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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Rastus on July 08, 2017, 09:26:59 AM
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I can find 500 round bricks at $30 now. There is some ambiguity now because we have 325 round bricks, 525 round bricks, etc. I just saw 525 round brick on Palmetto State Armory for $29.99 or 5.7 cents a round.
So....let's just say for the old 500 round bricks to be the standard of comparison. Before this last craziness $14 was a good price....around 2.8 cents a round. I'm thinking we'll get down to about 3.7 cents a round or $18.50 a brick sometimes 1 qtr of 2018...after main hunting season and the holidays.
Whaddya' think?
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It is all on Trump's doorstep!
Reopen lead mines, loosen overreaching barriers (OSHA, BATFE, DOT, etc.), And deal with anti Second Amendment elected and appointed not sure.
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The price increase was due to supply and demand,while some people here were paying up to $75.00 a brick, a friend up in Canada was telling me there was no shortage up there with the shelves fully stocked and regular prices.The fact that people were willing to pay the higher prices will most likely lead to .22 ammo being in the $30-35 a brick of 500 price as the new "Normal". Hopefully I'm wrong,but that's the way I see it.
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It will eventually come down, but it's going to take some time. I've seen reloadable brass 9 MM under $10.00 a box. And .45 ACP under $14.00. Those are pre Obama prices. Lead shot is right around $30.00 @ 25 pound bag. Which is also down from $50.00+ during the Obama administration.
As was mentioned, .22 ammo is all over the map, because amounts are all over the map. 325, 500, 525, and 550 round bulk boxes are everywhere. Then you have the Remington 1,400 round, "Bucket-O-Bullets". So you have to figure everything back to a price per round, in order to be able to do a realistic comparison.
Another thing are all the different grades of .22 ammo now available. You have bulk, Mini Mag, and other high velocity. Then you have the ultra high velocity stuff like Stinger's and Velociter's. Then you have all the subsonic and novelty ammo like CB Long, 60 Grain Agulia, Colibri primer powered loads, Piney Mountain Tracer Loads, and the like. If that isn't bad enough, you also have all of the high end target ammo, that can run higher than most center fire per round. I've seen ultra premium .22 L.R. target ammo as high as $20.00 @ box of 50.
All of this makes pricing extremely confusing from back in the days when you bought either Winchester Western / Super X, Remington / Peters, or Federal by the 500 round brick. And it was all within a few cents of each other.
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Right now the consensus is $23.125 per 500 rd brick...that's 4.625 cents per round.
I picked the mid range and weight averaged based on the number of votes. I'd like sub $20...but $23.13 a brick would be especially tolerable right now.
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I have to pass all these deals up.
Having found the one brand that shoots in my .22s with outstanding accuracy, YMMV, why would I won't to throw money away buying something that won't group well?
Guess which brand I buy?
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Gun-General/i-9TrMZbS/0/07a90c1f/L/Target072910-02-L.jpg)
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Alf,
I have good luck with CCI Standard Velocity as well, in most all of my .22's.
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That's one thing I've found out long ago...22's are sometimes vveeerrrryyyy finicky about what they eat. I have a Matchmaster that makes one hole sighted in at 45 yards (works best for me) using cheap Remington gold but can't hit a 5 gallon bucket at 25 yards with dynapoints.
However, I do buy the bulk and use it for training. I alternate centerfire pistol with the rimfire to catch myself drifting into bad habits....
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I have found that rifles are less finicky than handguns. While I do find that there is a slight improvement with some over others, it isn't like the variations with a handgun. I think it has to do with length of time in the barrel and the stabilizing affect that gives.
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During some downtime this noon I did some web research. Cheapest I found with several suppliers was six cents per, or $30 per 500. I also found a lot of offers that are out of stock and out of stock with no backorder. This tells me that the demand is still out pacing supply, and we have a little more wait for deflation.
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I also found a lot of offers that are out of stock and out of stock with no backorder.
