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Title: Let the fight begin !
Post by: tombogan03884 on November 14, 2009, 02:17:59 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091114/ap_on_el_pr/us_republicans2012



WASHINGTON – Sarah Palin is embarking on a book tour. Tim Pawlenty is building a national political operation. Mitt Romney is weighing in on the recession.

They're all jockeying for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination — even if they won't say so.

Make no mistake: At least a half-dozen Republicans are in the early stages of campaigning for the chance to challenge President Barack Obama in his expected re-election race.

Ultimately, some may decide against running. But, at this point, they're taking steps to position themselves for the GOP nomination fight — and that means courting conservatives critical in primaries, proving they can take on a popular incumbent president and painting a vision for a wayward GOP.

And, of course, gauging their relative strength, visiting early primary states and refusing to rule out official bids.

"It's way too soon" to talk 2012, former New York Gov. George Pataki demurred last week, sounding like a stream of other Republicans trekking through Iowa, while he spoke at a GOP fundraiser for the 2010 midterm election season.

This early, White House aspirants have the advantage of operating a bit outside the media glare. But Washington insiders do notice unforced errors. And while missteps may not hurt them with the public, flubs can hamper them in the long-term hunt for staff, fundraisers and endorsements by raising questions of readiness.

Pawlenty, for instance, caused a stir among insiders recently with a series of bobbles. In one case, the Minnesota governor seemed to suggest that moderate Republican Sen. Olympia Snowe of Maine, who sided with Democrats on Obama's health care reform in a Senate Finance Committee vote, shouldn't be part of the GOP. Pawlenty later made clear that she should.

For now, the field is wide open with 2008 GOP nominee John McCain on the sidelines after his loss to Obama. Republicans are struggling to figure out precisely what they want in their next leader and how to reshape a party facing big challenges following painful national election setbacks in 2006 and 2008.

Consider that Democrats won the White House and expanded their majorities in Congress in 2008 in a friendly political environment. It had turned so sour just one year later that Republicans booted Democrats from power in Virginia and New Jersey.

"The results made clear the American people don't like where the Democrats are trying to take our country," declared Haley Barbour, the Republican Governors Association chairman who will preside over a gathering of GOP governors in Texas next week.

Coming the same week as Palin's book tour, the gathering is certain to feed 2012 buzz — for Barbour and Pawlenty, as well as other possible candidates — if not this time than maybe next — like Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels and Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal.

Among others said to be flirting with a run are former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, who ran in 2008. Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum has fueled speculation with a visit to Iowa, where he said: "I want a role in where this party is going, where this country is going." Republicans like South Dakota Sen. John Thune and Indiana Rep. Mike Pence also are trying to raise their national profiles.

A year before 2012 campaigning begins in earnest, here's a look at the moves some are making:

_Palin, the 2008 vice presidential nominee who resigned as governor of Alaska, is starting a national media tour to promote her book, "Going Rogue." Eager to show her conservative credentials, she recently endorsed grassroots-backed conservative Doug Hoffman over the GOP-supported candidate in an upstate New York congressional race. Hoffman lost but an undeterred Palin told conservative activists, "The cause goes on."
Yes, FQ hates her, thats a plus, She did well with even McCain campaigning against her.
_Pawlenty, who was on McCain's vice presidential short list, decided not to run for a third term as governor. He's been methodically building an expansive political operation with Washington-based campaign veterans while working to raise his national profile and taking on Obama often. Pawlenty is a conservative, but he's tacked even further right recently, including backing Hoffman.
? He backed down on bad mouthing that RINO scat Snowe
_Romney, the former Massachusetts governor who lost to McCain, has kept a lower profile than others. He's carefully chosen when to insert himself into national politics. The former businessman has reappeared at key times to challenge Obama, primarily on economic policy. He's experienced the rigors of a national campaign, but previous charges of flip-flopping could haunt him.
NO ! Weathervane at best, RINO at worst
_Barbour, Mississippi's governor and a former national GOP chairman, ascended to the RGA chairmanship this summer around the time he visited Iowa and New Hampshire. He was credited with helping Republicans win in Virginia and New Jersey, and helping recruit a strong field of 2010 gubernatorial candidates. The question: Does a party with diversity issues want a white Southerner who is a former lobbyist as the party's face?
Comments ?
_Gingrich, the former House speaker from Georgia known for leading the 1994 GOP takeover of Congress, has been traveling the country talking up Republican rebirth. He tested a stump-sounding speech in Kansas earlier this month, and has emerged as a critic of Obama's health care and economic policy. A leader among conservatives, Gingrich is a perennial flirt with the presidency. But he also carries baggage from his years as a lawmaker.
NO! He backed that RINO in NY's 23rd district that threw her support to the dum

