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Member Section => Tactical Rifle & Carbine => Topic started by: dipisc on October 31, 2009, 04:03:18 PM
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Hello to all;
I have been noticing some Federal Ammo at the ranges that have the ID stamping like that of the Blazer Ammo stamping. My 2 questions are:
1; Is Federal possibly subcontracting ammo supplies through Blazer ?
2; If so is this brass safe for reloading ?
I did e-mail Federal last week about this and have recieved no reply as of yet. Does anyone here know if this is going on ( subcontracting ) ?
Steve
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Federal's budget brand is American Eagle and they use brass cases. All Blazers use the aluminum case which cannot be reloaded. I don't reload but if I did, I'd make sure of what I was using and discard anything that looked questionable.
Good Luck.
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Federal's budget brand is American Eagle and they use brass cases. All Blazers use the aluminum case which cannot be reloaded. I don't reload but if I did, I'd make sure of what I was using and discard anything that looked questionable.
Good Luck.
Not all Blazers are aluminum.
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What does the headstamp say?
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I would like a pic too of the headstamp. As Dave has shown, Blazer is available in brass now and is reloadable.
I don't condone it, but in a survival scenario, is possible. I have an friend that has a Mac 10, legal full auto, in .45 acp, and he has been reloading Blazer aluminum for years, He uses Lee dies and when resizing, just punches a third flash hole right through the center, as Blazer is berdan primed. This is for information only, I have not done it and would only do so for experimentation, with a firearm I did not care that much about, for future use.
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Not all Blazers are aluminum.
I stand corrected, I've never seen it around here so I never checked their site.
Whoops! :-[
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I stand corrected, I've never seen it around here so I never checked their site.
Whoops! :-[
I've never seen it around here either (northern CA) I bought it at a Walmart in Cody, WY.in June of this year. The clerk (who actually seemed quite knowledgeable) said it was something Blazer had recently come out with and it is reloadable.
This is what their website says:
ECONOMIC RELIABILITY. Blazer® Brass brings shooters the reliability and quality of ammunition built to SAAMI standards, and is backed by stringent ISO certified quality systems. Blazer Brass is loaded in reloadable brass cases for added value. Standard Boxer-type primers and primer pockets mean you can reload Blazer Brass cases just like any other case. Blazer Brass is loaded with a protected-base FMJ bullet. CCI® primers insure reliable ignition, and we load clean-burning propellants. Blazer Brass is available in 9mm Luger, 380 Auto, 38 Special, 357 Magnum, 40 S&W, and 45 Auto calibers with standard-weight bullets.
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blazer ammo in brass use to be called "lawmen"
When the price of AL went up, it was not worth producing it.
I've shot a bunch of lawmen/ blazer brass over the years.
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Back when I had a .357 I used a lot of that lawman ammo. It was as good as any other ammo IMO. I wouldn't hesitate to use blazer brass in any gun.
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I thought Speer makes Lawman................ I guess Blazer and Speer are both ATK after looking them up.
Learn something every day.
ATK Companies:
Federal Premium and Estate Cartridge ammunition
CCI, Speer, Lawman, and Blazer ammunition
Gunslick, Outers and Shooters Ridge gun care and shooting accessories
RCBS reloading equipment
Champion clay targets
Weaver mounting systems
Alliant Powder and gun powders for sporting re-loaders and ammunition manufacturers
Eagle Industries law enforcement tactical accessories
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yep both ATK.
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Every ammo machine has been running 24/7 since the great one got elected. Now that they have SOME leeway, they seem to be running 24/7 on their best margin product.
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Never had a problem with CCI Blazer Brass or Aluminum. target ammo. In 9mm, 40 S&W, or 45ACP.
The only thing my Ruger 10/22 is finicky with is American Eagle 22LR. All other calibers work fine.
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I purchased a ton of Blazer Brass in .45 ACP back when Wal-Mart carried it for $9.98 @ box. I still have several thousand rounds of it. Good clean shooting stuff. I save the brass because I reload everything. All of the stuff I have is head stamped "FEDERAL .45 ACP", with no reference to Blazer on the cartridge itself. Bill T.
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I purchased a ton of Blazer Brass in .45 ACP back when Wal-Mart carried it for $9.98 @ box. I still have several thousand rounds of it. Good clean shooting stuff. I save the brass because I reload everything. All of the stuff I have is head stamped "FEDERAL .45 ACP", with no reference to Blazer on the cartridge itself. Bill T.
The Blazer Brass .45ACP and 9mm that I purchased earlier this yr are both labeled 'Blazer".
At work today one of the operators came up to me with a round and asked me if I'd seen one before. It happened to be a .38 sp in Blazer aluminum and I said yes but I've never bought or used them. He said "don't" as about half the ones he has shot have split the case and it's like shooting duds.
The head was stamped CCI. Oh, he mentioned he thought it must be good as it had "Made in the USA" on the box!
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I've shot thousands of rounds of Blazer and never had any problem with the aluminum case. No duds either that I can remember. Maybe I'm just lucky.
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I thought Speer Lawman was basically ball ammo loaded with the same weight bullet and charge as the more costly performance rounds to allow for cheaper practice.
I have seen the Blazer Brass available at wally World in the midwest.
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Years ago the Speer Lawman ammo I had for my .357 was all 125 softpoints and 110 penta-points. The hollowpoint was a perfect pentagon. It was good ammo.
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I'm going to ask the guy with the split casings and "duds" to bring them in so I can see them.
Actually I'll try shooting some if he wants to give them up so that I can form my own opinion.
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spilt AL casings? I find that really hard to beleave unless they were reloaded, drasticly under sized, or in oversized chambers.
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What's interesting is now Wal-Mart sells Federal "Champion" 9 MM FMJ, (dark maroon box), for $9.47 @ box. It was $8.99 up until a few weeks ago. That's cheaper than Blazer Brass sells for at most places. It would be interesting to know who produces what for whom in the ammunition industry. I'm sure there is a lot of component "horse trading" going around since these ammo companies have been running their production lines balls to the wall for this entire year. It's hard to believe Hussein was elected a year ago tomorrow already. Time flies. Bill T.