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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: bestseller92 on November 01, 2009, 07:22:34 PM
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In the new issue of "Backwoods Home" magazine (Nov./Dec.'09), Massad Ayoob writes, in his article entitled "The All American 1911 Pistol", that "Ruger is ready to introduce a low-priced, high quality 1911."
Does anyone have any info on this, as to a release date?
If Ruger puts out a 1911 with the right price point, I am THERE.
I do love Rugers!
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It's news to me but it's what I was expecting when MB was building the suspense for their AR clone.
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Ruger's been "pushing" the envelope on caliber and design variety. The LCR, LCP, SR556, the SR22,,...
Why Not a 1911?
I prefer their revolvers, and 10/22's, but they are a solid American manufacturer.
The more the better. But the price point needs to be right, especially in a 1911 market. Para's GI is just dandy and not the $1000 varieties that are out there as well.
If Ruger prices to high, IMHO, folks will go to a longer track record, Kimber, Springfield, Para, etc,..
Too low, and it could bite them as a "cheap" knock off like the Llama.
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I think that knowledgeable folks know that Ruger>Llama (thought I did have a Llama .357 a few years back that was a good gun).
I'll ditch my Springfield in a heartbeat to get a Ruger 1911, if the price is right.
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I'll ditch my Springfield in a heartbeat to get a Ruger 1911, if the price is right.
Never "ditch" a Springfield 1911, keep it and get the Ruger also. ::)
The Springfield's have never had a recall on "new" designs of an old platform...
Just don't let the SR9 word get out,...or the LCP,...
People are "touchy" about the "pistol that shall not be named",....
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Ruger finally jumps on the bandwagon. Big whoopee.
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not something I would buy... Just like I would never buy a car the 1st few years of production...
anyways, if its less then $500 then it might sell. If not, there are pelenty of other proven guns out there in the 500-1000 range.
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IMO,
Ruger would have to equal or beat the quality of a STI Spartan for it to be something really newsworthy. For $600 that pistol beats the tar out of 1911s at similar price points; a lot of quality for the money.
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I think that Ruger would have to price a 1911 around $500 or $600 if they made one just because of their buyers.
If Ruger came out with one at a price at $400 or less, people would remember the LCP, the SR-9 and ask what's going to go wrong with it. It has to be inferrior or else they'd price it higher.
If Ruger priced it at $700 or higher, people would say that Ruger was out of their mind and bring up Kimber and the like.
Personally, After hearing MB's talk about his friend's 1911, I'd go with a Rock Island Armory one myself.
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Based on what they did with their 556, they might just buy parts and put them together, mark them with the Ruger logo and stick them in a box.
Don't get me wrong, I love Ruger firearms but there are so many decent players in that market it just doesn't make sense to retool to make parts when their focus has been on plastic for the last couple of years.
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AAARGH! And again AAARGH! Look, I know Ruger has never been an innovator. They made their bones by taking existing designs and making them stronger and cheaper. This is true from their SA revolvers to the mini-14 to the 10/22 to the LCP to their AR. Still, do we need, or even want another 1911? Are the 400 different different models out there not enough? The damn thing is pushing a hundred years old. Is it too much to ask that a company that can drop a seven figure budget on their R@D department to be able to come up with something new and innovative? Honestly, if I want a 1911, I'll buy Tarus if I'm on a budget or Springfield or Para if I'm flush. I would not spend a second lamenting the lack of a Ruger in the marketplace. Where is caseless ammo? Where is a round that is small, but goes in like a penny and out like a pizza? Where is a pistol that will let you change calibers by changing uppers? Where is innovation? If the best Ruger can do is a "hey guys, wait up, I've got one too" 1911, I will be dissapointed.
FQ13 who would like to see someone do something new
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They should take the time and money to design an auto gun that people actually like instead of the crap they put out now.
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The Springfield's have never had a recall on "new" designs of an old platform...
At our range, they got a shipment of foreign-made Springfield 1911's in .45 that all had 9mm firing pins installed.
I still like them, but I'd love a Ruger 1911 that is similar to Para's expert, but not made in Canada. Let's see if they get it California approved.
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I think that Ruger would have to price a 1911 around $500 or $600 if they made one just because of their buyers.
