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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: TAB on April 20, 2020, 01:17:16 PM
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If this guy was in control of the nra, i would actually think hard about signing back up.
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I'm already a Life Member from 20 years ago, but lost 'faith' in the NRA's defense of my 2A rights based on some decisions over the last ten years. I quit sending any funds to purchase items or support them. If they start making better decisions, my position might change....but right now they ain't getting any money from me.
They refuse to take stands on issues and instead string things along in order to game the system to line their own pockets. There is more money to be gained by playing out the string than to defeat the anti-gun folks..... that way BOTH sides get richer if there is always a fight to be fought.
They have too many corporate officers entrenched in the inner works and are getting more like politicians they claim to be fighting against. The NRA needs term limits just like the swamp creatures in DC do (but that's for another thread).
As to Colion Noir, the man just makes good sense. I know he is/was a spokesman for the NRA, but he definitely would get my support if he were in line for a top spot in the organization.
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The nice thing about Life Membership is that we are still counted, there is no annual obligation, we have access to all NRA, clubs we belong to have the benefit of our membership, and we are still "involved" on the inside.
I can choose to give or not, I can purchase, but what would be membership dollars can go to other effective groups.
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The nice thing about Life Membership is that we are still counted, there is no annual obligation, we have access to all NRA, clubs we belong to have the benefit of our membership, and we are still "involved" on the inside.
I can choose to give or not, I can purchase, but what would be membership dollars can go to other effective groups.
Agree.
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I'm already a Life Member from 20 years ago, but lost 'faith' in the NRA's defense of my 2A rights based on some decisions over the last ten years. I quit sending any funds to purchase items or support them. If they start making better decisions, my position might change....but right now they ain't getting any money from me.
They refuse to take stands on issues and instead string things along in order to game the system to line their own pockets. There is more money to be gained by playing out the string than to defeat the anti-gun folks..... that way BOTH sides get richer if there is always a fight to be fought.
They have too many corporate officers entrenched in the inner works and are getting more like politicians they claim to be fighting against. The NRA needs term limits just like the swamp creatures in DC do (but that's for another thread).
As to Colion Noir, the man just makes good sense. I know he is/was a spokesman for the NRA, but he definitely would get my support if he were in line for a top spot in the organization.
Yep. It seems like the higher up people get in nearly any organization, the less they care about what the rank and file want. Once they get a little taste of power they want more and will do anything they can to hold onto it, and amass even more power. Everyone else be damned, as long as they get what they want. I don't listen to Colion Noir very often but whenever I do he makes a lot sense. He should have been America's first black president, not that Halfrican, Barack Osama.
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Count me with Peg, and Mike
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What would you guys think if I made a run for the NRA?
mb
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HELL YEAH ! ;D
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Go for it!
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What would you guys think if I made a run for the NRA?
mb
Effing A
Just to put it politely.
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I think that's a stellar idea, MB!!
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The old farts have a vested interest in FIGHTING, not WINNING.
Time to replace them with OUR vested interest.
Michael Bane, What kind of shows and competitions could you dream up if NFA were gone ?
How many people could get into full auto if prices dropped because the registry was reopened ?
What kind of cool collector stuff could we get our hands on if import restrictions were loosened or removed ?
Go for it MB .
Represent OUR interests.
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You have my vote, Mister President.
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What Tom and Frank just said!!!!
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What Tom and Frank and Mike just said...
Crusader Rabbit
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What would you guys think if I made a run for the NRA?
mb
You have my vote.
Feels good to start being excited about the NRA again.
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What Solus said ! ;D
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MB for (NRA) President!
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What would you guys think if I made a run for the NRA?
mb
Would be a gdoos thing. You would make the nra pro gun, not pro line our pockets
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That's been my gripe.
Need fewer lawyers and PR cronies and more activists .
Why are leftists always attacking the NRA ?
Because NRA are a bunch of sissies who won't fight back.
How hard would it be to read a list of people killed in gun free zones ?
And WE wouldn't have to pad it with crooks and terrorists.
The leftists haven't done 1 damned thing the NRA couldn't do if they actually wanted to win instead of cashing in on the fight.
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What would you guys think if I made a run for the NRA?
mb
I would have a reason to vote!
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He would have to run for Executive VP, the President of the NRA is just a figurehead, the Executive VP has all the power.
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Michael Bane and Colion Noir for NRA!!!!!!!!!!! What a team!!!!
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He would have to run for Executive VP, the President of the NRA is just a figurehead, the Executive VP has all the power.
True, but with enough like minded members the Board could flex its influence.
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Excellent idea, Michael!
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You sure couldn't hurt it! DO IT! 8)
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What would you guys think if I made a run for the NRA?
mb
I would say you would be wasting your time. Your time and talents can used effectively in other ways.
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Do it.
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What would you guys think if I made a run for the NRA?
mb
You would get the vote from me and anyone I know! (I wouldn't even have to twist their arms!)
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What would you guys think if I made a run for the NRA?
mb
You’d have my vote!
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Michael Bane and Colion Noir for NRA!!!!!!!!!!! What a team!!!!
Yeah! 👍
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What would you guys think if I made a run for the NRA?
mb
FANTASTIC idea!!
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What would you guys think if I made a run for the NRA?
mb
Personally. I would love the idea. It's why I have voted contrarian for the past few years.
Sadly, though, I think the effort would be futile. The NRA is comprised of the Inner Party members (a select few listened to by LaPierre - who also get rich because of their support of him) , the Outer Party (the rest of the Board who are largely powerless) and us proles, the members. It's why LaPierre has to go, immediately, and the Board completely and totally reconstituted.
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I'm sick of fighting to hold. I want to win.
But Lapierre and those other shitheads don't make any more money if we actually do save our rights.
