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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Walter45Auto on November 09, 2009, 12:58:30 AM
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I want to get a good pocket holster for my new 649. Preferrably something with a closed muzzle. I've been looking at one made by Don Hume, but it has an open muzzle. What are your suggestions?
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http://www.andysleather.com/
Email: andy@shottist.com
Help out a fellow forum member.
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http://www.andysleather.com/
Email: andy@shottist.com
Help out a fellow forum member.
I could not find any IWB holsters on his site. He does have some beatiful rifle slings though!
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I could not find any IWB holsters on his site. He does have some beatiful rifle slings though!
Contact him. He does it all and will be happy to help.
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I have one of the Mika pocket holsters following a recomendation from this forum.
I'm very happy with it but the delivery is much longer now than when I ordered mine.
http://www.frontiernet.net/~akim/order.html
I give Andy a try next time. You can't have too many holsters.
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I have used an Aker (open front) leather holster for over a decade.
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Nemesis Pocket holster
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=166521
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I have one of the Mika pocket holsters following a recomendation from this forum.
I'm very happy with it but the delivery is much longer now than when I ordered mine.
http://www.frontiernet.net/~akim/order.html
I'll second that. I have one and it works great! Very inexpensive too. ;D
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Nemesis Pocket holster
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=166521
I like to mag holder they make, but I give a thumbs down to the holster though. It molded to the firearm too well, several times in practice the holster came out of the pocket with the gun >:( Thats when I when to the Mika's holster! :) I have absolutely no complaints about the Mika holster.
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Nemesis Pocket holster
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=166521
+1 on the DeSantis Nemesis Pocket Holster Ambidextrous for strong or weekside carry. I have found it to do very well in everyday carry and allow for ease of use during empty gun training. If you have to go with a leather system this will be a good second holster to add to the system. Try the DeSantis first and if you hate it, then trade it a your local gunshop/club. You will get most of your investment back that way. Mine molded alittle but never once using the middle finger bump has it come out together and stayed on the gun. The holster also make a good transfer system form paints to jacket. Not too scary.
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I have Nemesis holsters for all my pocket pistols...cheap and effective...
Michael B
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Hello. I think that which works best for you may very well be similar to which handgun stocks feel more comfortable. I have had good luck with Galco's pocket holster but after using one daily (and nightly) for several months now, my choice is Tuff Products' "Pocket Roo". It is constructed of a rubbery type material and definitely does not try to follow the revolver out of the pocket. It has been consistently positioned in the pocket and since I am right-handed and manipulate the revolver with my off-hand during reloads, I find the Tuff Quick Strip easily and quickly removed from the holster's pouch in my right front pocket.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/hipowersandhandguns/Hipowersandhandguns2/TuffStripsdifflengthsholsterwhite.jpg)
Initially I thought that the holster would be too "long" across the bottom with the 5-shot Quick Strip pouch but such has not proven the case at all in the docker-type pants I wear and it has worked fine in dress slacks when I am unfortunate enough to have wear such.
I am in no way compensated by Tuff Products and am not "advertising" the product other than to say based on personal use, it works for me and I believe that it might be a holster that would work nicely for others.
Best.
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it might be a holster that would work nicely for others.
Stephen A. Camp does this system have a closed muzzle or open?
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Hello. It is open.
Best.
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I have Nemesis, Unca Mike's, Mikas, Thad Rybka and Schaefer pociket holsters. I like the Mika for my 296 (L-frame Ti) in the woods. It has too big a bulge for casual dress otherwise, but, as Evan Marshall preaches, I could dress around it. But what I've been doing lately is not using any holster for my J-frames. Rather, the revolver rides butt down in my front pocket, trigger guard forward. To draw I slip my index finger into the guard and rest the barrel in the web of my hand between thumb and index finger. I've practiced enuf with this carry that I can slip it out smoothly and rock the grip into my hand with barely any detectable motion.
For me this carry offers several advantages: it rides less obtrusively with the butt down, and, because the weight is on the bottom, it doesn't shift around. Also, by pulling up on the guard rim in front of the trigger, I eliminate any chance of inadvertently pulling the trigger - which I worry about happening when I draw with the grip up. Plus, there's less bulge, and few would suspect a revolver with the upside down profile. I used tp stick a hanky over the gun as extra cover and to use as a decoy when presenting, but I don't bother with this anymore. The pocket is dedicated to carry, so there's no dirt, coins or other junk in their with the gun.
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Hello. It is open.
Best.
Thank you.
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To draw I slip my index finger into the guard and rest the barrel in the web of my hand between thumb and index finger.
Man where do i start with this, no holster, finger in trigger, then you roll it out.
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've practiced enuf with this carry that I can slip it out smoothly and rock the grip into my hand with barely any detectable motion.
For me this carry offers several advantages: it rides less obtrusively with the butt down, and, because the weight is on the bottom, it doesn't shift around. Also, by pulling up on the guard rim in front of the trigger, I eliminate any chance of inadvertently pulling the trigger - which I worry about happening when I draw with the grip up.
