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Member Section => Tactical Rifle & Carbine => Topic started by: jaybet on December 23, 2015, 08:57:01 AM
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Hi everyone...I've been thinking of getting a .308 just for target shooting, and maybe a hog hunt at some point. I don't want to spend a mint, I'm not really enamoured of the 308 in AR platform either. I've been looking at lower end bolt guns, but I think that semi auto would be fun and more practical if the hunt goes off. But...I'm not sure there are many options there.
Anyone have any ideas?
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I wanted a bolt action .308 and ended up with the MVP. Not a favorite of their bolt design, but the good side is that M14 magazines are compatable. It's a scout rifle, but with the scope mount set back over the bolt, which I prefer.
If you like the true "Scout" concept there's the Ruger.
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If you want a semi-auto the M1A comes in a half dozen varieties. http://www.springfield-armory.com/m1a-series/
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If you want a semi-auto the M1A comes in a half dozen varieties. http://www.springfield-armory.com/m1a-series/
Yeah Jumbo, NICE. Probably a little more price than I can handle since I've been buying new knees for my dog like they're doggie biscuits. I've always wanted one too. I have to check the NJ gun nazi regs on that one too.
Is 7.62/.308 the same deal as 5.6/.223, where you can shoot the American caliber through the NATO gun but not the other way around?
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7.62has thicker brass than 308.
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I have a Tikka T3 lite in .308 and it's a fantastic rifle. The recoil was a bit sharp until I put on a limbsaver but now it's a real pleasure to shoot. It easily shoots sub one inch groups at 100 yds off the bench. I picked that after going to the gun store and "trying on" a bunch of rifles. That and the Ruger scout were my favorites but I went with the Tikka because of price and since I was looking for primarily a hunting rifle the reduced weight was a big plus.
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7.62has thicker brass than 308.
So they are NOT interchangeable like .223?
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You can shoot .308 in a 7.62mm but you shouldn't shoot 7.62 in a .308. That's what I always heard anyway. The NATO round has higher pressure.
ETA: I guess I got it backward. Wikipedia says the .308 has higher pressure but lists them both as the same maximum. One thing I heard was not to shoot .308 in an M1A in certain bullet weights or it will bend the operating rod but someone else says its okay to use any .308. I've heard both sides of the debate for years but does anyone really know?
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I looked at Wikipedia again and their best advice was this. While the debate goes both ways, the ATF recommends checking the stamping on the barrel; if one is unsure, one can consult the maker of the firearm.
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Thanks. It sounds to me like it's a similar situation to the 5.56/.223 situation, where there are warnings etc., then other people saying "bah, humbug".
308 is plentiful and I'll eventually load it, so I guess I would just stick with that anyway.
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Best bet is same as the smaller caliber, shoot what it's marked for.
Keep in mind that there is no such thing as surplus 308 while you can get surplus 7.62 .
Also, most semi auto rifles will be military style chambered in 7.62 .
Another thing to keep in mind is that semi auto's will be sensitive about bullet weight, a heavier bullet can result in bent or broken parts.
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Jay, you might want to look at the Remington 750,It's a very soft shooting semi and larger magazines should be available for it.
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Thanks I'll check it out.
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I will ditto the Tikka T3s. I owned a Lite and it was a sweet shooter. A very smooth action. I hardily recommend it for a conventional configured bolt action. They also now make a scout/tactical model as well. Only draw back is limited magazine availability.
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The Remington 750 looks good and comes in synthetic or wood stocked rifles and carbines. The American walnut stock and fore-end will cost you an extra $120. It seem logical that the thicker brass on the 7.62 would have slightly reduced capacity. How this causes lower pressure than the .308 instead of higher pressure is still a mystery to me.
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I'm with Frank. I like the Remington 750. There is the Browning BAR...but I like the feel of the Remington better.
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My dad had a .30-06 Remington 740 and it was a good gun that he used to take deer when he wasn't shooting his Winchester .30-30. High capacity mags were made for it and I bet they are for the 750 which seems to be an improved version of the 740 series. The BAR is a nice looking gun too but the ones I looked at were more expensive than the Remingtons. BARs are also available in magnum calibers so they should be built pretty solid but I always liked the looks of Remingtons. I don't know how either one handles but that would make a difference too.
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Have you thought of the FNAR ?
http://www.fnhusa.com/products/autoloading-rifles/fnar-standard/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_FNAR
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FNAR would be nice, or an H&K 91 maybe even better, but both more money than I'm prepared to spend now. I may end up at a Cabela's or something, shuffling through their used racks.
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DON'T GET SUCKED INTO ONE OF THOSE CENTURY CETME'S.
They SUCK!
The guns are fine, but the sights were put on by drunk monkey's. You can not adjust them enough to get on paper and they are welded on.
Alf would know better, but I THOUGHT I saw some one like Winchester selling theFNAR under another name for about 2/3 the price.
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I don't know nuttin' about no CETME's.
But I do have the FNAR. It's based on the Browning BAR (not the machine gun). Smooth operating. I only have about 100 rounds through it, but really like the way it operates. I wanted a .308 semi in the armory and decided that the FNAR was good compromise price-wise compared to a FNAL or a M1A1. Also magazines don't break the bank and are available in larger than 5 rounds.
Tikka now offers 10 rounders and their tactical versions may even have larger capacity available.
I have a 2-8X-32mm Nikon M3 BDC on my .308 bolt action and am in process of putting same scope on the FNAR, so both .308s will have the same scope.
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Been reading up on the Remington 750. While there are some happy campers there is just a massive assload of bad comment on the gun for not running...seems especially prominent in the .308 version.
Reading that though I've discovered the Rem 7600...pump action .308. That's interesting and gets much better reviews.
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Been reading up on the Remington 750. While there are some happy campers there is just a massive assload of bad comment on the gun for not running...seems especially prominent in the .308 version.
Reading that though I've discovered the Rem 7600...pump action .308. That's interesting and gets much better reviews.
I was wondering if anyone was going to bring up the 7600.
My Grandpa had one of those and it ended up at our house after he passed for a couple of months when I was 17 or so. I really liked the way it felt but I'm a fan of the AR-10 and I have a HK91 clone (needs a new barrel, front sight and cocking tube~$300). ;)
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Other than Century's pass poor workmanship, the only thing wrong with the HK 91/CETME family is the fluted chamber is rough on brass.
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The HK91 is the one I've wanted for 30+ years. When I finally had money to buy one they quit importing them and the price went up so I couldn't afford one after all. And when I saw one at an auction I was outbid and it just kept going up. I've always wanted one and never cared what it did to the brass but people want too much for them. I guess one of the various ARs would have to suffice.