Little ol' lady goes into Abraham's butcher shop and ask how much is ground chuck today. Abraham says they're $5/lb. "Vhat!" she says. "Azarel across the street has a sign that they're $4/lb at his store." "Then go buy them from Azarel," says Abraham. The old lady replies that Azarel is out of them. Abraham replies, "I could sell them to you all day long for $2.50/lb if I was out of them."
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Majer, it wasn't all supply and demand. The cost of raw materials was up across the board and availability of these materials was hit and miss. That has moderated somewhat. Not sure why .22 is still up and center fire has come down. Hoarding or buying all you could afford or stocking up didn't help things either.
Richard
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Based on the votes and using the middle of the range in each one the average price is expected to fall to $22.50 per brick.
So...you can still vote if you'd like to.
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Based on the votes and using the middle of the range in each one the average price is expected to fall to $22.50 per brick.
I would guess that to be pretty accurate. People are just about tapped out overpaying and hoarding .22 ammo. The price has nowhere to go but down.
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Long gone are the days of major brands of high velocity 40 grain solids going on sale for 99 cents per box of 50. But I still have some of that old ammo and haven't bought any of the outrageously priced ammo of the Obama era except for specialized loads. I expect the non-sale price of 40 grain high velocity ammo to settle down to something over $2 per box/$20 per brick.
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Long gone are the days of major brands of high velocity 40 grain solids going on sale for 99 cents per box of 50.
Two cents per round??? What??? Are you made of money? I remember paying less than a penny a round. In 1971, I took firearm safety. The instructor talked to us about making a humane kill, and showed us how to dispatch a wounded rabbit or squirrel so we did not need to waste the penny by firing a second shot when the animal was at our feet.
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Here are some Federal hollow point copper swashed. It's 275 round boxes at $12.99 which is $23.62 for 500. Palmetto State Armory...sorry Bill.
http://palmettostatearmory.com/federal-22-lr-38gr-cphp-field-pack-ammunition-275-round-box-730.html (http://palmettostatearmory.com/federal-22-lr-38gr-cphp-field-pack-ammunition-275-round-box-730.html)
Price includes shipping.
They also have HK VP9 tactical for $550. It's my new favorite Tupperware offering....
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Here are some Federal hollow point copper swashed. It's 275 round boxes at $12.99 which is $23.62 for 500.
Price includes shipping.
They also have HK VP9 tactical for $550. It's my new favorite Tupperware offering....
Link! Link!
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Better?
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Better?
Thank you.
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How many did you order? I have 10 boxes coming.
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How many did you order? I have 10 boxes coming.
I ordered 7. I don't have a real need for more .22 L.R. But that's a good price.
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I'm going to start shooting more now that I am practicing retirement and 22 is a big part of that. It really helps me to switch off the centerfire to a 22 to keep the bad habits from creeping in too quickly.
Plus...I gotta bunch of old 22 of various flavors. A lot of which is plain lead head because that is what you could get back when. I need to put it downrange and then upgrade with the hollow point and copper swashing. Back in the crunch I said I'd never be caught with less than 25,000 rounds of 22LR to plink with. I am not there yet but I am keeping that in mind.
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I'm shooting more .22 L.R. now that I'm retired as well. It gets me out of the house, and into some fresh air. Not so much now because of the heat. But in the cooler weather for sure. My gun club just raised the yearly membership fee to $100.00 a year. (Up from $90.00). So I'm hoping to get my money's worth out of it, just as soon as it starts cooling off.
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My annual membership is $380. You are bustin' my chops here...
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My annual membership is $380. You are bustin' my chops here...
It must be a hell of a joint!
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At William's Gun Sight I can get an Outdoor Annual Range Pass good for rifle/handgun and skeet/trap ranges for $100. I think it was only $70 when I had one several years ago. It would get me free entrance to the outdoor rifle/handgun ranges, and discounted rates on the skeet/trap ranges if I ever shot clays. It's $8 by the day.
