The Down Range Forum
Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: alfsauve on October 29, 2009, 09:33:04 PM
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I confess, I'm a junkie when it comes to aerial photos. I've spent countless hours searching through satellites photos around airports/bases for pictures of planes caught in mid-air. I find interesting structures on the ground and want to know what they are. Part of my military background (navigator to pilot: is that Miami Beach or Daytona down there?)
Anyway, I have a friend moving to Moyock, NC and she will live near BlackwaterUSA. So I was "perusing" her new neighborhood and I came across this picture. Any ideas?
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=36.549483,-76.258206&spn=0.007361,0.013304&t=h&z=16 (http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=36.549483,-76.258206&spn=0.007361,0.013304&t=h&z=16)
Doesn't look like there are any guard gates. The interior fencing doesn't go 360degrees, but is open at the 1o'clock position. Some people can park inside the circle but some can't. 1,500' WNW are gun ranges and 1,500' N of the ranges are some serious sat dishes. And it sits right on VA/NC border.
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I confess, I'm a junkie when it comes to aerial photos. I've spent countless hours searching through satellites photos around airports/bases for pictures of planes caught in mid-air. I find interesting structures on the ground and want to know what they are. Part of my military background (navigator to pilot: is that Miami Beach or Daytona down there?)
Anyway, I have a friend moving to Moyock, NC and she will live near BlackwaterUSA. So I was "perusing" her new neighborhood and I came across this picture. Any ideas?
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=36.549483,-76.258206&spn=0.007361,0.013304&t=h&z=16 (http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=36.549483,-76.258206&spn=0.007361,0.013304&t=h&z=16)
Doesn't look like there are any guard gates. The interior fencing doesn't go 360degrees, but is open at the 1o'clock position. Some people can park inside the circle but some can't. 1,500' WNW are gun ranges and 1,500' N of the ranges are some serious sat dishes. And it sits right on VA/NC border.
You do realize someone will be slipping into your bedroom window at 3am for your post and commentary, right? ;)
FQ13
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Here is what I found:
Naval Support Activity
Chesapeake, VA
As to what they really do - who knows...
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Naval Support Activity
Chesapeake, VA
I saw those annotations on the map. And the initial are "NSA".....hmmm? The sat dishes could be for communicating with ships, but the circle area ? ? ?
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I've emailed my brother, a retired Naval Officer who at one time was roaming the country reviewing bases for closure. I'll see what he says, if he can say anything... He spent nearly ten years in and around the Norfolk and VA Beach area.
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I saw those annotations on the map. And the initial are "NSA".....hmmm? The sat dishes could be for communicating with ships, but the circle area ? ? ?
It's called a free-fire zone.
And did the pilot respond back "Nav, you don't know where we are? We are sooooo screwed!!!" ;D
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Another internet mapping site, Bing.com/maps, identifies this as US Navy Northwest Radio Station.
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Another internet mapping site, Bing.com/maps, identifies this as US Navy Northwest Radio Station.
Deep Space Radar Telemetry! If only the weekly World News was still around. ;D
FQ13 who is looking for his pack or Morleys
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"The truth is out there."
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Big bro's reply.....
Translation: HFDF = High frequency direction finding - COMSTA = Communications Station = CT Communications Technician (Spook) - NavSecGru - Naval Security Group
"That's what was called Northwest Radio Station back in the old days... I think it was originally a Comsta. Somewhere along the way it became a spook HFDF site - that's the circle. It was a NavSecGru asset when I was at Dam Neck... one of the guys I worked with knew someone at Northwest (CT type) and used to be able hunt down there. No civilians and extremely restrictive for the military so they had deer running around in swarms...
Looking at the google shot, I'm not seeing a lot of antenna's in the HFDF circle... but it looks like the concrete bases are still there. I suspect most of the HF stuff is gone from military comms and secgru stuff - replaced by them there big dishes and cellular towers...
Pretty darn good resolution... didn't have overhead imagery near that good when I was chasing bad guys, much less in color...
Mikey"
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Isn't "Naval Security Group" the official designation for the Seals ?
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Isn't "Naval Security Group" the official designation for the Seals ?
Never heard that one...Seal - "SEa, Air and Land"
As of 2005 all NAVSECGRU Commands have been renamed "Navy Information Operations Commands" (NIOCs)
Naval Security Groups no longer exist after 70 years.