If Ruger came out with one at a price at $400 or less, people would remember the LCP, the SR-9 and ask what's going to go wrong with it. It has to be inferrior or else they'd price it higher.
If Ruger priced it at $700 or higher, people would say that Ruger was out of their mind and bring up Kimber and the like.
Personally, After hearing MB's talk about his friend's 1911, I'd go with a Rock Island Armory one myself.
I swear by mine 1 big hole on the 1st mag and 3 more mags into that hole at 25 yards out of the box. 1500 rounds zero problems. All I have done is yellow nail polish on the front sight, Hogue grips and recently an extended thumb safety.
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AAARGH! And again AAARGH! Look, I know Ruger has never been an innovator. They made their bones by taking existing designs and making them stronger and cheaper. This is true from their SA revolvers to the mini-14 to the 10/22 to the LCP to their AR. Still, do we need, or even want another 1911? Are the 400 different different models out there not enough? The damn thing is pushing a hundred years old. Is it too much to ask that a company that can drop a seven figure budget on their R@D department to be able to come up with something new and innovative? Honestly, if I want a 1911, I'll buy Tarus if I'm on a budget or Springfield or Para if I'm flush. I would not spend a second lamenting the lack of a Ruger in the marketplace. Where is caseless ammo? Where is a round that is small, but goes in like a penny and out like a pizza? Where is a pistol that will let you change calibers by changing uppers? Where is innovation? If the best Ruger can do is a "hey guys, wait up, I've got one too" 1911, I will be dissapointed.
FQ13 who would like to see someone do something new
The design is already over a hundred years old.......JMB was working on the design before 1900....1911 is just when the US military actually adopted it as their sidearm...........
And, for the record, IMO, you can never have too many 1911's. ;) ;D ;D ;D
In theory, the more competition out there should bring prices down.......but I guess the demand is enough to keep them up.
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At our range, they got a shipment of foreign-made Springfield 1911's in .45 that all had 9mm firing pins installed.
I still like them, but I'd love a Ruger 1911 that is similar to Para's expert, but not made in Canada. Let's see if they get it California approved.
Fuzz, Para moved to the US a couple years ago.
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Fuzz, Para moved to the US a couple years ago.
Yep, Charlotte, NC.
Hey Tom, I think they are looking for machine operators. ;)
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No, I sent them a resume ;D
I even sent one to Armalite, though I would NEVER move back to Ca.
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The design is already over a hundred years old.......JMB was working on the design before 1900....1911 is just when the US military actually adopted it as their sidearm...........
And, for the record, IMO, you can never have too many 1911's. ;) ;D ;D ;D
yes you can... but thats a easy fix, just build a vualt ;D
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Go Ruger!
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I swear by mine 1 big hole on the 1st mag and 3 more mags into that hole at 25 yards out of the box. 1500 rounds zero problems. All I have done is yellow nail polish on the front sight, Hogue grips and recently an extended thumb safety.
My Rock Island is an awesome gun. I don't have laser grips on it yet though.
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I'd take a long, hard look at it. I really like Ruger's SA and DA revolvers and my Mark II, but I'm not too fond of their other semi-auto pistols.
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I read this thread with interest. But does anyone KNOW FOR SURE that Ruger is going to do a 1911?
For the record, although I have not bought one, I think the Ruger 345 is a fine pistol. I see Mas Ayoob packs one often on TV.
Tom, I think that many NH police agencies pack them as well. Is that right? Our guys here in Michigan seem to carry SIGs or Glocks. But I think I read that Detroit is switching to S&W M&P.
From a post I made long ago and won a Ruger shirt for, I think Ruger is a fine company that really stands behind their products. I have a few Rugers, rifles and shotguns, and think they are great. The Ruger No. 1 in 7x57 is my favorite deer rifle. It is perfect for how I hunt.
I do not have any Ruger pistols or revolvers, but I do have pistols from that other New Hampshire company - SIG SAUER. BTW don't try to tell me that SIG is a German Company, I have been to the SIG factory in Epping, NH and watched them make pistols in the USA. I have a German P6 which is the only one I have that was not made here.
