The Down Range Forum
Member Section => Tactical Rifle & Carbine => Topic started by: WatchManUSA on September 02, 2013, 01:04:48 PM
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"TrackingPoint introduces the world's first precision guided firearm -- the revolutionary new long-range shooting system that puts jet-fighter lock and launch technology in a rifle enabling anyone to hit moving targets at extended ranges".
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Fire by wire and it could also "pull the trigger" the ultimate "surprise break".
Also sounds like there is enough information for the whole action to be mounted on a servo controlled gimbals mount can find the sweet spot.
Just sit in your underground bunker and "mark" the target and relax.
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Is it really "hunting" if the computer does it for you from 1200 yards away?
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Somebody probably said the same thing when bows & arrows replaces the spear or when people used guns instead of a bow & arrow.
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Stephen Hunter "used" this technology a couple years ago in a book. He said in an interview that it was only a matter if time before someone developed it. The application and integration of existing technologies is the next wave of the future.
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Stephen Hunter "used" this technology a couple years ago in a book. He said in an interview that it was only a matter if time before someone developed it. The application and integration of existing technologies is the next wave of the future.
That was "I Sniper".
Bob Lee Swagger used a conventionally scoped bolt action to kill the guy who was relying on it .
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That was "I Sniper".
Bob Lee Swagger used a conventionally scoped bolt action to kill the guy who was relying on it .
Swagger used a whole lot more than the rifle to do the job.
He use skill, knowledge and, perhaps, understanding of the thought patterns of accomplished snipers, which his foe was.
He checked out the area, found where a sniper would pick to make his shot then went to the "target area", ranged his shot for a sniper in that position and just waited for the guy to show up with his fancy gear.
Swagger just eliminated the advantage of the fancy gear by eliminating his need for it by setting up for the shot in advance.
Not technically superior...just smarter.
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Swagger used a whole lot more than the rifle to do the job.
He use skill, knowledge and, perhaps, understanding of the thought patterns of accomplished snipers, which his foe was.
He checked out the area, found where a sniper would pick to make his shot then went to the "target area", ranged his shot for a sniper in that position and just waited for the guy to show up with his fancy gear.
Swagger just eliminated the advantage of the fancy gear by eliminating his need for it by setting up for the shot in advance.
Not technically superior...just smarter.
None of which takes batteries.
The point however is that technology can not beat experience.
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Wonder how said technology would work against say, a drone? 8)
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They use the term "ethical" and I would say it is anything but. Two of the great challenges of ethically harvesting game at distance is dealing with the environmental conditions and animal behavior. The hunter must be able to understand the wind "patterns" for shooting beyond say 300 yards or so, as well as slight humidity variations due to dark vs. light foliage, water, etc over which the bullet passes. These could be measured through the path of the bullet flight, but then what would be the use? This is where DOPE comes into play for the skilled long-range marksman. Doing it at the range is one thing, in the field is another.
Then you have animal behavior. When we are talking TOF of the bullet in the range of even 1/4 second up to 1 second or more, the slight movement of the animal takes a fatal shot to a wounding shot. Study of the game animal in the specific region is imperative to understand that when a certain animal does X, I have a window of Y seconds to send it.
That is not even to mention bullet performance at range.
I have taken many head of big game with all manner of arms. Last Saturday, I harvested a Buck Pronghorn killed at a distance of 680 yards. I have close to 1000 rounds downrange from 300 to 700 yards to measure group size, cold to hot bore shift, ballistic gelatin performance, and to assess my skill at seeing the wind, humidity, etc. in the field. I have, over the last 12 years, hunted that same unit 8 times and spent 22 days watching, predicting, measuring and learning the unit and the animals in that unit. Sure, the Buck I wanted, after waiting 12 years for my tag, got shot by a group of road hunters who shot over 15 rounds at it, but I was still happy with my harvest and the skill it took to get there. BTW, my self imposed maximum range was 700 yards due to bullet performance. I can hit the kill zone out to about 1000 with my rig, but I could not get bullet performance to ensure a clean kill. When you are more than 1/4 mile away, you have to be able to prove you can kill game cleanly.
Yes, I have a ballistics program on my phone, and it helps, but it won't teach you animal behavior nor will it teach you to read the environmental conditions across the path of your bullet.
BTW, in the movie, which was fiction, Swagger was used to frame himself, not make the shot.
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BTW, in the movie, which was fiction, Swagger was used to frame himself, not make the shot.
Mark- I believe the book they are talking about is I Sniper. The movie Shooter was based on the book Point of Impact.
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Mark- I believe the book they are talking about is I Sniper. The movie Shooter was based on the book Point of Impact.
Yes, the movie where they framed Swagger for shooting the foreign dignitary. I guess I should read another book. :)
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Read my post on "Cranky Gun boards" where I got in the shat for using scent on a fly. "Ethical" is for hunting. Its a game. War? Just kill the SOB. The down side is we want our guys to not rely on batteries and satellites and still be able to navigate, drop bombs, and make a 1000 yard shot if the power goes out.
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Okay, here is one you might actually be able to afford, and the auto-fire is not part of it:
http://www.ammoland.com/2013/10/remington-2020-rifle-digital-optic-system/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter#axzz2ieFvBkbL
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The movie MarkCO is talking about is "Sniper", it is based on Hunter's book "Point of Impact".
It had Mark Wahlberg plating Swagger.
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The movie MarkCO is talking about is "Sniper" Shooter, it is based on Hunter's book "Point of Impact".
It had Mark Wahlberg plating Swagger.
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One of the high points of that movie was Kate Mare. Beautiful eyes.
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The movie MarkCO is talking about is "Sniper", it is based on Hunter's book "Point of Impact".
It had Mark Wahlberg plating Swagger.
"Shooter" was the movie with Wahlberg, I think.
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Yes you're right. Shooter not sniper.
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Yes you're right. Shooter not sniper.
"Sniper" was a so-so movie..... supposedly mimicking some of Hathcock's feats...... With a little extra production value and money it could have been a way better movie.
I wish someone would produce a movie actually about Carlos Hathcock........ I might actually go to a theater for that. ;D