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It was Naval Special Warfare Devepment Group I was thinking of.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy_Special_Warfare_Development_Group
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Been around that area when I lived in NC, and there is a bunch of "nothing" in that part of the state, with a lowly insignificant gate, down a gravel road cut right through the scrub and pine, graded, compacted, and just keeps going.
One could hide, or make a military installation very easily out there. Even if it's a military weather installation, or they have a couple quick launch ICBM's in there.
Guaranteed NOT open to the public.
Sunny Point military terminal on the Cape Fear River, is one of the largest weapons storage facilities on the east coast. It is marked on the pilings a 1/2 mile away, on the river, and patrolled by fully armed 50 caliber gunboats 24/7. They run off everybody, even the good ol' boys in a jon boat flounder fishing.
They also have NO sense of humor, and don't discriminate, they HATE EVERYONE not authorized to be there.
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I say. DOG TRACK!
(http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0WTbx._c.tKlkIBT5qjzbkF/SIG=12cseh4mu/EXP=1257030975/**http%3A//www.dogflu.ca/images/greyhound_dog_racing_ban.jpg)
Put 20 on the one that just took a big piss for me! ;D
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Crap, I was wrong. This is it on Streets & Trips.
(http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww40/BigCheeseStick/radio.jpg?t=1256945549)
"Naval Radio Station"
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Far better resolution here.
http://www.bing.com/maps/default.aspx?cp=36.549657%7c-76.257969&style=h&lvl=13&v=1
alfsauve, click on 3D while at that site. You'll pee yourself. ;)
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I thought I'd already answered this......
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I thought I'd already answered this......
He likes arial photos... He'll love the 3d thing!
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I thought I'd already answered this......
It only brings up more questions. If all the antennas are missing why are all those cars there? Maybe we just can see the "wires" and it's still active as a HF direction finding. Of course, like WSB AM radio maybe there transmitting clandestine codes or they are one of those "numbers" stations.
And what is that 1500' wnw? I thought they were firing bays for a shooting range.
[I'm downloading the 3d sw tonight]
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The name of the road northeast of the weird circular object is very fitting for this forum. ::)
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Shotgun Rd. - cute.
Look also at the long, straight edifice along the road running across the north of the site. I thought it was a fence at first, then I realized it ended without corners. Hmmmmmm.
cough - antenna - cough
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It's quite possible that the vehicles in and around the facility are contractors that are dismantling the facility or other such thing.
One thing my brother found during his travels around the country during his base closure visits is that most of the larger military installations are considered Superfund sites loaded with toxic materials or other contaminants.
We have one right here in MA at Ft Devens. Most of the base was decomissioned but a sizable hunk of it will be in government hands for some decades due to the amount of crap the Army buried there over the decades.
Just a thought.
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It's quite possible that the vehicles in and around the facility are contractors that are dismantling the facility or other such thing.
One thing my brother found during his travels around the country during his base closure visits is that most of the larger military installations are considered Superfund sites loaded with toxic materials or other contaminants.
We have one right here in MA at Ft Devens. Most of the base was decomissioned but a sizable hunk of it will be in government hands for some decades due to the amount of crap the Army buried there over the decades.
Just a thought.
Not to mention the Ammo we dumped in the river because it was less hassle than turning it back in.
Actually MY Battery ALWAYS had volunteers to shoot up the extra, but I heard of other units doing that.
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The joys of a decomisoned miltary base. Lead, depleted uranium rounds, dumped diesel fuel, sundry vehicle parts, and the list goes on. I have no problem with the troops doing all these things as they have more important jobs than being green in the PC sense of the term. Still, I wouldn't want to be in charge of cleaning up the mess.
FQ13
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Sorry guys but I'm going to have to rain on your parade.
First off, yes it WAS a cryppy DF post but has been shut down for a while. It is NOT being dismantled though.
The facility has been turned into classrooms for the Center for Anti-Terrorism/Naval Security Forces CENATNSF .
They teach VBSS (Vessel Baording Search and Siezure) to non-SEALs, Anti-Terrorism Officer/Training Supervisor, and Crew Served Weapons. I went there a couple years ago for the ATO course. It was pretty funny to park in VA and go into NC for class, the border is literally at the fenceline. Most of the instructors, at the time, were Active/retired Navy and Blackwater guys.
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Cool.....
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Thank you for posting this,
comrade...I mean, good friend. This has been very helpful in helping myself and my infiltration team...Moose Brothers Lodge in planning our next mission....fishing trip.... 8)
;D
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Seeker two, Funny post but the pathetic part is the Russians know more about what our Govt. has going on than we do.