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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: Hazcat on November 22, 2009, 10:07:55 AM
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y RYAN OLSON - Staff Writer
Posted: 11/20/2009 12:09:32 AM PST
WILLOWS -- The Willows Unified School District board of trustees has expelled a 16-year-old for having unloaded shotguns in his pickup parked just off the Willows High School campus.
The board voted 4-0 Thursday to expel junior Gary Tudesko after the weapons were discovered via scent-sniffing dogs on Oct. 26. Board Vice President Alex Parisio abstained from the discussion and vote because he is related to Tudesko's family.
Expulsion hearings are normally held in closed sessions, but affected students and their parents can request a public hearing.
Susan Parisio defended her son during the 105-minute public hearing at Willows Civic Center. She acknowledged that Tudesko was lazy for not storing the shotguns at home after a morning of bird hunting, but she questioned the district's ability to enforce its policies off Willows High School property.
"My son was not even parked on school property," Parisio said.
Willows High Principal Mort Geivett and other district officials did not appear to dispute that the parking space was off school property, but they cited several justifications. One of them was the legal doctrine of in loco parentis — where school officials may act in place of a parent for school functions.
Geivett said the school was responsible for students traveling to and from school as well as during lunch. He said he believed that students should not possess weapons within 1,000 feet of campus.
Geivett said he believed off-campus parking
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around the school was under the school's jurisdiction, in part because it is primarily used by students.
"I'm erring on the safe side of protecting staff and kids," he said.
The incident began on Oct. 26 when scent-sniffing dogs detected something in a pickup on the street north of the tennis courts on West Willow Street. A Willows police officer did a search of the license plate and traced the pickup to Tudesko.
Tudesko came out to the vehicle and said there were two shotguns and shells in the pickup. He opened his vehicle for a search, which revealed the guns on the rear seat as well as a knife with a 3-inch blade. The police held the weapons and the school suspended Tudesko for five days, which was later extended indefinitely until Thursday's hearing.
Geivett said the Education Code requires the school pursue expulsion, when a student is in possession of a firearm, knife or explosive without written permission from the school. He said he was concerned for the safety of students and staff.
"Gary should've known better than to come to campus with guns in his truck," Geivett said.
In addition to the Education Code, the Gun-Free School Zone Act of 1995 bars possession of firearms within 1,000 feet of a school, but there are exceptions for private property and for lawful transportation of non-concealable weapons.
Parisio said her son was raised in a family that has always owned guns.
"We have always, always stressed that safety is important," she said.
Parisio revisited the searches that uncovered the guns. She noted the canine search found two additional vehicles that resulted in the discovery of live ammunition.
Parisio compared the ammo to explosives — which is also covered by the mandatory expulsion law — and asked why there weren't expulsion hearings for those students.
In addition, one of the shotguns in Tudesko's pickup belonged to a friend who rode to school with Tudesko. Parisio asked why the school didn't punish this student as well.
"Selective enforcement in of itself is wrong," Parisio said.
Before the end of the session, Tudesko spoke briefly. He apologized for his actions and said he wanted to be on time for school. Tudesko said he believed it was all right to park on a public street with the unloaded weapons.
After the hearing, several school board members declined to comment on their decision.
Parisio said she will appeal the district's decision to the Glenn County Board of Education. If the decision is upheld and her son is sent to a continuation school, Parisio said she would likely home-school Tudesko.
http://www.chicoer.com/news/ci_13831318
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I smell lawsuit.
If the kid wasn't on school property, too bad for them. What the hell are they doing going around public streets with dogs sniffing vehicles anyway? 4th Amendment anyone?
Where's Tom and his rope? We're gonna need it.
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Now tell me why firearms mfgs, ammo companies, or ANY company supported by the 2A is spending a penny in CA?
The only reason any 2A business should spend money in CA is to SUE the commie bastards!