I've never been to the indoor range but it's only 25 yards long. Daily Pistol Fees are; Half Hour – $14; Full Hour – $18. Daily Rifle, Shotgun, and Muzzloader Fees are; Half Hour – $18; Full Hour – $24, and they have 10% off for active military, law enforcement, & seniors 65+. They have gun rentals now; Handgun – $15 (up to 3 handguns per visit) and Rifle – $20 (up to 3 rifles per visit), plus range costs, and you have to use their ammo. I checked to see what they have to rent and it's less than 100 guns.
I don't know when I'll ever get to the range but I have more than a footlocker full of ammo. There's some .22 ammo in there that's probably over 20 years old. I should use that up before I worry about getting more.
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It must be a hell of a joint!
$300/yr. I get 3 Action Pistol bays, one with 2 sets of plates. 10 Cowboy bays, 2 with 2 sets of plates each good out to 30yds. One dedicated Shotgun pattern bay. One .22lr and one centerfire plinking bays with tons of swingers. One 24+ position bay 100yd rifle range and one 24+position bay 200yd rifle range. One 25 position 50 yard pistol Bullseye bay with a 4 position 50yd magnum pistol bay with a Ransom rest. One 600yd traditional National match rifle bay. One 300yd reduced National Match bay. One 100yd .22lr only rifle bay. And of course a field shotgun course, trap and skeet bays but they charge extra per round.
If I take a handful of pistol and rifles I can spend all day shooting.
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http://www.phoenixrodandgun.org/
A C-Note a year for me. I only use about 20% of the ranges. And most of the time have them to myself if I go early on Monday morning.
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most of my shooting is 9mm in the form of an AR 9 for PCC...since switching to a 9mm G43 carry pistol it gets a couple of magazines a week also, but my G34 is not used much and most likely gets an Advantage Arms .22lr conversion unit, and my back up AR is switched to a dedicated .22lr upper with CMMG barrel and adapter... if you have an Atchison style AR conversion and not familiar with the Boonie Packer better mag adapter to use SW 15-22 magazines, give it a try...
I'm a member at two ranges... outdoor (they allow me to draw from a holster) $250/yr , and indoor (no draw from holster) $100 year( represents a half price loyalty re up and $50 off as a vet)... the indoor range has an interactive simulation 5 screen rear projection unit that uses CO2 operated actions and laser shots... well worth the cost of a year's membership alone....
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Believe it or not, MA state law requires that a few private ranges must allow the general public some range time. The one I use is free on Sundays from 9-1 and has 50 and a covered 100 yard range. They only ask that you clean up when your done and police your brass.
Also, all state land is available for target shooting unless otherwise posted and you may hunt on private land unless posted by the landowner in a very specific manner and spacing.
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Believe it or not, MA state law requires that a few private ranges must allow the general public some range time. The one I use is free on Sundays from 9-1 and has 50 and a covered 100 yard range. They only ask that you clean up when your done and police your brass.
Also, all state land is available for target shooting unless otherwise posted and you may hunt on private land unless posted by the landowner in a very specific manner and spacing.
I read that awhile ago and had to come back to make sure it said what I thought it did.
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Our range is open to the public on weekends. It's not for free, but it's reasonable, ($10 or so). Some people go on to become members, so it's not a bad idea. I don't shoot on weekends. I'm retired so I prefer to go early during the week.
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I read that awhile ago and had to come back to make sure it said what I thought it did.
It's like that in, as far as I know, all southern states. Wildlife is a public resource and if you want to keep people off your land there are legal posting requirements. If not legally posted there is no illegal trespass for hunting.
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It's like that in, as far as I know, all southern states. Wildlife is a public resource and if you want to keep people off your land there are legal posting requirements. If not legally posted there is no illegal trespass for hunting.
Growing up hunting in west MI, even if it was posted, a polite request of the landowner (if available) and a few critters as thanks, generally opened up vast tracts of land!
