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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Hazcat on October 14, 2009, 10:02:52 AM
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By Melica Johnson KATU News and KATU.com Staff
Video http://www.katu.com/news/local/64059697.html?video=YHI&t=a
ALBANY, Ore. - At the Oaks Apartments in Albany, the management can fly their own flag advertising one and two bedroom apartments - but residents have been told they can't fly any flags at all.
Jim Clausen flies the American flag from the back of his motorcycle. He has a son in the military heading back to Iraq, and the flag - he said - is his way of showing support.
"This flag stands for all those people," said Clausen, an Oaks Apartment resident. "It stands for the people that can no longer stand - who died in wars. That's why I fly this flag."
But to Oaks Apartment management, Clausen said, the American flag symbolizes problems.
He was told to remove the red, white and blue from both of his rides, or face eviction.
"It floored me," he said. "I can't believe she was saying what she was saying."
Even long-time residents like Sharron White, who has flown a flag on her car for eight years, has been told to take it down.
White said management told her that "someone might get offended."
"I just said to her 'They'll just have to get over it,'" White said.
Resident we talked to who had been approached to take down their flags all told us the same thing: that management told them the flags could be offensive because they live in a diverse community.
Attempts to find out for ourselves why management would ban flags were unsuccessful. KATU wanted to talk to management at Oaks Apartments, but no one has returned our calls. The woman we were told had made the decision said she was "not going to answer any questions."
National Guard signThe mother of one soldier fighting in Iraq put up a poster in her son's apartment window when she learned of the ban. Her son's roommate said he'll risk eviction to make sure it stays.
Another Oaks Apartment resident, Judith Sherer, doesn't have a car. Instead she carries an American flag around the complex to protest the ban, and wonders if the flag pin she wears is next to be "singled out."
"If I put it on and I walk outside, what's going to happen?" Sherer muses. "Am I going to be confronted by a manager about this?"
We're told the ban includes sports flags and even flag stickers on cars.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/64059697.html
Comments at link
BTW if you watch the vid the news caster says the ACLU said the ban was OK as it is private property.
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We looked at buy a house in a "perfectly planned community". The perfectly planned real estate agent told us the association could tell you what color you could paint your doors, what you could park in the driveway and what you could plant around your house.
They did not allow any type of flags because someone might be offended. Many people who lived there were government employees.
I believe I asked if the association was planning to pay my fri#$ng morgage when my wife choked me out. Its hazy ;D
My city girl wife ended living in boondocks where people can fly the flag of there country with pride.
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Molon Labbe ?
American flag offensive in America ?
F-ck them.
Any one who has a problem with the US flag being flown should go back to the poverty stricken, socialist, sh!thole they came from, and that includes France and California.
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I guess in a time that our President feels he must apologize to the world for our past actions this is a natural outgrowth. It is hard to believe that anyone in this country would consider the Stars and Stripes offensive – even people who live in Diversity-Ville.
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FTA "the ACLU said the ban was OK as it is private property."
That is not true, the ones with "property rights" are the people who are paying to live there. A landlords "Property rights" are fairly limited if you are paying your rent and not causing damage.
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How about those red, white and blue "O" stickers?
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FTA "the ACLU said the ban was OK as it is private property."
That is not true, the ones with "property rights" are the people who are paying to live there. A landlords "Property rights" are fairly limited if you are paying your rent and not causing damage.
if it says no flags in the lease and you signed it... you need to uphold that contract you signed.
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if it says no flags in the lease and you signed it... you need to uphold that contract you signed.
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=109_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ243.109.pdf
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http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=109_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ243.109.pdf
Maybe someone should email that law to these idiots.
I guess my "Bite Me!" flag won't go over well in OR...
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rather its illegal or not is not the issue( atleast for me) you signed a contract saying you will do something. You should uphold your word.
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Contracts are like toilet paper these days, especially leases. The tenant, in most all states, has far more rights than the owner does.
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rather its illegal or not is not the issue( atleast for me) you signed a contract saying you will do something. You should uphold your word.
I didn't see in the story where any such thing was in a contract.
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Didn't see a copy of the lease either.
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Don't care where i was living, nobody can tell me not to put a flag on my OWN DAMNED VEHICLE! I paid for it after all. And if someone is in AMERICA and offended by an AMERICAN flag, YOU ARE FREE TO GO TO WHATEVER COUNTRY YOU FEEL LIKE!
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Don't care where i was living, nobody can tell me not to put a flag on my OWN DAMNED VEHICLE! I paid for it after all. And if someone is in AMERICA and offended by an AMERICAN flag, YOU ARE FREE TO GO TO WHATEVER COUNTRY YOU FEEL LIKE!
+ 1 million, Walter.....pretty much sums it up.
Where does the madness end?
Rope?
PPI-3.5 ........................... Bastards.
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Didn't see a copy of the lease either.
TAB, you don't need to see the lease. Here is what the LAW says:
SEC. 3. RIGHT TO DISPLAY THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES.
A condominium association, cooperative association, or residential real estate management association may not adopt or enforce any policy, or enter into any agreement, that would restrict or prevent a member of the association from displaying the flag of the United States on residential property within the association with respect to which such member has a separate ownership interest or a right to exclusive possession or use.
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TAB, you don't need to see the lease. Here is what the LAW says:
SEC. 3. RIGHT TO DISPLAY THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES.
A condominium association, cooperative association, or residential real estate management association may not adopt or enforce any policy, or enter into any agreement, that would restrict or prevent a member of the association from displaying the flag of the United States on residential property within the association with respect to which such member has a separate ownership interest or a right to exclusive possession or use.
read my other post in the thread, if you sign something saying you won't do something. and you do it anyways, your in the wrong. even if that thing is illegal. should have not signed it then.
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TAB....please get a refund on your education...I realize it was a math degree but Geez......
1. Understand the proper usage of the word you're. It is a contraction, or a combination of, the words you and are. Other examples of contractions include doesn't, they're, and can't.
"You're a good friend." ("YOU ARE a good friend.")
"I don't know what you're talking about." ("I don't know what YOU ARE talking about.")
2. Understand the proper usage of the word your. The word your is the possessive form of you, referring to something that a person has, or something that belongs to the person in discussion [or, the person you are talking to].
"Is your stomach growling?"
"Your book is on the table."
"Your math degree is worthless! Go back to school, while you're still young enough and your wife is still working."
Sorry dude, bit of a pet peeve, blame my Mother! ;D
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I know all too well about Gestapo HOA's and the like,.... It is in the lease/HOA agreement somewhere, most have slick lawyers draw up the property "rules", etc,...
They can draw attention to their plight and hopefully the group will relent under pressure.
One neighborhood in Wilmington, NC, called Landfall, would have volunteers actually cite residents for crooked blinds. Could not back in to your parking spot, no commercial vehicles, no boats, all painting had to be approved, etc,....
But you signed it when you moved in.
I say F em',...move on,.... I fly my Flag everyday.
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/I_Am_The_American_Flag.jpg)
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read my other post in the thread, if you sign something saying you won't do something. and you do it anyways, your in the wrong. even if that thing is illegal. should have not signed it then.
TAB, there you go bloviating again. If a contract clause is illegal it does not matter if one signs the contract. The fact that a contract clause is illegal makes the clause unenforceable.
You may think otherwise but you would be wrong.
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Old Glory is flying again!
An update!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,566740,00.html