_Huckabee, the former Arkansas governor who won the Iowa caucuses in 2008, has spent the past year raising his national profile with a Fox News talk show — "Huckabee" — and radio commentaries called the "Huckabee Report." He's in the midst of a tour for his new book, "A Simple Christmas." A longtime favorite of evangelicals who lifted him to victory in Iowa, this Southern Baptist preacher will be challenged to broaden the scope of his support to the rest of the GOP.
He will not get enough support, no matter what his position.

RED are my comments
Title: Re: Let the fight begin !
Post by: TAB on November 14, 2009, 02:23:00 PM
if palin gets the nom. we will have 4 more years of BO.  Romeny has a chance, unless the voters fear him being a mormon.
Title: Re: Let the fight begin !
Post by: twyacht on November 14, 2009, 03:19:52 PM
RIGHT NOW, THEY STILL ALL SUCK ROCKS AND CAN GO POUND POLITICALLY CORRECT SAND!!!!

Thank for letting me yell. I'm much better now.

Exchanging one really ugly pair of shoes for another is what were going to get, however, if Bobo the Clown runs against BHO, I'll vote for him in a minute, just to get rid of the usurping, bowing, no-class, apologizing, socialist, ,.........

sorry,...I'm really better now,.... :-X
Title: Re: Let the fight begin !
Post by: 2HOW on November 14, 2009, 03:33:30 PM
I like Palin-Huckabee
Title: Re: Let the fight begin !
Post by: TAB on November 14, 2009, 03:37:14 PM
I like Palin-Huckabee


palin could not handle running the state with the least population, what makes you think she could handle running the country?

Title: Re: Let the fight begin !
Post by: fightingquaker13 on November 14, 2009, 03:42:16 PM
I wind up agreeing with TW and TAB here. Palin, particularly after her resignation halfway through her first term, will lose. Rommney on the other hand, while his resume makes him look like the right guy for the times, has that sort of John Kerry smarminess that turns folks off. Its silly to base a vote on thatm but I am not alone when I say there was something about both men that just made me recoil.
FQ13
Title: Re: Let the fight begin !
Post by: tombogan03884 on November 14, 2009, 04:29:58 PM
I wind up agreeing with TW and TAB here. Palin, particularly after her resignation halfway through her first term, will lose. Rommney on the other hand, while his resume makes him look like the right guy for the times, has that sort of John Kerry smarminess that turns folks off. Its silly to base a vote on thatm but I am not alone when I say there was something about both men that just made me recoil.
FQ13

And there is our enlightened view from the Professor who voted for Butt licker Barry.
And the fact that he and TAB are on the same page pretty much clinches it.

Bobby Jindal was mentioned in the article as well, it said he was NOT going to seek a 3rd term as Gov. of La.
Title: Re: Let the fight begin !
Post by: fightingquaker13 on November 14, 2009, 04:57:24 PM
And there is our enlightened view from the Professor who voted for Butt licker Barry.
And the fact that he and TAB are on the same page pretty much clinches it.

Bobby Jindal was mentioned in the article as well, it said he was NOT going to seek a 3rd term as Gov. of La.
Tell me that "multiple choice Mitt" doesn't remind you of a used car salesman and I'll take the hit. As far as Jindal, he has my respect for being a damn smart guy. He does need to brush up on his public speaking skills, if his speech in response to Obama was any measure. He is someone that I would take a long look at though. I would say the same from Ginrigich. Newt has grown up a lot since 1994. At the time, he forgot that winning the revolution was more fun than governing afterwards. He seems to have learned that lesson. He is also a keen student of history, something I think is a key quality in any President.
FQ13 
Title: Re: Let the fight begin !
Post by: twyacht on November 14, 2009, 05:01:27 PM
Do I think a Palin-Huckabee or whatever would be better? Better than the current POTUS & VP?

Yes. I also believe we can send a message to the career politicians, the RINO's, the far-left, the far-right, the whole lot of them a message this time.

of the people, by the people, for the people.


