The Down Range Forum
Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: Jungle Warrior on November 08, 2009, 08:56:48 PM
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Michael Bane:
Perhaps you can speak with Ruger on their efforts to make a civilian "battle rifle" in the needed 7.62 Nato with the "reintroduction" of their previously "just-about to be released" XGI.
The Beta testing was done and the product was moving along in production, but then they pullled it off the market line, citing supposed accuracy problems. I just don't buy that as an excuse.
Now & Today would be the perfect time to reintroduce the XGI in 7.62 Nato. It would be more popular than the the Mini Ranch and would be an incredible profit center for them.
It would rivel the FNAR in accuracy if they wanted it to be, and could be the standard of the industry for the civilian, and even the law enforcement market.
Michael, please look into this for us and let me know if possible, thanks!
GVB
P.S.: Really enjoyed your Pod-cast Halloween show. The walking dead... ;)
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While your talking to Ruger, how about asking them to PLEASE introduce a modern .44 Magnum carbine?!?! I love my old 80's Ruger carbine, but the trigger mechanism and action are so complex it boggles the mind how anybody ever concieved such a thing. Not to mention replacement parts or an aftermarket for the 30 year old rifle are non-existant.
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If my quick search is correct, the XGI is a mini 30 chambered for 7.62x51mm instead of 7.62x39mm. What could the XGI do that the mini 30 couldn't?.
BTW, we wont see the XGI until it's revealed in the A-Team movie next year.
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Especially now that Ruger is making 20 round mag versions of the Mini 30...heck, I might get one down to carry around in a cello case...
mb
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Michael,
Thanks for the response.
My experience as a Combat Vet and dealing with others, is that we enjoy using weapons and the calibre that we utilized while active. 7.62 Nato & the 5.56 Nato are favored by this group. During my "in & out of country" runs, I utilzed an AK when the need arose, but favored my M-14E2 when perched in my hide on hunting trips. Combat Vet's really don't like the Soviet round -- too many coming at one to appreciate.
The XGI in the 7.62 Nato would garner a following of returning Vets and old timers as well. It would be a profit center for Ruger to complete and if priced a couple of bills below a grand (keep in mind that the R&D was done previously), it would be a bonus to them and the civilian market. Offer the base model with a standard match barrel, a selection of easily added accessories, as well as the utilzation of M-14 mag, and you have a formula for an instant succe$$.
Being a gun dealer (no advertizements ever to follow), the young guns coming back want reliable toys to get ready for the Zombie Invasion.
Just some thoughts from this old-timer.
P.S.: Honor Vets this Wednesday - Say a prayer for them.
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I'm just glad that Ruger started making 20 and 30 round mags for my Mini 14, at reasonable prices ($24.99/20, $29.99/30 at CDNN).
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With all the varieties of M1A, G-3, FAL, and AR being offered today it would not be worth Rugers investment to produce another .30 caliber of modest accuracy, and yet another proprietary magazine. They dropped the idea the first time for a reason, namely, based on the market they could expect it would be a waste of company resources.
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With all the varieties of M1A, G-3, FAL, and AR being offered today it would not be worth Rugers investment to produce another .30 caliber of modest accuracy, and yet another proprietary magazine. They dropped the idea the first time for a reason, namely, based on the market they could expect it would be a waste of company resources.
I agree. Frankly I'm with BM that they could do better by reintroducing their semi-auto .44 mag carbine. It was basically an overgrown 10/22 and a great huntinting carbine. If they made a 20 round mag it would also be ideal for home defence and could win them a unigue spot in the market place instead of another "me too" EBR. Frankly, a good .44 mag carbine would be something I would look at if I were ordering patrol rifles for an urban PD.
FQ13
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If they do they should include the simplified disassembly features of such modern military style arms as the G3, AR, and AK which avoid unneeded excessive complexity.
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OK, so a mini-14 is a downsized M-14 (from 7.62x51 to 5.56). The mini-30 is a mini-14 rechambered for 7.62x39mm. The XGI is a mini-14 in 7.62x51. Haven't we gone full circle? Is the XGI smaller than the m-14/M1A? Why not just buy the mature m1a?
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If they do they should include the simplified disassembly features of such modern military style arms as the G3, AR, and AK which avoid unneeded excessive complexity.
Agreed, just upscale the mini-14 garand style action, or improve and strenghten the 10/22. This is what Ruger does best, improve on old designs. Seriously, what could be better for an urban patrol rifle than a semi auto .44 mag that woud take 20 round mags or stripper clips? When is any cop outside of SWAT snipers going to take more than a fifty yard shot? It offers a lot better stopping power and less down range danger to civilians (us) than .556. Put a rubber butt plate on it and recoil isn't a problem. I shot one of their old ones (which do need to be improved) and found it a pleasure to shoot. Granted, I was done after 20 rounds, but its not a plinking rifle. Plus, for SHTF SD its ideal. That, 4 mags and say 500 rounds in stripper clips, plus a wheel gun like the Alaskan and you're good to go. It will will do great as a deer gun with a five round mag at east coast ranges. Price it at $800 or less in a stainless synthetic model and I'll find the money.
FQ13
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I missed out on the Ruger Deerfield carbine. I wish they would bring it back in 44mag maybe .357mag. The pc9 is a cool little carbine but a 45acp would have been better.