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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: huntnelk on November 04, 2009, 11:25:58 PM
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I am new to the forum, but love the show. I have searched the past forums and havent found the info I am seeking. I am a wheelgun man at heart but currently have a 24/7 pro compact for my cc weapon. I like the pistol but hate the fact that aftermarket items are a little hard to find. Can I get some opinions on the Glock 27 or the XD compact as far as comfort is concerned. I know that both weapons have there finer points I just havent been around them and there isn't a range were I can rent one anywhere close. Maybe I should just stick to a wheelgun? Any help would be great!! Thanks again. Scott
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Hmm.. well what aftermarket items are you looking for / wanting?... and which one has them avaliable? The Glock or the XD. Umm, I'm also wondering if your a wheelgun man at heart why aren't you wondering about a small revolver..i.e. j-frame etc.. but then again.. you may have one already if you are a wheelgunner at heart. Anyway, if you read some other posts on here you will soon realize that I am a huge Glock fan. I have a Glock 27 that I do love to carry. I've owned an XD before too and they are fine weapons also. The G27 is not always as comfortable to carry as a j-frame type small revolver or a Ruger LCP..etc. But, depending on how you do carry it.. the G27 is still as comfortable or more comfortable than most other handguns out there. It is a tad on the thick side.. so if you carry with an inside the waist holster.. it's gonna grouge and bulge some and you are going to feel it...especially when you sit down etc. But, if it is carried in a regular belt holster ..type holster...outside the hip etc.. it's small ..rides comfortably and you won't notice it as much. Same applies to ankle or shoulder holsters. I think it would be more conceable and comfortable than the Taurus 24/7's I've held and shot. In a nutshell.. the G27 or the XD compact ..either..will be okay..carried in some ways.. and not so much if carried in others. And you have to consider personal preferences.. What way/s are you comfortable carrying? What weather climate? (winter carry vs.. summer carry etc.) What works for you? What do you want?.... There are many things to consider etc. Dunno if that helps you any or not. BTW, welcome to the forums. :)
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Wheel gunz iz real gunz! I'd get a nice three or 4 inch barrel .357 and be done with it. If you can find a Ruger or older (pre-lock) S&W that would be my choice.
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Wheel gunz iz real gunz! I'd get a nice three or 4 inch barrel .357 and be done with it. If you can find a Ruger or older (pre-lock) S&W that would be my choice.
You old fart.
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Both sides heard from now lets get on with it!
LOL
Richard
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Glock 26 ;)
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=1896.0
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huntnelk, welcome to the forum!!
Don't know where abouts you are in Wy. but in Ft.Collins, Co. There is a great little gun shop with a indoor range that will let you shoot the gun or guns your interested in buying.
Rocky Moutain Shooters Supply
3507 E. Mullberry street
970-221-5133
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You old fart.
Yeah, but I do it so well!
;D
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huntnelk, welcome to the forum!!
Don't know where abouts you are in Wy. but in Ft.Collins, Co. There is a great little gun shop with a indoor range that will let you shoot the gun or guns your interested in buying.
Rocky Moutain Shooters Supply
3507 E. Mullberry street
970-221-5133
That is a great suggestion..... Go give them all a shake down at the same time and see what works best for you.
I will say again, give the Glock 26 a good long hard look. It is by far the most perfect form of "perfection" they have achieved and it is your best bet for a concealed carry Glock. 10+1 rds of 9mm will get the job done, plus it is also a lot more conducive to concealed carry -- the total package is about an ounce lighter. The practice ammo is also a lot cheaper. IMO, there is not a really big performance gain in .40 vs 9mm. If you really feel that you need more power then 9mm just go ahead and make the jump all the way up to .45
*BTW - Glocks are considerably lighter then XDs -- 19.75 oz vs 26 oz
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Thanks for all the info. Shooter i live about 4hrs from Fort Collins but go there once in awhile. I think that I may just hold out for a bit and go down there and shoot a few. If all else fails I'll just stick with a wheelgun. Thanks again
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Glocks are great but I would wait for the Gen. 4 to come out next year if your go that route. But I would also suggest you take a look at the M&P40c or the 9c. the ergonomics are great, their available now, and you get a couple more rounds than the glock. ;D more is better right ;D ;D
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If you prefer Revolvers that is what I would stick with.
If you feel you MUST get a semi auto, I would suggest one that most closely duplicates your revolver trigger. I went with a 1911, which is most like the trigger pull of a revolver fired single action.
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I've had excellent service from my G27 for almost 6 years. Carry it every day in an OWB belt holster (SERPA). With a Pearce mag extension you can get 10 +1 rounds, but I only use the Pearce +1 extensions on my spare mags because the gun conceals better with the factory mag in place.