Sounds familiar doesn't it? Well the D.C. crowd of both parties forgot it.

The inside the beltway crowd has become too wrapped up in itself. It's time to "unwrap" them and bring them all back down to the foundations of good economic policy, and Vote The Bums Out!

Local, State, and at the Fed level; Not one incumbent gets my vote. I wish there was term limits on the lot of them.

I don't want the lesser of two evils in an election. But I am dreaming to think the vast majority of the sheeple will rise up against the status quo.

That's the only way to get their attention. In small numbers, we are discredited, mocked and coined a "fringe" element.

9/12 Project, Tea-Party Groups, Town Hall "radicals"...

Jindal is like a good speaking Palin, smooth with little international experience. Mitt is the consumate politician who knows who butters his expensive bread. Newt made and makes mistakes but has something of a global knowledge and how it effects America.

BUT, (there's always a but.)

"Good intentions will always be pleaded for any assumption of power. The Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."
Daniel Webster





Title: Re: Let the fight begin !
Post by: TAB on November 14, 2009, 05:02:17 PM
And there is our enlightened view from the Professor who voted for Butt licker Barry.
And the fact that he and TAB are on the same page pretty much clinches it.

Bobby Jindal was mentioned in the article as well, it said he was NOT going to seek a 3rd term as Gov. of La.

so tell me, why is palin so great?  I asked you this Q in another thread, and you never replyed too it.
Title: Re: Let the fight begin !
Post by: Timothy on November 14, 2009, 05:03:03 PM
He seems to have learned that lesson. He is also a keen student of history, something I think is a key quality in any President.
FQ13 

That just might be cuz of his Doctorate in History from Tulane!

Newt pissed me off some time ago and I don't remember why!

Title: Re: Let the fight begin !
Post by: m25operator on November 14, 2009, 05:46:54 PM
palin could not handle running the state with the least population, what makes you think she could handle running the country?



I don't think of her as short term 2012 pres material, but when has any president ran the country???

The office is about those around the potus, He or she needs the best and brightest, with no ties to the status quo, or only enough, that the status quo, know they have to deal with them, and its not going to be business as usual.

I think of Romney the same way as FQ, I do like Newt, but don't think he is electable, but his new messages and interviews might get him somewhere, He is more of a statesman, than all the rest, and We do need a true statesman.

Heard great things about Jindal, just don't know if he can pull it off.

Believe me, McCain would not have done as well without Palin, she is great as a polarizer of the conservative side. She also does not back down, We need people like that, no apologies for our way of living that has to include giving lip service and money to ideals we don't believe in.

We have 3 yrs to come up with someone like Ronald Reagan, articulate, forceful and with a will to get things done. I don't have a clue of who that might be, but definitely not any of the aforementioned. I remember in my 20's President Reagan, coming down to congress with what looked like a 100 lbs of bills, and flat told them to get busy and straighten it out. When was the last time any of you remember a President, taking a stance like that, and embarrasing the congress or senate on live tv. That's what we need.

In closing, I want someone new, I would like some of the candidates that have great skills in the cabinet, like Romney, like Palin, Like Gingritch, each to their special skill. Throw the status quo out the window when possible, this is hard for me, as I like my reps, but a clean slate should be free of former parasites, even if I like them.
Title: Re: Let the fight begin !
Post by: tombogan03884 on November 14, 2009, 06:44:26 PM
That just might be cuz of his Doctorate in History from Tulane!

Newt pissed me off some time ago and I don't remember why!



He supported the RINO in NY's 23rd district, the one who quit and urged her supporters to vote for the DEM instead of the Conservitive.

so tell me, why is palin so great?  I asked you this Q in another thread, and you never replyed too it.

I didn't answer because like FQ you have your mind made to hate her and trying to convince you is a waste of band width.

Tell me that "multiple choice Mitt" doesn't remind you of a used car salesman and I'll take the hit. As far as Jindal, he has my respect for being a damn smart guy. He does need to brush up on his public speaking skills, if his speech in response to Obama was any measure. He is someone that I would take a long look at though. I would say the same from Ginrigich. Newt has grown up a lot since 1994. At the time, he forgot that winning the revolution was more fun than governing afterwards. He seems to have learned that lesson. He is also a keen student of history, something I think is a key quality in any President.
FQ13 

Since you didn't read the comments I put in the article I will say again as I have before, Romney is a RINO. Maybe not to the extent of Snowe, Collins, and McCain, but he's not trust worthy.

