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Title: CA legal "featureless" AR-15s
Post by: Big Frank on April 11, 2017, 10:58:59 PM
Ruger is making a "featureless" version of their AR-556 that's California legal. Stag Arms is making a bunch of variations with the same type of stock and other makers are coming up with other solutions to the California-legal AR problem. This monstrosity has a thumb-hole stock without the illegal thumb-hole. I'm glad I'm in a state that at least halfway respects the second amendment. This thing is so ugly and awkward looking it won't likely be bought by anyone living in the "free" states. http://www.ruger.com/products/ar556/specSheets/8510.html
Title: Re: CA legal "featureless" AR-15s
Post by: PegLeg45 on April 12, 2017, 12:24:26 PM
Instead of finding ways to comply with these absurd laws, I'd really love to see these manufacturers follow Ronnie Barrett's lead and just forsake Kalifornia all together.
If normal everyday folk can't own a particular weapon, then refuse to sell to agencies of the law as well (including repair/replacement parts).

In the words of the Anthony Hopkins character Col. Ludlow, "Screw 'em!!!"

When the "gang bangers" are still armed and supplied and the cops are hamstrung and can't get crap to work with, maybe they will open their eyes to the situation of the regular law abiding citizens of that state.

And yes, I know this would also hurt good folks who want firearms, but then this could be the impetus to DO SOMETHING (but I doubt it). They have sat on their thumbs for forty years and allowed this to happen. Almost every other state is working to allow better arming of it's citizens and CA wants to be like England.
Title: Re: CA legal "featureless" AR-15s
Post by: Big Frank on April 12, 2017, 01:10:16 PM
I agree 100% that none of these firearms manufacturers should sell to any state agency in Commiefornia until civilians can buy them too.

If I was the gun store owner the cops went to during the North Hollywood shootout I wouldn't have given them any AR-15s or other firearms. I would have told them to fill out the proper paperwork and come back in 15 days. After all it's the law, and I wouldn't want to get in trouble with the ATF. If anyone thinks that the cops shouldn't have to wait to get a gun when they need one, please explain to me why civilians should. It may sound extreme, but the law shouldn't apply only to civilians and not the police. And if the police don't like it they should help to get the law changed.
Title: Re: CA legal "featureless" AR-15s
Post by: BAC on April 12, 2017, 01:25:26 PM
On the other hand, the real Hera CQR stock/foregrip looks pretty bad ass, IMO:

(https://gastatic.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/hera-arms-cqr-stock-and-foregrip.jpg)
Title: Re: CA legal "featureless" AR-15s
Post by: tombogan03884 on April 12, 2017, 01:57:43 PM
I agree with Pegleg and Frank.
Don't cater to these a holes.
If they want the guns let them change their laws.
Title: Re: CA legal "featureless" AR-15s
Post by: TAB on April 12, 2017, 03:06:06 PM
i always said it would only take 1 new gun law to fix ca gun laws...


Laws apply to every one in the state including on duty sworn LEO.



with in 6 months all of the ca laws would go away.


even prison guard are exempt form the ca crap... so are paper pushers at the doj.
Title: Re: CA legal "featureless" AR-15s
Post by: Solus on April 12, 2017, 03:12:17 PM
i always said it would only take 1 new gun law to fix ca gun laws...


Laws apply to every one in the state including on duty sworn LEO.



with in 6 months all of the ca laws would go away.


even prison guard are exempt form the ca crap... so are paper pushers at the doj.

I like that 1 gun law idea.

I'd love to see the officials dance when asked why they need better armament when the law keep criminals from having any guns at all.

When they say that the laws don't stop criminals from getting guns,  they will need to defend why they passed all of them if they believe that
Title: Re: CA legal "featureless" AR-15s
Post by: Big Frank on April 12, 2017, 10:43:31 PM
On the other hand, the real Hera CQR stock/foregrip looks pretty bad ass, IMO:

(https://gastatic.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/hera-arms-cqr-stock-and-foregrip.jpg)

The fore grip looks okay if you like the P90 look but I wouldn't want a non-adjustable butt-stock with a 12" length of pull. I guess it would be okay if you wear body armor 100% of the time but if I wanted a non-adjustable stock I would get an A1 or A2 style. Also with a VFG you have a choice of having your hand vertical or horizontal and can move it around. With this one you're pretty much stuck with one position.
Title: Re: CA legal "featureless" AR-15s
Post by: Jim Kennedy-ar154me on April 13, 2017, 07:31:00 AM
Most of you already know this but Barrett Firearms does NOT deal with California for exactly the reasons stated here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrett_Firearms_Manufacturing

In the history section is where it explains.

