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Flying Dragon Productions ( Michael Bane ) => The Best Defense on My Outdoor TV => Topic started by: mydogtaz on October 15, 2009, 09:51:27 AM
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hello rob,have enjoyed the show and last night watched the dvd i got from the nra , "personal firearm defense" .very insightful and informative.being the son of a 25 year fhp lt. i was taught how to shoot and respect firearms at an early age.my current carry gun is a s&w cs45,which i find lightweight and very accurate for a compact 45.my long winded question is ,and i understand you can't recomend,nor am i asking you to,what paticular gun were you using in the video???it seemed to be very smooth and rapid fired rather easily.enjoed the dvd and the show,thanks...................
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If I recall, he has said in the past that because of his travel schedule he often winds up just using whatever is provided.
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Good morning, mdt. I appreciate you tuning in and visiting the forum here at DTV!
As Tom noted, I often use a variety of handguns in both the videos and in the TV segments. One reason is that I try to demonstrate that the skills we teach or demonstrate are not firearm dependent, another is the convenience of not traveling with a firearm to various locations. Of course, sometimes, I even use a sponsors gun to see how it performs and demonstrate with it as well for their benefit.
Personally, I prefer the Glock, M&P, XD type firearms because of their efficiency and reliability. FWIW, I have no experience with the CS45.
Whatever you choose, be sure to practice with it!
-RJP
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To continue in the vein of this thread, Do you have a preferred CALIBER ?
If so which and why ?
And for the rest, NO I am not trying to restart the whole 9/45/40 debate.
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No, I don't.
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I have a question of gun choice to carry placement. When or would you change carry placement tor gun choice?
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As an aside, the CS45 is one of the more underrated self-defense guns out there. My friend Bill Murphy swears by his. I have one redone by Wayne Novak that is a superb little gun.
Not stealing anything from Rob, but decide how you're going to carry the gun before you pick the gun...
mb
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Rob:
I really have enjoyed your new video series purchased from Personal Defense. While you stray from much of the personal defense dogma currently in vogue, I find the series insightful and well produced and what you say makes sense so I've been trying it on the range. As state, you seem to have a preference for the Glock/M&P/XD. However, I've traditionally carreid a CQB Compact from Wilson Combat (.45 ACP) although I have several Glocks and shoot them often as well. Based on your series, I 've begun carrying and training with a Glock 19 and Glock 26. I find the CQB easier to conceal although I'm fond of the Glocks as well. Is your preference for the Glock type pistol based solely on the fact that a 1911 requires you to manipulate the safety under stress or are their other factors that factor into your decision? FYI...I have traditionally shot from the Chapman stance; however, I tried the locked arm and squared stance you recommend in your series today (Isoscles?) and found I shot well if not better with that stance. Sorry to intrude on the Best Defense blog with a plug for your series but I've found it helpful. I look forward to the next video in the series.
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Thanks, WL.
The preference for modern designs is based foremost on the simplicity of use. Next, reliability for the money and effort. The last 3 day class I ran in OH a week or so ago was another example of what I see just about every time: A class full of Glocks and XDs, with one sig an one 1911. The 1911 Choked first and more often. Also had a finicky ejection issue that was causing a malfunction that wedged empty brass halfway back into an empty magazine (as the round was being hit by the front edge of the ejection port. One Glock had some problems, caused by a weak platform, also. So, on a percentage basis, the 1911's across the board are far less reliable. Lastly, you are right that the 1911's are often easier to carry (because they are thinner) and this is a big factor for some people. But, many times, you can carry significantly more firepower in a similar size package with a double stack type pistol.
I am glad that you are finding the DVDs helpful and that the recommended techniques are working for you!
-Rob
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The 1911 Choked first and more often. Also had a finicky ejection issue that was causing a malfunction that wedged empty brass halfway back into an empty magazine (as the round was being hit by the front edge of the ejection port.
I had this problem and it was due to the ejector which is staked in became loose. It only seemed to happen on the last round out of mag. but it made it very hard to rip out mag for a reload.
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Its funny..... just about every time I start thinking about how much I'd like to buy a 1911, The Pincus pops up and talks me out of it. You the man, Rob!
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I'd be interested to find out what brand of 1911 it was before I discount them all, carte blanche!
My Para is getting nice and buttery smooth, shoots every time, ejects every time, feeds every time. Clean or dirty, different mags and so far, every brand of ammo I've fed it! Right now, I'm doing my own little torture test on it and it's working flawlessly.
Just lucky? I don't know but a $2500 Wilson or Kimber or (insert high-end 1911 here _______) may not be so consistant.