TW asked "Do I think a Palin-Huckabee or whatever would be better? Better than the current POTUS & VP?"

I think Trigger and Scout would do a better job than the Hunch back of Tokyo and Crazy Joe.
Title: Re: Let the fight begin !
Post by: Pathfinder on November 14, 2009, 06:55:20 PM
Since you didn't read the comments I put in the article I will say again as I have before, Romney is a RINO. Maybe not to the extent of Snowe, Collins, and McCain, but he's not trust worthy.

No, he is as bad as Snowe et al. He was in on the homosexual take-over of the school system in MA, as well as the assault weapon ban in MA. Not to mention he was totally incapable of doing anything about the tax in Taxachusetts.  I will never vote for Romney - ever.

I think Trigger and Scout would do a better job than the Hunch back of Tokyo and Crazy Joe.

Trigger's and Scout's leavings could do better than bho.
Title: Re: Let the fight begin !
Post by: TAB on November 14, 2009, 06:55:46 PM
I don't think of her as short term 2012 pres material, but when has any president ran the country???

The office is about those around the potus, He or she needs the best and brightest, with no ties to the status quo, or only enough, that the status quo, know they have to deal with them, and its not going to be business as usual.

I think of Romney the same way as FQ, I do like Newt, but don't think he is electable, but his new messages and interviews might get him somewhere, He is more of a statesman, than all the rest, and We do need a true statesman.

Heard great things about Jindal, just don't know if he can pull it off.

Believe me, McCain would not have done as well without Palin, she is great as a polarizer of the conservative side.She polarized the moderate against mccain, at best it was a wash. She also does not back down,No, she quits We need people like that, no apologies for our way of living that has to include giving lip service and money to ideals we don't believe in.

We have 3 yrs to come up with someone like Ronald Reagan, articulate, forceful and with a will to get things done. I don't have a clue of who that might be, but definitely not any of the aforementioned. I remember in my 20's President Reagan, coming down to congress with what looked like a 100 lbs of bills, and flat told them to get busy and straighten it out. When was the last time any of you remember a President, taking a stance like that, and embarrasing the congress or senate on live tv. That's what we need.

In closing, I want someone new, I would like some of the candidates that have great skills in the cabinet, like Romney, like Palin, Like Gingritch, each to their special skill. Throw the status quo out the window when possible, this is hard for me, as I like my reps, but a clean slate should be free of former parasites, even if I like them.
Title: Re: Let the fight begin !
Post by: TAB on November 14, 2009, 06:56:52 PM
I didn't answer because like FQ you have your mind made to hate her and trying to convince you is a waste of band width.





in other words you can't make a logical argument, just one on emotion.
Title: Re: Let the fight begin !
Post by: Timothy on November 14, 2009, 07:14:57 PM
He supported the RINO in NY's 23rd district, the one who quit and urged her supporters to vote for the DEM instead of the Conservitive.


No, well yea, that pisses me off now but this was about 14-15 years ago.  Made me mad enough to resign from the GOP and go independant.
Title: Re: Let the fight begin !
Post by: TAB on November 14, 2009, 07:17:15 PM
No, well yea, that pisses me off now but this was about 14-15 years ago.  Made me mad enough to resign from the GOP and go independant.

I heard a recent qoute about conservatism in this country.


"The only thing standing in the way of wide spread conservatism in this country is, the republican party."

 :)
Title: Re: Let the fight begin !
Post by: twyacht on November 14, 2009, 07:36:02 PM
I heard a recent qoute about conservatism in this country.


"The only thing standing in the way of wide spread conservatism in this country is, the republican party."

 :)

That is a true statement. Sad but true.

"If someone is so fearful that, that they're going to start using their weapons to protect their rights, it makes me very nervous that these people have these weapons at all."
Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA)

I have become a fearful American.

Title: Re: Let the fight begin !
Post by: tombogan03884 on November 14, 2009, 07:47:58 PM

in other words you can't make a logical argument, just one on emotion.

No, actually it's because I don't have enough respect for you political opinions to give a crap what you think.

That is a true statement. Sad but true.