At times I have wished that I had went with the .45ACP (G30?), but do not feel under-gunned with the .40.
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I've owned three Glocks in my life. A gen 1 G17, A gen 2 G19 (which I still own) and a gen 3 G26. All have accurate enough (ten rounds in 5 inches at 15 yards) all have been safe enough I never worried about sticking them in a backpack or in my pocket with a loaded chamber, and they never failed to go bang. You could probably say the same about a Smith J frame, or a ruger. I just prefer pistols to revolvers, but that's just me. Either way you're good, but you will never regret owning a Glock. I am on board with Eric though. Why buy a G 27 and have to pay a lot more for ammo when the diference between 9mm and .40 is minimal? I'd go G26.
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I've owned three Glocks in my life. A gen 1 G17, A gen 2 G19 (which I still own) and a gen 3 G26. All have accurate enough (ten rounds in 5 inches at 15 yards) all have been safe enough I never worried about sticking them in a backpack or in my pocket with a loaded chamber, and they never failed to go bang. You could probably say the same about a Smith J frame, or a ruger. I just prefer pistols to revolvers, but that's just me. Either way you're good, but you will never regret owning a Glock. I am on board with Eric though. Why buy a G 27 and have to pay a lot more for ammo when the diference between 9mm and .40 is minimal? I'd go G26.
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That all depends on ammo availability in your area.....actually, in my particular area, .40 S&W ammo is the only handgun ammo in large supply. Gun shops, wally's world, all have .40 when they don't have anything else.
That works for me, but YMMV.
Check around first.
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Peg, did you ever think that maybe it's because no one else wants it ? ;D
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Peg, did you ever think that maybe it's because no one else wants it ? ;D
Actually, yes I did..........but since I have a G27....more for me. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Actually, yes I did..........but since I have a G27....more for me. ;D ;D ;D ;D
And no one asking if you have a couple "extra" boxes ;D
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And no one asking if you have a couple "extra" boxes ;D
The twyacht Charitable Ammo Donation Drive is alive and well, for those that wish to contribute,.... all calibers welcome.. ::)
To the OP, 9mm vs. .40 is an age old debate.,.... Conclusion?
.40 S&W is a great SD round, available in many compact platforms by many manufacturers.
9mm is cheaper ammo, and premium SD rounds are just fine for carry by the same manufacturers.
Either way,
Shot placement is THE deciding factor regardless of caliber.
So, huntnelk, welcome to DRTV, consider all the variables that apply to you and what you want out of a small semi-auto, more rounds.? reliability? ease of use? cost? durability? recoil? maintenance?
You are already are a wheelgun fan, and IMHO, a good revolver with good training and practice, is all you need unless you live in a really bad area, even than, they have speedloaders...
So shop around, test drive what you can, read reviews, post specific model, make questions here, (someone will have one, or had one), read the DRTV reviews, PM any of us that might provide specific knowledge of a given pistol.
Check out some online sights like gunsamerica.com gunbroker.com, check some prices to see if your local dealer is on par with pricing.
just my .02 cents....
tw
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Nothing wrong with a .357 spurless SP101. ;)
Isn't the .40 Glock the one that's proven to be not so "perfect"? Not bashing Glock, but I've seen quite a few pic's of the .40's blown up "because the chamber doesn't support the bottom of the case well" (just what I've read!). :(
Seems like I've been seeing the same thing as quaker for a LONG time now. Near EMPTY ammo shelves, except for the stacks of .40 S&W.
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Get both! I love my Glocks and my SP101 and even my Charter Arms Undercover.
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Just found this by coincidence:
http://www.snubnose.info/docs/sp101.htm
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S @ W model 66 .357 man cannon. It is stupid to have to shoot something a second time. If I lived where there was bears I would be carrying a .44 mag. Use enough gun. Wheel guns usually do not malfunction.
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That is a great suggestion..... Go give them all a shake down at the same time and see what works best for you.
I will say again, give the Glock 26 a good long hard look. It is by far the most perfect form of "perfection" they have achieved and it is your best bet for a concealed carry Glock. 10+1 rds of 9mm will get the job done, plus it is also a lot more conducive to concealed carry -- the total package is about an ounce lighter. The practice ammo is also a lot cheaper. IMO, there is not a really big performance gain in .40 vs 9mm. If you really feel that you need more power then 9mm just go ahead and make the jump all the way up to .45
*BTW - Glocks are considerably lighter then XDs -- 19.75 oz vs 26 oz
You can also get a factory Glock 26 mag with a fingerrest extension and 12 round capacity now.
