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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: tombogan03884 on November 12, 2009, 10:47:11 AM
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091112/ap_on_bi_go_ec_fi/us_economy
Only a half a million jobs lost this week, the recovery is obvious ! :o
WASHINGTON – New claims for unemployment insurance fell more than expected last week, evidence the job market is slowly healing as the economy recovers.
Still, many private economists and Federal Reserve officials worry the nation could be in for a "jobless recovery" as the unemployment rate rises despite some overall economic growth.
The Labor Department said Thursday that first-time claims for jobless benefits dropped to a seasonally adjusted 502,000 from an upwardly revised 514,000 the previous week. That's the fewest claims since the week ending Jan. 3, and below economists' estimates.
The four-week average, which smooths fluctuations, dropped to 519,750, also the lowest in almost a year. It has fallen by more than 20 percent since its peak in the spring.
Lets see,BO was going to create 3 million jobs, Jobs have been disappearing at the rate of more than a million a month, he has been influencing the economy for 12 months, that means over 26 MILLION people have lost their jobs since this chump got elected.
Hey Liberals and "libertarians", I call that "change you deserve" for ignoring all the available information and voting for this POS.
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THIS libertarian did NOT vote for BHO & has NEVER voted for a DEM(DIM) presidential candidate.I also do NOT vote for RINO's & firmly believe in punishing both parties for doing their best to destroy my profession,hobby &/or country.Many years ago,when teachers taught & students learned rather than being indoctrinated, a wise old professor TAUGHT that in the USA "The people get what they want.Sadly,they also get what they deserve."
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THIS libertarian did NOT vote for BHO & has NEVER voted for a DEM(DIM) presidential candidate.I also do NOT vote for RINO's & firmly believe in punishing both parties for doing their best to destroy my profession,hobby &/or country.Many years ago,when teachers taught & students learned rather than being indoctrinated, a wise old professor TAUGHT that in the USA "The people get what they want.Sadly,they also get what they deserve."
Sadly, he's talking about me. This Libertarian DID vote for BO and has the "Mother Of All Buyers Remorse" buyers remorse. I do not wish to, and will not engage with other board members on a person, I mean topic, we have already beaten half to death. ;D Since you are new, I'll give it to you in a nut shell, I despised Bush. McCain's anti-free speech (McCain-Fiengold) and anti-choice positions made him unacceptable. Barr was an opportunist and a wasted vote and I was dumb enough to believe BO when he said his health care plan was simply to let everyone buy into the federal employee plan, with subsidies for the poor. As far as the 2A, its the only thing I was right about, when I figured there were too many blue dog Dems to get anything passed. If you want to debate this, I will, but PM me.
FQ13 who is a wiser but sadder man
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;D Correct for a change FQ ;D Especially that bit about being DUMB (your word, I would have gone with "deluded" ) enough to believe 1) a politician, 2) from CHICAGO ( What on EARTH were you thinking with ? ) one of the 3 most corrupt cities in America, the others being NY and New Orleans. (Washington would be on the list but it was actually relatively honest until well after the Civil war ).
Another thing, who the hell gave Congress any say in MY health care, their regulation is what f-cked it up in the first place, not to mention all the jobs their meddling drove overseas, or allowed to be taken by illegal aliens because they refuse to perform the duties that ARE assigned to them.
Any one that looks at Social security, Medicare, Amtrac, and the Post Office, then says "oh yeah, I want Congress looking after MY health", is an idiot. If that offends you I must sincerely say, TS
wrhall, that Professor wasn't all that well informed. If he knew anything about the Constitution he would have mentioned that this REPUBLIC, is governed by LAWS, it was never intended to be a "dictatorship of those who scream the loudest".
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;D Correct for a change FQ ;D Especially that bit about being DUMB (your word, I would have gone with "deluded" ) enough to believe 1) a politician, 2) from CHICAGO ( What on EARTH were you thinking with ? ) one of the 3 most corrupt cities in America, the others being NY and New Orleans. (Washington would be on the list but it was actually relatively honest until well after the Civil war ).
Another thing, who the hell gave Congress any say in MY health care, their regulation is what f-cked it up in the first place, not to mention all the jobs their meddling drove overseas, or allowed to be taken by illegal aliens because they refuse to perform the duties that ARE assigned to them.
Any one that looks at Social security, Medicare, Amtrac, and the Post Office, then says "oh yeah, I want Congress looking after MY health", is an idiot. If that offends you I must sincerely say, TS
wrhall, that Professor wasn't all that well informed. If he knew anything about the Constitution he would have mentioned that this REPUBLIC, is governed by LAWS, it was never intended to be a "dictatorship of those who scream the loudest".
And sadly, we USED to be a republic governed by laws, but are rapidly becoming an oligarchy ruled by a congress senate, and president who have become legends in their own mind.
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We are still the greatest Nation in the history of mankind but Washington and to many state capitals have degenerated into third world shitholes of corruption, greed and megalomania.