At least Sarah Brady is honest enough to say she doesn't give a shit about your rights.
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Personally. I would love the idea. It's why I have voted contrarian for the past few years.
Sadly, though, I think the effort would be futile. The NRA is comprised of the Inner Party members (a select few listened to by LaPierre - who also get rich because of their support of him) , the Outer Party (the rest of the Board who are largely powerless) and us proles, the members. It's why LaPierre has to go, immediately, and the Board completely and totally reconstituted.
The trick is to get the Outer Party strong enough to over rule the Inner Party. Wayne did some good things for us, and some bad, but I believe that in his prime he did more good than harm. However, he has hung around a decade too long.
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The trick is to get the Outer Party strong enough to over rule the Inner Party. Wayne did some good things for us, and some bad, but I believe that in his prime he did more good than harm. However, he has hung around a decade too long.
Yep. And his continued "stay" is now causing a LOT of discontent. If he really wanted to help our cause he should leave. I don't think he will and I don't know if it is greed, not wanting to lose power or just stubbornness.
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Wayne is 70 years old, and he has been with the NRA for 43 years. - Not sure when he entered this position, but it is over 25 years ago.
I think he is just like Bernie Sanders (apologies to Wayne, but the picture works), in that he has been there so long he doesn't recognize what he is causing or that it is time to step aside. Actually, getting across to Wayne is a lot like trying to convince Pres. DJT to quit tweeting at night.
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Sometimes I wish Trump wouldn't post some of the things he does.
But I understand perfectly and don't blame him a bit. ;D
Wayne Lapierre is proof Congress isn't the only place we need term limits.
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Personally. I would love the idea. It's why I have voted contrarian for the past few years.
Sadly, though, I think the effort would be futile. The NRA is comprised of the Inner Party members (a select few listened to by LaPierre - who also get rich because of their support of him) , the Outer Party (the rest of the Board who are largely powerless) and us proles, the members. It's why LaPierre has to go, immediately, and the Board completely and totally reconstituted.
Funny that you used those terms (accurately I might add)..... "1984" is on now while I'm checking forum posts.
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Compare Lapierre to Schumer, Pelosi, Biden. They have all been in the same place for roughly the same time.
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Compare Lapierre to Schumer, Pelosi, Biden. They have all been in the same place for roughly the same time.
And for roughly the same reasons... $$$$$$
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Interesting Tom. I went for a quick look:
Wayne and Schumer are the same age (about a year difference) and both entered politics at the same time.
Pelosi is ten years his senior, but entered politics in the same mid 70's era.
Biden has him by only eight years, but entered politics earliest of anyone in the group.
Oh yeah, and all four began in the Democratic Party!
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Michael... it would be nice to have people in the NRA that have roots in the practical shooting games...and if you run, I promise to destroy the pic with the coonskin cap
Les
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I think it is far more important to have some one there who understands that Sports, and Games are NOT what the 2A is about.
We've had more than enough of narrowly focused Fudds.
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I agree Tom, but we also need someone that understands the role that sports, games, and hunting play in preparedness, and the role that hunting plays in health and conservation of our natural resources. In this understanding they need to have a deep understanding that many of the restrictions in the above areas serve different purposes than safety what should be protected. One of the best reason for limitations in games is to teach skills needed for preparedness - Impose situations that create learning experiences for real world struggles.
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They have been focusing on those irrelevancies for 50 years. The point of 2A is shooting politicians not ducks or steel.
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You are correct Tom. However, we need to make sure that we don't give those away. Remember that the reason short barreled shotguns were lost in 34, was because "They did not have a useful military purpose." If we don't maintain, and restore, the full scope of the BIG PICTURE, they will just change which corner of the rock they are chipping at.
This is an all or nothing situation. You either support the Right To Bear Arms, or you don't. You either support their availability and regular use by citizens for the purpose of defending the nation, and/or use of them to be prepared to use them in defense, or you do not.
I know I am preaching to the choir, but what was it that made Sgt. Alvin York the asset he was in WWI, what made farm boys such proficient turret and waste gunners in WWII, what background did the best door gunners in Vietnam have in common? How did they, and in some cases still do, train them as door gunners?
Hunting and Target Shooting!
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Mike, you and I agree except on details, so I'm just going to ask this to be an A Hole ;D Why did Gen. Burnside help start the NRA and CMP ?
Because so many of the Civil war troops could shoot for crap. ;D
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Mike, you and I agree except on details, so I'm just going to ask this to be an A Hole ;D Why did Gen. Burnside help start the NRA and CMP ?
Because so many of the Civil war troops could shoot for crap. ;D
My guess is because the Northern born soldiers did not extensively hunt like the Southern born troops so were unfamiliar with even basic firearms accuracy and operation?
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Tom, not to be an A hole, but that is kinda what I said ;)
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Mike, They sucked because they WEREN'T hunters.
To be fair, and answer Solus, a huge percentage on both sides were fresh off the boat Irish, who might have fired a gun during some civil strife, but by no means were they hunters or shooters.
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Mike, They sucked because they WEREN'T hunters.
To be fair, and answer Solus, a huge percentage on both sides were fresh off the boat Irish, who might have fired a gun during some civil strife, but by no means were they hunters or shooters.
If we'd have had a few more like 'Old Jack Hinson' .......... ;D ;D ;D
** Or the unknown shooter in this link.....
https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/sniper-shot-record
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Whitworth rifles were used on both sides.
An English rifle designed for British "Rifle Regiments" (Light infantry skirmishers and Sharpshooters)
It wasn't adopted because of the high cost but it was widely snapped up by target shooters, price be damned.
Berdan's Sharpshooters had been told they were getting Whitworth's, when they were issued Colt revolving rifles they mutinied. ;D