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I understand and appreciate the school system wanting to protect our kids but this is getting carried away. What's next ? Will they want to say that kids that hunt or shoot can't come to school ? My family is raised with God and guns and we will defend our right to do so. How can anybody live in Crapafornia?
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The fact that it is Ca. in this case is just chance, the same type of stupid Crap happens everywhere the socialist education industry gets any authority.
Those of us who have a problem with FQ's opinions should remember that he is Attila the Hun compared to the mindless one world socialist sheep his profession surrounds him with.
While we are hanging politicians we need to make sure we get the members of the NEA and most college professors and about half the teachers.
Then implement a Civics test as a requirement for any one who wishes to be a teacher or serve on a school board.
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Yer right, Tom. It could happen pretty much in any state that was as screwed up as Commiefornia. Fact is though, this would NOT fly in a lot of other states (Florida for one). It was OFF CAMPUS!
I have HAD IT with companies that live or die by the 2A supporting those that wish to denie us our rights. I will not support those companies any more and I will tell them why.
Yes, I know that that is pretty much all companies but I intend to start with those that hold competitions or sponsor competitions in CA.
Rant still on.
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What surprises me is that Willows is a rural town with a population of less than 7000 people in the middle of a great hunting area so I would think the asshole principal must be an import.
It's not like it's LA or SF, it's Willows!
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The fact that it is Ca. in this case is just chance, the same type of stupid Crap happens everywhere the socialist education industry gets any authority.
Those of us who have a problem with FQ's opinions should remember that he is Attila the Hun compared to the mindless one world socialist sheep his profession surrounds him with.
While we are hanging politicians we need to make sure we get the members of the NEA and most college professors and about half the teachers.
Then implement a Civics test as a requirement for any one who wishes to be a teacher or serve on a school board.
You got that right Tom. The school districts zero tolerance policy's are ridiculous. They all have them and it could happen anywhere. But there are exceptions for private property and for lawful transportation of non-concealable weapons, this should have made it okay as this should have been legal to keep long guns in your car.
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The whole purpose behind "zero tolerance" policies is so that no one has to take responsibility, or actually make a decision.
No matter how stupid they just fall back on, "Well that's the policy", or "I don't make the policies".
Just like with the rest of society, no one is responsible for their actions. Hasan at Ft. Hood was a "pitiful victim" of harassment because some one scratched a bumper sticker off his car, The DC sniper was a "victim" because he had a rough childhood, and a welfare mother with 6 kids by 6 different guys is a "victim" of society.
There is no such thing as a murderous scumbag or a whore any more, they are all "victims".
I agree completely with that. They ARE victims, mostly they are victims of liberal BS and a education system run by communist infiltrators.
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The fact that it is Ca. in this case is just chance, the same type of stupid Crap happens everywhere the socialist education industry gets any authority.
Those of us who have a problem with FQ's opinions should remember that he is Attila the Hun compared to the mindless one world socialist sheep his profession surrounds him with.
While we are hanging politicians we need to make sure we get the members of the NEA and most college professors and about half the teachers.
Then implement a Civics test as a requirement for any one who wishes to be a teacher or serve on a school board.
You left out school administrators and principals. Tjhey are management to the teachers' labor.
We have seriously got to start chlorinating the gene pool!!!
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This is the reason I now home school my kids. Idiot liberals that are trying to condition my kids to be spineless jelly fish that are like the french.
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Been taking lessons from TomB.....putting my comments after sections of article text........ ;)
y RYAN OLSON - Staff Writer
Posted: 11/20/2009 12:09:32 AM PST
WILLOWS -- The Willows Unified School District board of trustees has expelled a 16-year-old for having unloaded shotguns in his pickup parked just off the Willows High School campus.
The board voted 4-0 Thursday to expel junior Gary Tudesko after the weapons were discovered via scent-sniffing dogs on Oct. 26. Board Vice President Alex Parisio abstained from the discussion and vote because he is related to Tudesko's family.