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And sadly, we USED to be a republic governed by laws, but are rapidly becoming an oligarchy ruled by a congress senate, and president who have become legends in their own mind.
Soooooooo, this is what you did while ill - Improving your vocabulary. I suppose next you're going to subscribe to Reader's Digest for their vocabulary improvement exercises and spend all your time in the Sh*ter reading ;)
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Tom he was & did.In simple terms,we as a republic,vote for people who are SUPPOSED to vote our wishes.IMO,the problem is not the LAW the problem is that we (just as Rome) have reached the point that neither law,loud voices or intelligence is the final factor.Choices are decided by what the entrenched,reliable voting bloc can deliver & this,in turn,makes them dependent on their pol who can deliver their wish list.
This catch22 is my problem with the GOP. The DIMs are beyond help & horrible for everyone that works,for our country's security & future. The GOP is,sadly,DEM LITE with a little sense about the WORLD (yes Virginia there really are terrorist who LIVE to KILL us) & PRIDE in our past accomplishments (check out BHO's world tour talking points).The GOP is like a football team of unlimited talent that ALWAYS plays SCARED & finds a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.IMO,the Libertarian Party is the ONLY chance to politcally save the USA we(the people of this forum) know & want.IMO,with the world as it now is,that can NOT happen.Election laws,government payouts & payoffs,media bias & education failure make this (a nation-wide Lib victory at the polls) a NO-GO.Things happen & things change & tomorrow should be best day of our life.If it isn't,cowboy up,& WORK on making the next day the best.
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Tom he was & did.In simple terms,we as a republic,vote for people who are SUPPOSED to vote our wishes.IMO,the problem is not the LAW the problem is that we (just as Rome) have reached the point that neither law,loud voices or intelligence is the final factor.Choices are decided by what the entrenched,reliable voting bloc can deliver & this,in turn,makes them dependent on their pol who can deliver their wish list.
This catch22 is my problem with the GOP. The DIMs are beyond help & horrible for everyone that works,for our country's security & future. The GOP is,sadly,DEM LITE with a little sense about the WORLD (yes Virginia there really are terrorist who LIVE to KILL us) & PRIDE in our past accomplishments (check out BHO's world tour talking points).The GOP is like a football team of unlimited talent that ALWAYS plays SCARED & finds a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.IMO,the Libertarian Party is the ONLY chance to politcally save the USA we(the people of this forum) know & want.IMO,with the world as it now is,that can NOT happen.Election laws,government payouts & payoffs,media bias & education failure make this (a nation-wide Lib victory at the polls) a NO-GO.Things happen & things change & tomorrow should be best day of our life.If it isn't,cowboy up,& WORK on making the next day the best.
wrhall
I have great faith in Libertarian (classical liberal) positions, but zero faith in the Libertarian Party. Not only is it full of factional divisions, its more concerned with ideologcal purity than winning elections, even if its for school board or Dog Catcher. But that's how a party, or a movement within a party (the religious right with the GOP as exhibit A) succeeds. Fail to do that and well, you fail. Ask Ron Paul. The problem for our side is we think that we are so right that anyone should see it and yet stand gob smacked when we get our asses handed to us time and time again. We need to form an alliance between social liberals, FP realists and fiscal conservatives.That will require a lot of ideological work and persusion. Until it happens though, the republic Jefferson offered us and Madison crafted isn't going to be restored.We just vote for the best Dem or GOP candidate we have because one of them will win, and continue to do so unti we can offer the American people a good and compelling reason to vote for us rather than just against the other guy. What we must do is takes those on the left who believe in personal liberty and show them that the welfare state is nothing but fuzzy hand cuffs. Fuzzy yes, but restraints none the less. We must also show them that all persons are created equal, but all cultures are not, and ours is worth fighting for. Defending liberty and Western civilization is not racism. My great grandfather can apologize for himself, I don't need to do it for him. On the right, we need to kick the theocrats and neo-cons to the curb. Rumsdfeld and Robertson can KMA. We are not not a theocracy, nor are we an empire. We are a democratic republic that should be strong enough to protect its borders, wise enough not to embroil itself in unecessary foriegn adventures and free enough to prosper by trade based on the principle of lassiez faire.Thus far, the Libertarian party (or any other) hasn't sold that idea, but I sincerly hope they will. Hell, it worked with the Federalist papers, maybe Americans will actually wake up. :-\
FQ13
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The Libertarian party has been around for a long time but has never and will never amount to anything because it is made up of people who either are Liberals who promote homosexuality, abortion and dope smoking which kills the Conservative support for their positions on Government and taxation, and people who would be Republicans if they had the courage and ambition to work against the RINO's instead of sitting back as a useless third party member and pointing fingers at every one else, while actually accomplishing nothing.
Remember who FOUNDED the Republican Party, It was anti slavery Democrats, with the help of Whigs who saw their own party becoming irrelevant.
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Lordy,lordy after 53 years of being called names,many of which are unprintable,I've been called a liberal.FIRST TIME EVER!Tom ,it's rebuttal time.