"If someone is so fearful that, that they're going to start using their weapons to protect their rights, it makes me very nervous that these people have these weapons at all."
Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA)

I have become a fearful American.



Has he killed that thing on his lip yet ?
Title: Re: Let the fight begin !
Post by: twyacht on November 14, 2009, 07:54:35 PM

Has he killed that thing on his lip yet ?

I can't tell, the nostrils are blocking the sun.

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/vertwaxmangi.jpg)

One for the wall...
Title: Re: Let the fight begin !
Post by: tombogan03884 on November 14, 2009, 08:23:09 PM
 This wall

http://www.freewebarcade.com/game/apple-shooter/
Title: Re: Let the fight begin !
Post by: twyacht on November 14, 2009, 08:32:32 PM
My bad, I missed the apple right off the bat. 8)
Title: Re: Let the fight begin !
Post by: HAWKFISH on November 14, 2009, 10:26:26 PM
This wall

http://www.freewebarcade.com/game/apple-shooter/


Umm, I think I do better shooting with my Glock!
Title: Re: Let the fight begin !
Post by: tt11758 on November 16, 2009, 11:46:31 AM
Tom Bogan for President!!
Title: Re: Let the fight begin !
Post by: MikeBjerum on November 16, 2009, 12:07:25 PM
This wall

http://www.freewebarcade.com/game/apple-shooter/

fifteen before I missed the apple, but I didn't miss "the apple"  :o
Title: Re: Let the fight begin !
Post by: tombogan03884 on November 16, 2009, 01:03:19 PM
Tom Bogan for President!!

No thank you, I've worked with crooks and scumbags before.
Title: Re: Let the fight begin !
Post by: MikeBjerum on November 16, 2009, 02:07:02 PM
No thank you, I've worked with crooks and scumbags before.

That qualifies you to be top crook and scumbag for a term or two  ;)
Title: Re: Let the fight begin !
Post by: tt11758 on November 16, 2009, 05:28:27 PM
This wall

http://www.freewebarcade.com/game/apple-shooter/


bastard
Title: Re: Let the fight begin !
Post by: brosometal on November 17, 2009, 06:54:39 PM
Newt:                   Turned pansy.
Mitt:                     Still having a hard time determining if he is, in fact, a robot.
Huckster:              Populist, at best.
Palin:                    Espouses conservatism the best of the bunch so far.
Jindal:                   See Palin.

Now if you look at who the press has placed in their cross hairs you should have a good indication of who they are afraid of.  They constantly (with help from folks like TAB) deride Palin as an imbecile or worse.  Why is that?  If Palin was truly this leftist media's construct why not let her run?  The same goes for Bobby Jindal.  If he is so horrible, why spend so much time with character assassination? As a man much better that I has observed over and over, Conservatism wins every time its tried.

2008 was a perfect storm for a clown like Obama.  Both sides of the isle were fed up with W. for varying reasons and several folks suffer from White guilt.  With a blank slate like Obama they were able to project what they wanted in a candidate.  Don't take my word for it.  Ask an Obama voter why they voted for Obama.  Your answers will be numerous.  Then follow up with: "Are you getting what you expected?"  The answers to that question will be a lot less varied.

When I first started posting here, there was an ongoing argument between holding your nose and voting McCain or to go third party and voting libertarian (Ron J where are you?).  I still believe that is a valid argument.  The question is, how much government is too much.  I propose the Republican party, as it is presently composed, is lukewarm at best.

(http://www.isearchbible.com/verses/so_because_you_are_lukewarm_and_n/30763.html  (http://www.isearchbible.com/verses/so_because_you_are_lukewarm_and_n/30763.html))  

The above mentioned man has warned against third parties and their ability to only elect a Leftist. This is were I'm torn.  I am a registered Republican.  As such I receive fund raising requests ad nauseum.   Well my answer to the last "Obama survey" was, "Go Conservative" along with a check for $0.02.  I am both waiting for a response and to see if they actually cash it.  

The canidate I am most aligned with is Wayne Allyn Root.  Here is a video from 2008:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsNU_gDePgI&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsNU_gDePgI&feature=related)

Now tell me why the top three re-treads have no traction.

I yield the remainder of my time...
Title: Re: Let the fight begin !
Post by: tombogan03884 on November 17, 2009, 07:24:54 PM
I would not buy a used car from him.