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Title: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: billt on June 05, 2020, 02:21:24 AM
For me, I'm sleeping a lot less since I retired almost 5-1/2 years ago, (December 2014). I was never a heavy, long term sleeper. But since I retired, I find myself both going to bed, and getting up much earlier. Usually 4 to 5 hours of sleep does it for me. I have no set time for either going to bed, or getting up. I do it when I feel the need. If I get tired in the afternoon, I'll take a short nap.

I won't lay in bed awake. Instead I'll get up and start my day. I even put a TV out in my garage, so I can go out there and watch it if I get up in the middle of the night. (I'm hard of hearing, and that way I don't bother the dog or the old lady by playing it too loud). I actually like getting up very early, (12:00 AM to 2:00 AM). Especially in the Summer. It's the coolest, and the quietest time of the day.

My frame of mind is much better as well. I no longer have any of the bull$h!t at work to deal with. I never minded doing my job. In fact, I rather enjoyed it. But I hated all the politics and drama a lot of people always seem to make, that always manage to surround it. I think a lot of that is getting worse in many places today. Especially with women in the workplace. Anyway, I'm very glad I don't have to concern myself with it any longer.

Work on the "Man Cave" is an ongoing process.

(https://i.imgur.com/rmTxQLP.jpg)
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on June 05, 2020, 07:46:54 AM
It was the virus shut down that changed my sleeping. I can't get my coffee as early as I used too so I'm sleeping later.
Yes, I walk 1/4  mile and buy a coffee to avoid walking 10 feet and making it  :)
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: J. Kennedy-ar154me on June 05, 2020, 07:53:26 AM
Yes, I walk 1/4  mile and buy a coffee to avoid walking 10 feet and making it  :)

Please tell me it is NOT Starbucks?   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Pathfinder on June 05, 2020, 09:08:30 AM
Sleeping maybe a tad more, but still rise early - between 4-5AM, usually watch something on YouTube. Saw a short program today about some car guy who discovered an F-250 with a big block engine sitting in the woods in MN, and he tried to get it running. Failed, but it was fun to watch since I don't do such things anymore. That was followed by a live-stream "men's group" that had to shut down the in-person gathering due to the Chinese virus.

My wife and I have adopted the whole "9PM is the new midnight" thing, so we're in bed usually about 9:30-10PM. She sleeps until her alarm goes off at 7AM, so I have a couple of hours watching shows I like. I don't get much of a chance to watch during the day since even during the Days of Covid we have been busy.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: alfsauve on June 05, 2020, 09:47:14 AM
I'm getting a little more sleep.  I had, we had, been burning the candle at both ends, before retirement.  Staying up until after 11pm and getting up at 5:30.  Now I get up,with the sun and the wife sleeps in.  Plus most days a pm nap.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on June 05, 2020, 09:50:39 AM
No. I've been going to a local  "not Starbucks" since my usual place closed.
I haven't had regular coffee since and I will not until I can get it placed in front of me as it should be.   ;D
I used to tell the waitresses, "If you're here to make it, I'll be here to drink it".
Flip side is if they ain't making, I ain't drinking.     ;D
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on June 05, 2020, 10:04:07 AM
I find myself working just as hard.  Working today
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on June 05, 2020, 11:07:21 AM
They are organizing 2 rallies here for the week end. I've been looking over the playing field and pacing off some distances.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Majer on June 05, 2020, 11:39:38 AM
Lately I don't go to bed until after 1:00a.m., I used to sleep until 9 or 10, but since the shutdown with my wife staying home, I'm lucky to get 5 to 6 hours. I sometimes get to take a nap in the afternoon, but that is rare. I've been disability retired since 2011.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on June 05, 2020, 12:02:48 PM
Did you ever think you would see the day a fixed income would be a safe income ?
When this started I was encouraging others to patronize the local business's as much as possible because we were the only ones safe from lay offs.

Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: alfsauve on June 05, 2020, 02:30:12 PM
Except for SS, my investments are market based, so the fall of the stock market hurt.  Fortunately, it's mostly bounced back.   But then my portfolio is an eclectic mixture of industries.   Fortuitiously, my wife had to roll over one of her 403(b)'s to an IRA last month.  Great time to be buying stock.