You are not adding being ambushed or adrenalin to the equation not to mention ol' murrphys laws greatly increase when your face meets attackers fist. Putting your rolling gun action to work under stress..... good luck with that.
Do not recommend this and beg anyone to help point out every horrible flaw this technique has.
Please!
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I have Nemesis holsters for all my pocket pistols...cheap and effective...
Michael B
+1 Yes. My Kel-Tec P3AT and pocket, love it.
FWIW, Don Hume makes a leather IWB pocket holster that isn't bad for a j-frame. Kinda like my PPK/S, heavier and needs more substantial holstering.
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Man where do i start with this, no holster, finger in trigger, then you roll it out.
Granted it's not traditional, but I don't see the safety issues you imply. Sure, finger's in trigger guard, but pulling up, away from the trigger. With barrel down, there's a chance of the finger slipping into the guard, against the trigger as you pull it up out of your pocket. Helluva lot more risk than with my way. You say "no holster" as if the gun becomes an unpinned grenade without one. Gosh, the idea of a Fitz Special (cutaway trigger guard) must give you nightmares.
(http://i657.photobucket.com/albums/uu297/ClarkKent3/th_5c55af57.jpg)
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I don't usually carry in my pocket but when I do I have found that my P3AT fits perfectly into the change/watch pocket that is inside the front right pocket of my shorts. No Holster.
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Do not recommend this and beg anyone to help point out every horrible flaw this technique has.
Please!
Who am I to recommend anything to anyone? And who are you to order me not to do so? I do welcome anyone here to "help point out every horrible flaw" in the technique I described as one I use. But please leave out the hysteria, which only gets in the way of reasonable discourse.
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The huge problem is when you decide to add another person who is the start of the attack putting all kinds of actual stress on you and your VERY fine-motor-skills. Give any force-on-force a try with an airsoft version of your gun and post the pics of your new bloodblister tattoos for me.
As for:Gosh, the idea of a Fitz Special (cutaway trigger guard) must give you nightmares.
Not a one! I bet an apology that gun was carried in a holster and the guard was cut out because the draw was made without the finger in the Triggerguard.
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I hope you did not note, feel or sense any "hissy"-teria this time. As far a orders vs. requests next time to make sure there is ABSOLUTELY no confusion I will add "pretty please" either fore or aft if it pleases ya.
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The huge problem is when you decide to add another person who is the start of the attack putting all kinds of actual stress on you and your VERY fine-motor-skills. Give any force-on-force a try with an airsoft version of your gun and post the pics of your new bloodblister tattoos for me.
As for:
Not a one! I bet an apology that gun was carried in a holster and the guard was cut out because the draw was made without the finger in the Triggerguard.
I'll settle for bloodblisters over bullet holes any day. And if you think pulling a revolver with half its trigger guard missing out of any holster without the risk of accidentally engaging the trigger - especially under the kind of duress you describe, you're the one here who's missing the picture.
Tell you what: you stick with your carry method and I'll stick with mine. And I'll refrain from telling people in this forum what to do, if you'll do the same. Deal?
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You are not adding being ambushed or adrenalin to the equation not to mention ol' murrphys laws greatly increase when your face meets attackers fist. Putting your rolling gun action to work under stress..... good luck with that.
!PRETTY PLEASE!
Do not recommend this !WITH FREE AMMO AND SPEEDLOADERS ON TOP! and beg anyone to help point out every horrible flaw this technique has.
Please!
if the ammo thing doesn't do it for you, do not light the fuse on the ol' tampoon. Replace with regular !sugar on top!
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I'll settle for bloodblisters over bullet holes any day.
Those bloodblister represent bullet holes Clark Kent.
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Granted it's not traditional, but I don't see the safety issues you imply. Sure, finger's in trigger guard, but pulling up, away from the trigger. With barrel down, there's a chance of the finger slipping into the guard, against the trigger as you pull it up out of your pocket. Helluva lot more risk than with my way. You say "no holster" as if the gun becomes an unpinned grenade without one. Gosh, the idea of a Fitz Special (cutaway trigger guard) must give you nightmares.
(http://i657.photobucket.com/albums/uu297/ClarkKent3/th_5c55af57.jpg)
As a matter of fact,,, ;D I would love to run across an original, I would NEVER dream of carrying it.
The no holster thing is only safe if NOTHING else is carried in that pocket, no change, no keys nothing. That SOB Murphy will stick it behind the trigger when you REALLY need the gun to work, holsters lessen the chance of that.
Heres some history on the "Fitz Special"
http://michaelbane.blogspot.com/2005/09/shooting-impression-of-de-blinged-m21.html
http://www.shootingtimes.com/gunsmoke/0605/index.html
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_173_29/ai_n7578403/
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Thanks for the links. I'd love to get my hands on one, too - strictly for show and tell.
You're absolutely right with the nuttin-else-in-da-pocket advice. I started using this carry method with a pair of Blackie Collins' "Toters," jeans with extra, reinforced front pockets intended for just this type of carry. I tried the upside down position after somebody lse mentioned it in one of the fora. Don't remember who, but I keep thinking it mighta been the late great Lou Alessi. If it was Lou, I don't think he made an upside down pocket holster, either. He mighta been talking about when he was a cop in Buffalo, before he got into the holster business.