Same with fishing...
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Since we're on the subject of land and hunting. Who here feels that these Game Wardens have way too much power? I sure as hell do. I can understand a simple fine if someone deliberately goes over limit on fish. Or takes one a few inches undersize. Or is caught fishing without a license. But these people have the power to seize and confiscate your vehicle, guns, boat, and fishing equipment. Tens of thousands of dollars they can just "take". That's insane!
I'm sorry, but I don't agree with that at all. Perhaps in the most blatant of poaching cases of endangered species. Or else some other operation where someone is deliberately violating the game laws. And making a huge financial gain in the process. But that is rarely, if ever the case. And even then, it should be decided by a jury. Not some Game Warden riding around in the woods on the public's dime. I think the power these people have, has gotten completely out of control.
I put most of them into the same class as these idiots in control of these homeowner associations. People have been so wronged by these suburban power crazed morons, they have showed up at meetings and shot people to death. You don't screw with a mans home, or his personal property, and then expect them to just roll over and take it. If I was ever voted into high public office, those are the first 2 assholes I would go after.
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I don't like the practically unrestricted seizure either.
Don't get me started about HOA's.
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In Minnesota there was a big battle a few years ago over ice fishing houses. DNR had the power to enter without knocking or without a warrant. They fought to keep that, and their reason was that if they had to knock people would hide the evidence. DNR also has the idea that they can rewrite law. They claim that hunting regulations override laws concerning legal carry - Specifically uncased firearms and handguns carried.
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Since we're on the subject of land and hunting. Who here feels that these Game Wardens have way too much power? I sure as hell do. I can understand a simple fine if someone deliberately goes over limit on fish. Or takes one a few inches undersize. Or is caught fishing without a license. But these people have the power to seize and confiscate your vehicle, guns, boat, and fishing equipment. Tens of thousands of dollars they can just "take". That's insane!
I'm sorry, but I don't agree with that at all. Perhaps in the most blatant of poaching cases of endangered species. Or else some other operation where someone is deliberately violating the game laws. And making a huge financial gain in the process. But that is rarely, if ever the case. And even then, it should be decided by a jury. Not some Game Warden riding around in the woods on the public's dime. I think the power these people have, has gotten completely out of control.
I put most of them into the same class as these idiots in control of these homeowner associations. People have been so wronged by these suburban power crazed morons, they have showed up at meetings and shot people to death. You don't screw with a mans home, or his personal property, and then expect them to just roll over and take it. If I was ever voted into high public office, those are the first 2 assholes I would go after.
Being a game warden is too much like being judge, jury, and executioner. They do whatever they want to, including poaching while on the job.
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Being a game warden is too much like being judge, jury, and executioner. They do whatever they want to, including poaching while on the job.
Here we couldn't agree more.
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Back on topic. This isn't a bad deal at all. .05 cents a round. Not sure about shipping. You would have to run it through their system to get an exact number delivered.
https://www.outdoorlimited.com/Federal-22LR-Ammunition-Range-Pack-F729-40-Grain-C-p/f729case.htm
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Shifting over to drift #2:. Bill, what is membership at Superstition Mountain?
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Shifting over to drift #2:. Bill, what is membership at Superstition Mountain?
Are you talking about the Rio Salado Sportsman's Club? That's the only one I know of on the East Side.
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No, to the South. Small bore range.
I've shot at Rio Salado several times and had a great time. I shot at Superstition once as well.
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Does anyone use ammoseek.com? They have .22 LR starting at 4.1 cents per round listed.
https://ammoseek.com/ammo/22lr
wikiarms.com lists the same price. https://www.wikiarms.com/group/22LR?sort=1&order=asc
gun.deals too. https://gun.deals/category/ammo?caliber=3
ammospy.net has 4 cents per round listed. http://www.ammospy.net/ammo/22lr
There are other ammo search engines too. Every place I looked the lowest price was 4 or 4.1 cents per round.