Because of family ties to GA we invested in Home Depot early on, and specifically because of ties to Columbus, GA, my family, going back 2 generations, invested in Coco-Cola, Aflac, & Columbus Bank and Trust.     Ever hear of Columbus Bank and Trust?   Ah.  they grew up and became Synovus.  They also were pioneers in credit card processing.  The processing company was called Total Systems (TSYS) and when they were bought by Global Payments last year they were they 2nd largest processor in the world.  And the stock has reflected this good business.  Look at a 5 year chart and you'll be kicking yourself for not having known about them sooner.

If you're looking for income, verses growth, then Google highest paying dividends and you'll be surprised at whose on that list.

Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: PegLeg45 on June 05, 2020, 09:00:18 PM
Yeah, I guess you could say I do something that resembles sleep....more or less.  8)
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on June 27, 2020, 03:57:04 PM
I need a day off!  Up at 4:30 this morning, was up til 2 drafting a report.  Still not had time to even think about the house let alone put pen to paper.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Rastus on June 29, 2020, 07:47:06 AM
Less sleep.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on June 29, 2020, 10:15:25 AM
Haven't done the math.   ;D
I don't always take a noontime nap any more, but I'm not working nights either.
I think it works out to about the same. ;D
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TillWill on September 09, 2020, 12:51:10 AM
I can't say for myself, cause I'm still ages away from retirement. But as for my parents, they do sleep less now, as if they need less sleep. My mom wakes up around 6 a.m. and cooks, then does some gardening and the rest of her hobbies. The same for dad, just change cooking and gardening for spending time in his garage and watching TV ;D
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on September 09, 2020, 08:09:50 AM
TillWill,
 Makes you wonder how they had time for work before doesn't it ?    ;D
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TillWill on September 09, 2020, 10:46:15 PM
TillWill,
 Makes you wonder how they had time for work before doesn't it ?    ;D
yep  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: J. Kennedy-ar154me on September 11, 2020, 11:21:29 AM
Sleep??? Sleep? What is the thing "Sleep" you speak of?

Just kidding. I am one of those that HAS to get 8+ hours every night or I can't function. ;^)

I am still working (for 2 more years) then maybe I can find out if I can sleep less or more.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Big Frank on December 14, 2020, 10:05:01 PM
The last couple of months, instead of staying awake 2/3 of the day and sleeping 1/3 of the day, I've staying awake for 2 days, then sleeping for 1 day. Give or take several hours. I may be up for 2 days, sleep 12 hours, be up another day or 2, sleep however long, be up 1-2 1/2 days, sleep more or less day and night, and it varies after that. Half the time I don't know what day it is when I get up. And sometimes I go to bed for a couple of hours then I'm up for several more hours.

All in all I've been sleeping more since retirement because I don't have to get up at 5 am if I don't get to sleep until after midnight, and so on. When I was working, if my insomnia wasn't acting up, I would get about 5 hours of sleep per night, but I needed 9 hours of sleep. I dragged @$$ all week at work, came home exhausted and got nothing done around the house. Then if I didn't have to work the weekend I tried to make up for the lost sleep which was impossible. So I didn't have time to do any work around the house or yard, or to play at any hobbies. I absolutely hated my job so that didn't make things any easier on me. There were a lot of times I couldn't get to sleep until 3 am or later and had to get up at 5 or 5:30. There's no reason to do that anymore so I get more sleep.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Rastus on December 15, 2020, 07:02:12 AM
So Frank, do you have sleep apnea?
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Big Frank on December 20, 2020, 09:46:28 PM
So Frank, do you have sleep apnea?

Yep, everyone in my family does, and I can't sleep with my CPAP mask on. I'll probably have a heart attack in my sleep and die several years earlier than I would otherwise. A few uncles and a cousin on my dad's side of the family all died of heart attacks. It was the first heart attack that killed every one of them too. The only way my dad lived as long as he did was by having a 7-way heart bypass. I looked at an illustration of a heart in my doctor's office and it looked like there were only 7 blood vessels on it, 8 if you count one that forked off right before the end. Oh well, life's a b* tch, then you marry one, then you die. 
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: MikeBjerum on December 21, 2020, 04:54:45 AM
Frank,  Have you looked into some of the options beyond CPAP?  They have some actual medical alternatives that are becoming more popular, and they don't involve a CPAP.  One of our drivers recently switched, and after a couple months he is very pleased.  For him it saves taking the CPAP in the truck, since between his two routes he is on the road four nights a week.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: les snyder on December 21, 2020, 09:44:57 AM
I've modified my eating schedule more than sleep schedule since the Chicom flu... trying to use the 18hour fasting idea as I used to eat breakfast with friends ... limit food from between noon and 6PM... I get up around 8 and go to bed around midnight... I'm back to shooting 3 matches and weekly Steel Challenge practice events a month, so up at around 6AM to make the trip to the ranges on those days... regards
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Rastus on December 21, 2020, 10:24:21 AM
I can't stand the sleep apnea mask....so it's a nogo for me.  I started bunching up 3-4 pillows and the apnea improved greatly. 