Don't discount a gun based on one guys opinion, form your own!
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I've yet to have a problem with my $360 Rock Island Armory 1911.
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I have, uhm, several 1911s from most of the major manufacturers and have had zero, zip, ziltch, nada, none operational problems. That stupid Paracoat, or whatever it is called, is flaking off one of my Paras but that is it. Of course that is with regular 230gr ball or SD loads and not some lightweight reduced recoil sissified target load. YMMV.
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Yea, my Paracoat is getting a few scratches too. I wrote them about upgrading to another finish, no answer as of yet.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking $2500 guns but I personally would rather spend $2500 on four or five new guns than just the one! I've handled a few high end guns, shot a few as well, other than great triggers, I don't see the point! I need a gun to work, period! How much it costs is secondary!
I'm comfortable with a 1911, like an old pair of boots or a great pair of old jeans. Would I ever buy a Glock or M&P? Sure, but they would have to be proven like any other gun before I'm going to trust my life to it!
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I have a few Glocks and 1911s. No problems from any of them. I love them all and I'm wanting more. :)
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Its funny..... just about every time I start thinking about how much I'd like to buy a 1911, The Pincus pops up and talks me out of it. You the man, Rob!
You need one anyway...don't let the Pincus distract you! Whether or not you end up carrying it or not a 1911 is a real nice piece of machinery to be enjoyed, even if it's just at the range.
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Keep in mind that I have at least 8 single action type pistols.... One of which I would trust with my life. I have zero-problemo with anyone adding any type of firearm to their collection. Choosing to carry any gun before taking it through a defensive type course and really having a chance to run it in context wouldn't be advised, however.
MMHV.
-RJP
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Keep in mind that I have at least 8 single action type pistols.... One of which I would trust with my life. I have zero-problemo with anyone adding any type of firearm to their collection. Choosing to carry any gun before taking it through a defensive type course and really having a chance to run it in context wouldn't be advised, however.
MMHV.
-RJP
There's the thing! Carry is one thing but owning one is a must. I respect Rob's expertise and he has 8 SA pistols, so they must be cool. BUT- he doesn't prefer them for carry. If you don't have at least one, though, you miss out on the joy of the essence of the 1911.
It's also notable that this type of pistol may experience more failures in a defensive course situation where a lot of rounds are being fired, and that's part of Rob's opinion. However, a self defense incident probably won't involve more than a few rounds. If you are competent with your well maintained pistol it should function as required in such an incident and it is most important what you are comfortable and competent with.
Fact is, though, the 1911 is a work of art, and can be appreciated as such.
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Looking for a smaller cc pistol. I live in Phoenix and cc is difficult. I have a Glock 19 and a Kimber 1911 but they are not comfortable for cc. I no longer travel with a brief case to carry it in. My question is I have been looking at the Walther PPS and the Taurus 709 Slim. I am concerned about recoil in the Walther PPS .40 cal. as I have artheritis (sp) In your opinion is the 9 mm with the right ammo alright for defence. thank you
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Looking for a smaller cc pistol. I live in Phoenix and cc is difficult. I have a Glock 19 and a Kimber 1911 but they are not comfortable for cc. I no longer travel with a brief case to carry it in. My question is I have been looking at the Walther PPS and the Taurus 709 Slim. I am concerned about recoil in the Walther PPS .40 cal. as I have artheritis (sp) In your opinion is the 9 mm with the right ammo alright for defence. thank you
I can only speak for myself, but I have carried a 9mm with Hydra-Shock ammo every day for the past 8 years, and have never given a second thought to betting my life on it.
I know we can get into a whole 9/40/45 argument, and have on here before, but in my opinion, a 9mm is a suitable choice for a defensive cartridge.
That being said, the ideal carry gun is the one you'll carry with you EVERY day, since the best .45 will be ineffective at saving your life if it's at home in the gun safe when you need it.
YMMV
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I can only speak for myself, but I have carried a 9mm with Hydra-Shock ammo every day for the past 8 years, and have never given a second thought to betting my life on it.
I know we can get into a whole 9/40/45 argument, and have on here before, but in my opinion, a 9mm is a suitable choice for a defensive cartridge.
That being said, the ideal carry gun is the one you'll carry with you EVERY day, since the best .45 will be ineffective at saving your life if it's at home in the gun safe when you need it.
YMMV
Your mileage WILL NOT vary on that last line, a .32 in the pocket beats a cannon in the gun safe EVERY time.
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Thank you for your comments on the 9 mm. Also what about recoil in the small frame Walther pps .40 cal. Any one own or have comments on the quailty of the Walther PPS and Taurus 709 Slim. Thanks