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For what it's worth starting today, Cabela's has Aguila 40 grain copper plated high velocity on sale for $25.49 a brick of 500 with no limit. Not too bad. I'll probably pick up a couple of bricks. Advertised velocity is 1,255 FPS.
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I saw an ad yesterday for 5,000 round cases but don't remember what brand it was. I think it was $309, or about 6 cents per round, and knew there were better deals out there.
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I just picked up a couple of bricks at Cabela's. They also had Standard Velocity for the same price, so that's what I bought.
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That's a good price Bill.
I'm thinking we are see brick prices below $25 and even $20 barring unforeseen and unfortunate circumstances.
For plinking the lead head is OK. I bought a lot of Federal Automatch because it was available at a mor e nearly reasonable price recently. It's pretty good ammo.
I really like the CCI Segmented subsonic (not the 710 FPS, the 1050) for running in a can to clean up varmints in the yeard at night. They also have the 32 grain segmented that runs at Stinger velocities....devastatingly effective on small game.
Overall though, my preference is the copper swashed ammo to minimize supressor lead buildup but also to lower my exposure to lead. Now that I've found out I have a problem with heavy metals and chemical exposure. The CCI is hard to beat all around.
I would like to try the Winchester M-22 ammo. Anyone here have any experience with the M-22?
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Brownells is having a warehouse sale next weekend and advertising 500 round of Remington .22 or for $25.99
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Just purchased 1,500 rounds of Aguila .22lr HVSP 40gr for $25.99 per brick with free shipping from Sportsman Guide. A friend gave (loaned) me a brick to try first. Not for my bullseye or smallbore, but fun plinking, and good enough for squirrel and rabbit ... moose may take bigger.
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I read something within the last 2 days about Aguila .22 ammo. One guy said he had a failure to fire in each of 2 50 round boxes he tried. Mostly I've heard good things about it and thought free shipping would make it worth it if you don't have to pay sales tax.
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Just purchased 1,500 rounds of Aguila .22lr HVSP 40gr for $25.99 per brick <snip?
That equivalent to $8.67 for a brick. That's unbelievable.....I like it.
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That equivalent to $8.67 for a brick. That's unbelievable.....I like it.
You go and get your MBA old man? $25.99 per brick (500 rounds). Don't feel bad, because I made a typo: I purchased five bricks! 2,500 rounds!
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There you go pickin' on the old guys. I misread you had bought 1500 rounds for $25.99.....
Don't lump me in there with those accounting types now....c'mon. :o
That wasn't a super price then....oh well....but it ain't a bad price either.
What's confusing me is that the centerfire ammo is cheaper now than 6-7 years ago with the rebates. I suspect all the personal stocking up caught up with the sellers and they need to drop the price to move. I guess we haven't seen that in 22LR yet. But it'll be coming soon I think.
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It isn't great, but it is moving in the right direction. This is close to 20% less than last spring.
I'm looking back a decade now to when gas in our area had dropped to a buck a gallon. Then, it shot up to $2.75 in a matter of a few weeks. Sitting with an old friend at the local C store drinking coffee, eating donuts, and telling lies, he looked at us all and said the best thing about this increase was that when it dropped to $1.85 we would jump for joy ... He was right!
I still have some Federal "milk carton" 525 packs that I bought for $8.99, but I'm jumping for joy over my current purchase. Maybe it is because my beloved CCI standard velocity is still over $45.00 a brick on the local shelves :'(
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I saw 500 round bricks of .22 lr at WallyWorld yesterday for $22.50. So, yes, absolutely moving in the right direction.
Of course, that was plus tax, so around here that's a bit over $24 for the brick.
Crusader Rabbit
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In the poll I voted that the price would settle to $20-$25 for a 500 round brick by January 2018 (or later), but it could easily drop to under $20 sometime next year. I still don't need any but would like to see sub-$20 prices anyway.