Les that's interesting.  I'm drifting towards staying up later and sleeping later.  I don't exactly get the 18 hour fast period from what you wrote.  Are you saying you only eat food from noon to 6PM or that you limit the amount during that time?
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: les snyder on December 21, 2020, 07:18:22 PM
Rastus... I'm trying to do both... limit all food to between noon and 6pm, and limit the amount, especially processed carbs...and what is hard... NO SALT
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Rastus on December 22, 2020, 11:47:55 AM
Got it.  What's the avoidance of salt about?
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on December 22, 2020, 01:34:07 PM
Got it.  What's the avoidance of salt about?
  most likely  heart and or kidneys.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: les snyder on December 22, 2020, 03:45:27 PM
Rastus... as TAB commented...  blood pressure... I got lax with my eating and salt intake since my last check-up...with the Flu around, I have been sitting in the yard and reading, sucking up the UV and not getting the exercise I previously got from riding the bicycle... both weight and BP inched up a little, so need to get back to the program...

I'm trying the ELF diet.... eat less food... I'm single and eat out for all my meals... when your social life is tied to food, it is easy for me to get distracted... regards
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Rastus on December 22, 2020, 09:31:31 PM
Sorry to hear that.  Elf program...hmmm...naw, that would never work for me. 
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on December 22, 2020, 09:43:59 PM
Sorry to hear that.  Elf program...hmmm...naw, that would never work for me.
try taking a drink of water between bites.   It is a very simple thing, that does work. 
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Rastus on December 23, 2020, 07:28:32 AM
I really need to do something....I'll try to remember.

Old age is no fun....you keep thinking you'll get better but you know that ain't happenin'...
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on December 23, 2020, 08:19:33 AM
I really need to do something....I'll try to remember.

Old age is no fun....you keep thinking you'll get better but you know that ain't happenin'...

F#ck it.
It's all fatal.
Eat, drink, and be merry.  (and a little chubby   ;D  )
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: les snyder on December 23, 2020, 08:22:40 AM
Rastus... I've got a good, young MD... I do 6month check ups, have good blood work results, and he receives and evaluates all my other medical reports from my dermatologist, dentist, and optometrist... he is very pro-active
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Big Frank on December 24, 2020, 02:51:35 PM
Frank,  Have you looked into some of the options beyond CPAP?  They have some actual medical alternatives that are becoming more popular, and they don't involve a CPAP.  One of our drivers recently switched, and after a couple months he is very pleased.  For him it saves taking the CPAP in the truck, since between his two routes he is on the road four nights a week.

I was supposed to have another sleep study done so they can figure out what to do with me, but the whole world changed and that's on hold for now. I heard of a procedure where they fry your soft palate with a laser or something so it shrinks up if that's what's causing the problem. It works for some people. But I feel like there's something farther back in my throat causing it. All I know is they said I quit breathing or had trouble breathing 30 times an hour.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Big Frank on December 24, 2020, 03:06:46 PM
F#ck it.
It's all fatal.
Eat, drink, and be merry.  (and a little chubby   ;D  )

To quote the late, great Jim Morrison, "No one here gets out alive."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpDFll30XZU

 

Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Timothy on December 24, 2020, 08:07:11 PM
To quote the late, great Jim Morrison, "No one here gets out alive."

As much as I like the Doors, Morrison was not so great as to get his head out of his ass and sober up...he did however prove his point at 28! 
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Big Frank on December 24, 2020, 08:44:19 PM
As much as I like the Doors, Morrison was not so great as to get his head out of his ass and sober up...he did however prove his point at 28!