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Bill, as far as I know, most NH police agencies use either Glock or Sig.
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If they do come out with one I'll have one more gun to add to the WANT list. The Rugers Ive owned all have been TANK SOLID.
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It wouldn't suprise me if Ruger already cast 1911 frames for other companies at their casting facility. I have heard that their P89 series of pistols, while not pretty are reliable and built like a tank.
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. I have heard that their P89 series of pistols, while not pretty are reliable and built like a tank.
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That would describe every Ruger ever built (with the possible exception of the LCP). The thing is, I have no doubt that Ruger could build a good 1911. That's a given. The thing is,do we need another one? Will they beat Taurus or Rock Island (corrected courtesy of Blackwolfe) on price and reliability for the dollar? Will they beat Para or Kimber on accuracy and aesthetics? Survey says no. Why not do something new? Ammo, machining, components, and CAD tech have all advanced significantly sice JMB put the first 1911 toghther by candle light. Can we please, maybe, come up with something new? I mean honestly, we are not talking about a mom and pop shop here. Use your resources to innovate, not imitate.
FQ13
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. I have heard that their P89 series of pistols, while not pretty are reliable and built like a tank.
That would describe every Ruger ever built (with the possible exception of the LCP). The thing is, I have no doubt that Ruger could build a good 1911. That's a given. The thing is,do we need another one? Will they beat Taurus or Rock River on price and reliability for the dollar? Will they beat Para or Kimber on accuracy and aesthetics? Survey says no. Why not do something new? Ammo, machining, components, and CAD tech have all advanced significantly sice JMB put the first 1911 toghther by candle light. Can we please, maybe, come up with something new? I mean honestly, we are not talking about a mom and pop shop here. Use your resources to innovate, not imitate.
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Quaker, I think you mean Rock Island. Rock River is not building 1911s at this time and their's were pricey, and I assume very good.
Why not a 1911? There is a big demand for 1911 pistols, why not get a little of that market for low R&D cost? Many would buy one because it says Ruger on it. About a year before the SR556 was public knowledge I wondered if they were working on an AR style rifle. I recieved a catalog from them that had some Ruger branded AR accesories in it. Haven't seen anything like that for a 1911 though.
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Why not a 1911? There is a big demand for 1911 pistols, why not get a little of that market for low R&D cost? Many would buy one because it says Ruger on it.
Yep, people will buy it.... Yes, there are a bunch of different 1911s out there, but the demand side of the equation still has not been fully met. Hell, just the number of 1911 officianatos out there that would buy one just to add it to their collection would make it worth getting into the market..... Not because it says Ruger on it, but because it says 1911 on it ;)
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First, thanks for the correction. I did mean Rock Island, and if I were to buy a 1911 tomorrow, that would be my choice. I like the price and I like old school design, and the reviews are great. Likewise I have no doubt Ruger can make a buck selling a mid-grade 1911. That's what they do, and they do it well. Still, how nice would it be if they took the concept of interchageable uppers from ARs and applied it to pistols? A 9mm, .357 Sig, .22, 10mm, .40, just interchange them. Its like their AR, its nice, but there are a lot of GPUs, like Addax, that I would look at as well. If they had produced a mini-14 that took AR mags or a mini-30 that took AKs, I would own one. I would not complain if someone gave me a Ruger 1911, but if I were to go shopping for one, it wouldn't be the first one I looked at either.
FQ13
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What possible "inovation" could Ruger bring to a platform that's been the Chevy 350 of pistols for very near 100 years now? I love some of Ruger's weapon's, but... I agree with the earlier statement of. I'd be very dispointed if it's just a "hey guy's look! I've got one to!".
Now if GLOCK came out with a 1911!!! THAT I'd like to see! ;D
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Doing a quick read thru of this thread and haven't seen it mentioned (not that it isn't here) but if Ruger puts out a modular SS similar to STI's Hi Cap (which I'm sure STI has thought about) I would take a close look at it if the price was right. I might look if it was a poly framed 1911 also (after a year or so).
Richard
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Just because the 100-yr anniversary of the 1911 is coming up, Ruger should produce a model. Price it around $700, maybe $600 street, and I'd definitely choose a Ruger over a Taurus.