that the S&W was a great wheelgun and I would recommend it again and again.
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I'll take two please.