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Wow... I think we've moved from the occasional Glock bash to beating up on .40s&w. Where I'm at in Ohio the only ammo that could be found during the run on ammo was .40s&w and 12 gauge. Personally I love .40 and would trust it completely. I've seen locally more incidents with .45 acp damaging or destroying guns that .40. Not saying that there is any more evidence for or against .40 being more potentially unstable. I think the fact that more law enforcement agencies using the .40 is proof enough that it is reliable and safe enough for carry. The process that LE agencies use to determine their caliber and carry gun is picky and typically long fought because of statements like those that, "isn't .40 the one that blows up in the gun a lot?" Most any modern cartridge is going to work fine and ANY caliber that is made by man can possibly fail and go boom in your hand. Let's not go out and question and prod a newbies decision based of here say and antidotal evidence about the implied unsuitability of a cartridge. I love my .40s and the .45s I've had. I would even carry a 9 but only a M&P. So please... let's play nicely and lay off the bullet bashing.
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I love the .40 S&W cartridge. I've had my Glock 22 since 2000 and never had a problem with it. It's one of my HD/CCW remuda, kept stoked with Winchester Ranger 155 grain JHPs.
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I love the .40 S&W cartridge. I've had my Glock 22 since 2000 and never had a problem with it. It's one of my HD/CCW remuda, kept stoked with Winchester Ranger 155 grain JHPs.
Agree...., The Winchester 180gr. SD ammo is pretty much the same Black Talon bullet, without the lubalox coating. and a more politically correct name.
Everyone's has an opinion,.... fine,...I own an EAA Witness Compact in .40, and a Full Size M+P in .40, and would never EVER, feel like I didn't have enough gun if the SHTF.
FWIW, even carrying my "leetle Kel-Tec P3AT .380.",.... 5 rds with two to spare, and another mag, of premium SD ammo at point blank range, is going to change anyone's attitude with training and situational awareness, and the unyielding desire to protect myself.
The .40 is a good round Period. and so is any other round in the hands of someone that can defend themselves and make hits.
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TW is right. The quality of premium SD rounds, almost, makes arguing about caliber irrelevant (although still fun). I still think a .380 is pushing it, but its an inside the bubble of "good enough" push. Frankly, 9mm, .40 and .45 is a 6-5 and pick'em bet. I have 9mm because thats what I started with. If .45 had been available with the Glock in '93 I'd have gone that route. Now, I'll stick with 9mm and wouldn't consider .40 as its a compromise and if I "upgrade" it will be all the way. That said, .40 is used by a whole lot of cops and there are great rounds for it. I would carry one in a heart beat and not bitch. It just wouldn't be what I would buy if I were starting from scratch. The thing is though, any of the "big three" will do, close your eyes and pick one and the BGs won't be filing complaints.
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I don't see the appeal of the 40, it's just a 10mm for woman FBI agents.
.380 at least comes in a much more compact package than 9MM.
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I don't see the appeal of the 40, it's just a 10mm for woman FBI agents.
.380 at least comes in a much more compact package than 9MM.
Some of those "women" FBI agents can outshoot many a man with another caliber. ;)
Ask yourself, if Rob Pincus had a .25 Raven, would you still attack him? Than put in another caliber.... The answer is the same.
As long as the BG is going to be given a potentially lethal response by an armed citizen, I don't care what caliber it is.
But the 180gr. Winchester SXT's, in .40, 15+1 in a full size M+P will get anyone's attention. It usually only takes one. :o
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Just as long as it's not BM and the mighty mouse gun ;D
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OK here is the update, I finally got around to making up my mind. I went with the Ruger LCR, got back this afternoon from the toy shop with it. I really like the trigger and it seems to be great for CC. Fits really good IWB. Only got to fire 5 through it on the way home put I sure like it...one final note when I got home I kinda got into trouble for getting it...the boss informed me in a not so nice voice that the lcr was the pistol that she had been wanting and I was suppose to know that...so i guess I may still be looking for a CC pistol. Could have been worse I guess.
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Tell her to get you a glock 26 and you will trade her for it.
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Glock 30SF or a wheel gun chambered in .357 magnum. I would prefer the Glock to wheel gun due to heat and flame through the cylinder and barrel of a wheel gun. I choose a Glock 30SF cause it is a .45 ACP. You do not have to replace the spring as often with a .45 ACP as often as you do with a high pressure .40 Smith and Wesson round. The .45 ACP is a manstopper and my Glock 30SF recoils less than my Glock 22.
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Might be best to get a second LCR so you and your wife cold train on the same gun. Otherwise, go Glock, idiot proof, utterly reliable and concealable. Choose your caliber, I like 9mm, but there is no bad Glock.
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