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Clark,
Rather, the revolver rides butt down in my front pocket, trigger guard forward. To draw I slip my index finger into the guard and rest the barrel in the web of my hand between thumb and index finger. I've practiced enuf with this carry that I can slip it out smoothly and rock the grip into my hand with barely any detectable motion.
Yes, it is dangerous .. in fact, I'd go as far as to say "reckless". While I have carried J-frames without a holster, I would never tolerate the suggestion that a draw stroke which purposely places a finger in the trigger guard.
The presentation that you describe might work well on a range, but it is exactly the kind of overcomplicated, choreographed complex motor skill that falls apart under stress.... and now you are setting yourself up for rapidly putting your hand into your pocket under a fear response and trying to get your finger into the trigger area.
Not Good. Strongly suggest you change you method and I certainly don't want anyone else getting the idea that it is okay.
-RJP
(PS "fitz specials" are a bit silly and dangerous... AND, they only encourage trigger slap for most people, bio-mechanically, unless you have REALLY big hands/long fingers/thick gloves, they offer no advantage.)
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That was the intelligent way of saying my criticism. Thank you RP.
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already mentioned
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Bob Mika pocket holsters work the best for me by far. I have three of them for my J frames and PPK and couldn't be happier.
I had tried a Pocket Concealment Systems (PCS) and DeSantis Nemesis holster for my PPK and liked the slimness and light weight elements of the Nemesis holster better. Further, I really preferred the far less stiff feel that the Nemesis offered over the PCS where it easily molded to the contour of my leg, not to mention it could be drawn sans "bump", which I consider a real pain and one extra thing I'd rather not have to do when the fecal matter drives against the oscillating blade. The Nemesis did present a serious problem for me, however...after about a month of summer carry I noticed some slight pitting on the left side of the frame of my stainless Interarms .380 PPK. I couldn't figure out why this would be occurring given the rubber like material DeSantis uses for this holster. It should act as a barrier to moisture right? Well, after a particularly hot and humid day commuting to work, I removed the gun and holster from my right suit pants and closely examined the rig and saw water droplets exactly where the pitting had begun appearing. Upon closer examination I found the source of the problem. Although the Nemesis is waterproof, the trim that surrounds the entire rubberized holster material is made of fabric...fabric which was saturated from perspiration and resting directly on the frame. The Nemesis, reluctantly, was relegated to my holster box from that day and the PPK now resides in a Mika the same as my J frames. DeSantis needs to figure out how to remove the fabric trim from this holster IMHO.
After this occurred I contacted Bob Mika to explain the problem I had encountered and he assured me that his holsters form a 100% waterproof barrier between your leg and the gun it holsters. I have used his holsters for about 4 years now and not only are the guns totally rust free, but the holsters break in beautifully and flatten over time eliminating the initial bulkiness that some people mention. They are shaped and sewn to each gun's specifications and are meant to create a perfect draw with no bumping required....I have never performed a practice draw where the holster did not remain in the pocket. Further, reholstering is as simple as just dropping the gun into your pocket. The fact that they are sewn in the open position allows for a really great pocket holster. The fact that it is made from the hide of the rare and elusive Nauga assures it's 100% water/perspiration characteristic. The material used places this holster ahead of my previous favorite, a leather Chick Gaylord 8 Ball pocket holster from the 60's......the progenitor of today's pocket holsters.
Lastly, Bob has made holsters for tons of LAPD and NYPD detectives who swear by them. An NYPD detective I work with saw my J frame Mika several months back so I let him borrow it for a week to try it out on his J frame. He said it was the best holster he had ever tried so I gave him Bob's contact information. He called him that afternoon and after he heard he was an active NYPD detective, he sent him out a special blue version that he had just made and had it in his hands 2 days later, despite his 4 month backlog at the time. He's a tremendous individual who really isn't interested in making a fortune, he is interested in getting a fabulous holster out to those who realize its rather unique advantages...especially when it comes to his friends in law enforcement.
By the way, my 4 year old Mika for my S&W Model 60 looks as new as the day it was made and I carry one of the three I have 365 days a year. Bob's a retired LAPD officer and now a Chief of Police for a town in Wisconsin......I used to be able to get one of his holsters in a week...now it takes a couple of months or more......but boy are they great holsters and for about $20 bucks are WAY too inexpensive for a hand sewn and personally signed holster. He could charge 5 times that price if he wanted given the hand craftsmanship. But he won't....at least I hope not. Perhaps I'd better stop typing :)
Lastly, I have found that using a Mika J frame holster works beautifully tucked into your waistband in a cross draw manner while driving. A really great draw and it stays put. When you get out of the car, just drop the rig back into your pocket.
Here's Bob's link for those interested.......
http://frontiernet.net/~akim/
P.S. Anyone looking for a virtually new PCS or Nemesis holster for a Walther PPK...just contact me for a good deal as they are residing in my holster box.