First,I'll stand by my opinion that the LIB Party does NOT win elections b/c of the reasons cited in my last post(election laws,govt buyoffs,media & education) but,even if you disagree consider this.IMO,a person &/or party will govern by how they LOOK upon government. A liberal DIM sees government as a goddess.There is no problem too big or small that govt. can't or shouldn't solve.ANY govt fault or failure is due to the PEOPLE not the govt.A good GOP member sees govt. as an office secretary,someone that keeps things running smooth but is always a small cog in the big machine.This actually works fairly well UNTIL the office boss gets lazy &/or stupid.The office sec starts getting more jobs,taking on more authority & suddenly she is the boss.A lib KNOWS that govt is a paid whore.She has always been around & always will be.She performs services that nobody or nothing else can or will.BUT,she must constantly be watched & held in check b/c the more she gets the more she wants.FQ,you forgot this & ,as you yourself admit,you made a BAD decision.
Now,why I do NOT answer for all libs,I will answer for myself.All UNNEEDED govt is bad.That means,IMO, that whatever sex games 2 or more consenting,adults play is between them & GOD.That also means that the govt has NO business in re-defining marriage.That means no govt interaction between a doctor & their patient.Again that is between them & GOD.That also means no govt funded clinics or PSM promoting or sponsoring abortions.When you (or anyone) gets the WRATH about legalized drugs (and also pencil in prostitution & gambling here) do this.Take a deep breath & remember history.Prohibition did NOT work unless you were a crooked pol or organized criminal.Still doesn't. Tax it,control it & get over it.
Remember,the GOP was NOT a player until a weakened DEM,a BIG idea & a Civil War came along. Like I said,things happen & things change.Good ideas & solid principles may not always be in fashion but they do have STAYING POWER.
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I consider myself a good conservative. Less government and less law is always better.
That said, I also believe that people have the right to do as they want (as long as it does not affect others) so....legalize drugs, gambling and prostitution! They will all bring in revenue and we will spend less on jails for BS crimes.
Do I do drugs? Yes if you count alcohol. I don't like to gamble (other than the guys gettin together for cards) and I think prostitution is demeaning to God and both individuals BUT, I am not God nor am I in any condition to dictate to others.
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For wrhall, Liberal wasn't the only category I listed under the Libertarian banner, you picked that one for yourself.
Also you and Haz both show selective reading, I don't give a crap how you warm your sheets, and I have made my opinion very plain on here repeated that the "War on some drugs" is a failed money pit, the words you ignored are the important ones, those attitudes alienate support Libertarians could receive from the rest of the Conservative community.
As for FQ, I only read his political posts if I feel like arguing.
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For wrhall, Liberal wasn't the only category I listed under the Libertarian banner, you picked that one for yourself.
Also you and Haz both show selective reading, I don't give a crap how you warm your sheets, and I have made my opinion very plain on here repeated that the "War on some drugs" is a failed money pit, the words you ignored are the important ones, those attitudes alienate support Libertarians could receive from the rest of the Conservative community.
As for FQ, I only read his political posts if I feel like arguing.
Tom,
I didn't even read all of your other post ;D. I was just stating my philosophy. There is NO DOUBT that you and I (as well as the VAST majority on this board) are of the same mind.
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I do not wish to, and will not engage with other board members on a person, I mean topic, we have already beaten half to death. ;D
FQ13 who is a wiser but sadder man
A rhetorical question:
So I guess I will not find you at the local Barnes & Noble purchasing a copy of Going Rogue? I'm shocked, absolutely shocked!
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Tom,
I didn't even read all of your other post ;D. I was just stating my philosophy. There is NO DOUBT that you and I (as well as the VAST majority on this board) are of the same mind.
Haz, How could you say such a thing ! I'm stricken, Stricken I tell you. :'(
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Quote from: fightingquaker13 on Yesterday at 14:18:32
I do not wish to, and will not engage with other board members on a person, I mean topic, we have already beaten half to death. Grin
FQ13 who is a wiser but sadder man
Any subject worth beating HALF to death is worth beating FULLY to death ! Look at 9MM Versus .45 or Glock versus everything else ;D
A rhetorical question:
So I guess I will not find you at the local Barnes & Noble purchasing a copy of Going Rogue? I'm shocked, absolutely shocked!
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He thinks she's unqualified so he voted for Oba Mao (Thank you China, that is just SO right ;D )
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A rhetorical question:
So I guess I will not find you at the local Barnes & Noble purchasing a copy of Going Rogue? I'm shocked, absolutely shocked!
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Only if it has a centerfold. ;D
FQ13 who will be in the corner
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Only if it has a centerfold. ;D
FQ13 who will be in the corner
You were supposed to post something I could DISagree with. ;D
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Only if it has a centerfold. ;D
FQ13 who will be in the corner
And yet another sexist remark about Palin uttered by FQ
I'm not saying I disagree, I'm just saying. ;D