Expulsion hearings are normally held in closed sessions, but affected students and their parents can request a public hearing.
Susan Parisio defended her son during the 105-minute public hearing at Willows Civic Center. She acknowledged that Tudesko was lazy for not storing the shotguns at home after a morning of bird hunting, but she questioned the district's ability to enforce its policies off Willows High School property.
"My son was not even parked on school property," Parisio said.
What's next? Patrolling wal-mart parking lots with the dogs just looking for guns in cars?
Willows High Principal Mort Geivett and other district officials did not appear to dispute that the parking space was off school property, but they cited several justifications. One of them was the legal doctrine of in loco parentis — where school officials may act in place of a parent for school functions.
OK....so now the school system know what my kid needs better than I do and at any time can act in my place??
Geivett said the school was responsible for students traveling to and from school as well as during lunch. He said he believed that students should not possess weapons within 1,000 feet of campus.
So I guess if a kid falls on the sidewalk and breaks his arm on the way to school, the school system is responsible for the medical bills? You can't pick and choose responsibilities. If the kid had got into an accident would the school system be responsible then?
AKA, liberal BS for no one really needs to own guns at all and this is my way of handling it.
Geivett said he believed off-campus parking around the school was under the school's jurisdiction, in part because it is primarily used by students.
Does that also apply to wal-mart? Home? Neighbor's driveway? It's is off school property. OFF SCHOOL PROPERTY MEANS OFF SCHOOL PROPERTY.
"I'm erring on the safe side of protecting staff and kids," he said.
Erring on the side of being a liberal BS spouting control freak in search of power.
The incident began on Oct. 26 when scent-sniffing dogs detected something in a pickup on the street north of the tennis courts on West Willow Street. A Willows police officer did a search of the license plate and traced the pickup to Tudesko.
More like some nosy SOB was walking around smoking a cigarette off campus and was just peeking into cars to see what he could see and then saw a vicious gun and called the cops with the dogs.....to boost his 15 minutes.
Tudesko came out to the vehicle and said there were two shotguns and shells in the pickup. He opened his vehicle for a search, which revealed the guns on the rear seat as well as a knife with a 3-inch blade. The police held the weapons and the school suspended Tudesko for five days, which was later extended indefinitely until Thursday's hearing.
Geivett said the Education Code requires the school pursue expulsion, when a student is in possession of a firearm, knife or explosive without written permission from the school. He said he was concerned for the safety of students and staff.
Sounds more concerned about a future spot on the BOE.
"Gary should've known better than to come to campus with guns in his truck," Geivett said.
WHAT PART OF NOT ON SCHOOL PROPERTY DOES HE NOT UNDERSTAND?
In addition to the Education Code, the Gun-Free School Zone Act of 1995 bars possession of firearms within 1,000 feet of a school, but there are exceptions for private property and for lawful transportation of non-concealable weapons.
Being on private property should have negated the original need/desire for the unwarranted search in the first place. The rest speaks for itself. I understand the 16 year old is not of age to purchase the guns (and this is where many arguments will arise on this one), but during hunting season (in most normal places) the laws allow for underage persons to possess (with parental permission) and transport hunting arms.
Parisio said her son was raised in a family that has always owned guns.
"We have always, always stressed that safety is important," she said.
Parisio revisited the searches that uncovered the guns. She noted the canine search found two additional vehicles that resulted in the discovery of live ammunition.
Parisio compared the ammo to explosives — which is also covered by the mandatory expulsion law — and asked why there weren't expulsion hearings for those students.
In addition, one of the shotguns in Tudesko's pickup belonged to a friend who rode to school with Tudesko. Parisio asked why the school didn't punish this student as well.
"Selective enforcement in of itself is wrong," Parisio said.
The system picking and choosing to make a point and further an agenda. Plain and simple.
Before the end of the session, Tudesko spoke briefly. He apologized for his actions and said he wanted to be on time for school. Tudesko said he believed it was all right to park on a public street with the unloaded weapons.