When Ca outlawed .50 cal Barrett stopped dealing with Ca. totally including  not fixing any rifles sent by LEO's and if memory serves (usually doesn't) he even told them they would have to come to his shop to pick up the ones he had in for repair as he refused to ship them back.

Got to love a man/company with a set of balls.
Title: Re: CA legal "featureless" AR-15s
Post by: Solus on April 13, 2017, 09:29:04 AM
Most of you already know this but Barrett Firearms does NOT deal with California for exactly the reasons stated here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrett_Firearms_Manufacturing

In the history section is where it explains.

When Ca outlawed .50 cal Barrett stopped dealing with Ca. totally including  not fixing any rifles sent by LEO's and if memory serves (usually doesn't) he even told them they would have to come to his shop to pick up the ones he had in for repair as he refused to ship them back.

Got to love a man/company with a set of balls.

I'd say firearms enthusiasts could place a lot of financial leverage on gun manufactures who did not follow Barrett's example.
Title: Re: CA legal "featureless" AR-15s
Post by: les snyder on April 13, 2017, 11:21:19 AM
I think one of the ARES SCR lowers would be my choice, a little pricey

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=ShJ8w3VN&id=8ED2633E16A85538F26CA6BE33B1AC7F91377E86&q=ares+ar15+stock&simid=608031559386727815&selectedIndex=3&ajaxhist=0
Title: Re: CA legal "featureless" AR-15s
Post by: Big Frank on April 13, 2017, 02:57:11 PM
I read a review on the ARES SCR. Gander Mountain sold out at $899.99 so they are on the expensive side. It might still be worth it if you live in a communist state, but the trigger pull is 10.4 pounds according to one review (less in other reviews). And several reviews say how terrible the trigger is besides the heavy pull. Since it's a proprietary design you can't drop in an AR match trigger group. The trigger would be a deal breaker for me.
Title: Re: CA legal "featureless" AR-15s
Post by: Big Frank on April 15, 2017, 06:53:46 PM
Here's another featureless AR stock. The pictures I've seen with it mounted don't look half bad. Much better than the HERA QCR IMO. http://www.thordsencustoms.com/frs-15-rifle-stock/frs-15-stock-kits/
Title: Re: CA legal "featureless" AR-15s
Post by: MikeBjerum on April 16, 2017, 12:54:26 PM
Instead of finding ways to comply with these absurd laws, I'd really love to see these manufacturers follow Ronnie Barrett's lead and just forsake Kalifornia all together.
If normal everyday folk can't own a particular weapon, then refuse to sell to agencies of the law as well (including repair/replacement parts).

In the words of the Anthony Hopkins character Col. Ludlow, "Screw 'em!!!"

When the "gang bangers" are still armed and supplied and the cops are hamstrung and can't get crap to work with, maybe they will open their eyes to the situation of the regular law abiding citizens of that state.

And yes, I know this would also hurt good folks who want firearms, but then this could be the impetus to DO SOMETHING (but I doubt it). They have sat on their thumbs for forty years and allowed this to happen. Almost every other state is working to allow better arming of it's citizens and CA wants to be like England.

B-I-N-G-O !!!
Title: Re: CA legal "featureless" AR-15s
Post by: TAB on April 16, 2017, 05:45:24 PM
B-I-N-G-O !!!

you can say that all you want, but as long as there is money to be made( and lots of it) it will never happen.


barret is such a small market its really didn't cost him anything.


oh yeah before any one brings up sti, they already did not sell in CA except to leos, then 2 weeks after barret did his thing, they made  ahuge pollitcal statement saying they cut off sales to CA.   only they were not selling any ca for almost 7 years before that.   Its why I will never buy an sti product.
Title: Re: CA legal "featureless" AR-15s
Post by: Big Frank on April 16, 2017, 10:18:08 PM
STI pistols are too expensive but if I needed another reason not to get one I think I just got it.
Title: Re: CA legal "featureless" AR-15s
Post by: TAB on April 16, 2017, 10:32:26 PM
So you are ok with them lieing for marketing purposes in a "jump on the band wagon" deal?


They were not selling in ca, them magically after barret did his thing, they made some hige public announcement that they stopped selling to.ca.

Sorry, thats a dick move, barret did it for the right reasons, sti did it too sell more guns.
Title: Re: CA legal "featureless" AR-15s
Post by: Big Frank on April 16, 2017, 10:47:03 PM
I'm never okay with a business lying. That's a good reason to tell them to f*** off.