No need to apologize, son, you broke no laws.
After the hearing, several school board members declined to comment on their decision.
No need to open our mouths and prove our foolishness beyond what our actions have already shown.
Parisio said she will appeal the district's decision to the Glenn County Board of Education. If the decision is upheld and her son is sent to a continuation school, Parisio said she would likely home-school Tudesko.
Where is the ACLU on this one?? This is the type of stuff I wish the NRA would get involved in.
http://www.chicoer.com/news/ci_13831318
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I have one comment for the The Willows Unified School District School system.......... BASTARDS!
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um why was a dog there? thats the real Q.
it sounds really odd that a dog would find the guns... more so on private property.
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Your right I do not think they have gun sniffing dogs and why are they searching a vehicle off of the school property.
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um why was a dog there? thats the real Q.
it sounds really odd that a dog would find the guns... more so on private property.
Unless he was snitched on by another student? Perhaps?
But still,......
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snitches get stitches
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Yer right, Tom. It could happen pretty much in any state that was as screwed up as Commiefornia. Fact is though, this would NOT fly in a lot of other states (Florida for one). It was OFF CAMPUS!
I have HAD IT with companies that live or die by the 2A supporting those that wish to denie us our rights. I will not support those companies any more and I will tell them why.
Yes, I know that that is pretty much all companies but I intend to start with those that hold competitions or sponsor competitions in CA.
Rant still on.
That rant is still on.
Start with the companies that actually support the anti-gun politicians campaigns. I think we need to circulate a PDF listing all of these companies. We'll need to bust those supporters if we're going to change anything in these states that have similar BS (CA, NY, IL, WI, etc.). California is still the largest market for guns (and everything else) and we can beat them, if they have their financing cut.
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It's not like it's LA or SF, it's Willows!
No, it's California.
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Unless he was snitched on by another student? Perhaps?
But still,......
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that would be really hard to back up in court.
willows is not like the CA you guys know.( infact most of nor cal is not the CA you know)
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that would be really hard to back up in court.
willows is not like the CA you guys know.( infact most of nor cal is not the CA you know)
You beat me to it TAB. I was going to make the same statement as to the fact that this part of CA is not the same as southern and bay area.
We hunt, fish, still have cattle drives through town, issued concealed carry.
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You beat me to it TAB. I was going to make the same statement as to the fact that this part of CA is not the same as southern and bay area.
We hunt, fish, still have cattle drives through town, issued concealed carry.
And have asshole school admins expelling kids for parking their car on a public street with 2 shotguns in it.
Not like the rest of CA my ass. You have to obey the same state laws as everyone in SF.
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And have asshole school admins expelling kids for parking their car on a public street with 2 shotguns in it.
Not like the rest of CA my ass. You have to obey the same state laws as everyone in SF.
I'm sure I could go to ND and find a few assholes, just happen to be more of them in CA!
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I'm sure I could go to ND and find a few assholes, just happen to be more of them in CA!
With all the A$$holes CA has I wonder why they have'nt found a way to collect the emissions to go totally green and have enough left over to sell.
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I'm sure I could go to ND and find a few assholes, just happen to be more of them in CA!
Yeah, you could. The mayor of Fargo is one in particular - he joined and is still a part of the Bloomberg coalition. BUT - and this is big - state law overrides everything he tries to do, and the sum total of his gun grabbing has been to force the retail stores to put ammunition behind a locked glass case or behind the counter. Even so, one store does not even do that.
Schools are schools, but here - especially in the rural areas where we hunt, fish, still have cattle drives through town - the schools are still controlled by the NEA, but local parents do still exert a lot of control that counter-balances things
BTW - concealed carry in ND is shall issue and is run by the state, not the individual Sheriffs. They only handle the paperwork.
It's gotta be frustrating as all hell to live in CA and see people in a lot of other states have freedoms and liberties based on rights that are denied to you. Band together and go for a 14th Amendment action. Oh wait, that is already happening. ;D
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mgeivett@willowsunified.org
Here is the Principals email. Vent on him.
Some good comments after the article...
Please note exemption number 3
State law prohibits the possession of a firearm within 1,000 feet of a school, grades K 12, and a violation is a misdemeanor/felony.
The exemptions are: 1) having the written permission of school authorities; 2) the otherwise lawful possession of a firearm in a residence, place of business, or on private property providing such places are not part of a school's grounds; [font=Verdana]3) the firearm is unloaded and is being transported in a motor vehicle in compliance with state laws governing the transportation of firearms in motor vehicles;[/font][/font] 4) when the person possessing the firearm reasonably believes that he or she is in grave danger because of circumstances forming the basis of a current restraining order issued by a court against another person or persons who has or have been found to pose a threat to his or her life or safety; 5) when lawfully shooting on private property for such purposes as hunting or target shooting; and 6) law enforcement, the military; persons who lawfully possess firearms in the course of their employment, and people who hold a permit to carry a concealed weapon (CCW). A violation of this law can be prosecuted as either a misdemeanor or a felony. The intent is to allow felony conviction of persons engaged in criminal activities, such as drug dealers, and misdemeanor convictions of persons guilty of less serious offenses
Doesn't sound like he broke any laws to me.
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With all the A$$holes CA has I wonder why they have'nt found a way to collect the emissions to go totally green and have enough left over to sell.
Green? Is there such a thing as going brown?
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About half way through his Aunt called Tom Gresham.
http://cdn3.libsyn.com/guntalk/091122guntalkA.mp3?nvb=20091123160259&nva=20091124161259&t=08cf0f939ad8cd10d74b0
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I smell lawsuit.[/b]
If the kid wasn't on school property, too bad for them. What the hell are they doing going around public streets with dogs sniffing vehicles anyway? 4th Amendment anyone?
Where's Tom and his rope? We're gonna need it.
I hope the kid owns the whole county by this time next year!!! Not even in todays world of crap USA is this legit!!! >:( >:( >:(
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Here is the FOX interview
http://video.foxnews.com/#/11857538/zero-tolerance-or-overreaction/?category_id=949437d0db05ed5f5b9954dc049d70b0c12f2749
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Have you ever wondered why every 50/75 years China kills all the teachers & smart people and starts over.
NOW YOU KNOW WHY
So smart they are stupid.
Thank god red necks are safe.clickclickclickclickclickclickclickcome on CLYED GIDDY UP
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Isn't this illegal search & seizure? I hope Gresham backs these people & helps them kick some schoolboard/school butt. I'm sure there are plenty of sleezy lawyers in Ca that could help them win this. If not, Fl has an abundance they could loan them!
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Isn't this illegal search & seizure? I hope Gresham backs these people & helps them kick some schoolboard/school butt. I'm sure there are plenty of sleezy lawyers in Ca that could help them win this. If not, Fl has an abundance they could loan them!
THe way I read the article he consented to the actual search of the vehicle, and volunteered the information that the guns were contained therein.
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The main arguements are 1 the vehicle was off campus
2 why wasn't the other student expelled
3 why didn't anything happen to the drivers of the 2 vehicles that had live ammo in them
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The main arguements are 1 the vehicle was off campus
2 why wasn't the other student expelled who the other shotgun belong to
3 why didn't anything happen to the drivers of the 2 vehicles that had live ammo in them
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From Ranger Dave,
"3 why didn't anything happen to the drivers of the 2 vehicles that had live ammo in them"
At least one was according to the Gun Talk interview.
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Freakin dogs have some GOOOOOD noses! The guns were fired outside, hours before hand. :-\ Something to keep in mind as our country goes off the deep end.
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Tom
thanks for the correction I was finally able to listen to the Gun Talk link last night