I think he was only 27, but you're right about him proving his point. He was severely alcoholic and his behavior was completely unpredictable. He was worse than me by some accounts. My old roommate was just recently talking about "the RECONDO incident" in an email , most of which I remember, and some I don't. The guys were all wondering WTF is wrong with Frank? The way I acted when I drank I easily could have died a lot younger than Jim Morrison.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Timothy on December 24, 2020, 09:19:41 PM
Morrison was also a drug addict as I recall!  I was 14 in ‘71!  Didn’t start listening to the Doors til 75-76!  He was already in the grave in Paris.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Big Frank on December 25, 2020, 04:13:13 AM
It seems like all the big rock stars were on drugs back then and well into the '80s, except Ted Nugent and he's probably lying. There are 3 Alice Cooper albums he doesn't even remember recording, he was so out of it. I think he referred to that time as the lost years. Morrison died young but Ray Manzarek made it to 74 before he took a dirt nap. He played keyboards on the "Weird Al" song Craigslist in 2009.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4sALru9IJk
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: billt on December 25, 2020, 06:44:12 AM
Look at Keith Richards. I don't think anyone, including him, can understand why he's still walking around. That guy consumed enough drugs in his lifetime to sink a container vessel. I saw an interview with him, and he contributes it to having his blood changed out several times, over a period of years at a clinic in Switzerland.

It is a very expensive process that is not covered by any insurance, because it is, "experimental". It takes weeks to do because they can't just drain your blood, and refill it, like doing an oil change on your car. It is a gradual process that takes several days, and a LOT of blood. But he feels it saved his liver and kidneys from failure, over so many years of heavy drug use. He said he knew many people he hung around with at that time, who used drugs as much as he did. And they're all gone. Mostly from liver or renal failure.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Big Frank on December 25, 2020, 06:51:13 AM
I can barely afford to get topped off let alone have my blood changed, but I think a refill of new blood would do me wonders.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: billt on December 25, 2020, 07:41:17 AM
I can barely afford to get topped off let alone have my blood changed, but I think a refill of new blood would do me wonders.

I had an older friend who's wife had a rare blood condition, where her body made too much blood. And she got very sick from it before she was correctly diagnosed. After it was diagnosed, she had to go in every couple of months, and they would drain a pint, or sometimes more. They both have since passed on. But that was the first time I had heard of that type of condition. I believe the condition was called Polycythemia.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on December 25, 2020, 07:43:19 AM
Look at Keith Richards. I don't think anyone, including him, can understand why he's still walking around. That guy consumed enough drugs in his lifetime to sink a container vessel. I saw an interview with him, and he contributes it to having his blood changed out several times, over a period of years at a clinic in Switzerland.

It is a very expensive process that is not covered by any insurance, because it is, "experimental". It takes weeks to do because they can't just drain your blood, and refill it, like doing an oil change on your car. It is a gradual process that takes several days, and a LOT of blood. But he feels it saved his liver and kidneys from failure, over so many years of heavy drug use. He said he knew many people he hung around with at that time, who used drugs as much as he did. And they're all gone. Mostly from liver or renal failure.


Pissing off Jagger too.
He's getting REALLY sick of getting phone call's "Oy Mick, Guess who else I out lived".    ;D
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: billt on December 25, 2020, 07:50:31 AM
Pissing off Jagger too.
He's getting REALLY sick of getting phone call's "Oy Mick, Guess who else I out lived".    ;D

All those drugs over all those years, and the idiot almost kills himself falling out of a coconut tree several years back.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/richards-concussed-after-fall-coconut-tree-6102254.html
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: les snyder on December 25, 2020, 09:33:44 AM
I don't remember if it was an authorized by Keith poster from the Heart Association or Cancer Society, or photo shopped, but I had a poster in my classroom of Keith, with a cigarette hanging from his lips... caption something like :" the number 1 reason to quit smoking"
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Big Frank on December 25, 2020, 03:14:35 PM


Pissing off Jagger too.
He's getting REALLY sick of getting phone call's "Oy Mick, Guess who else I out lived".    ;D

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Big Frank on December 25, 2020, 03:22:27 PM
I had an older friend who's wife had a rare blood condition, where her body made too much blood. And she got very sick from it before she was correctly diagnosed. After it was diagnosed, she had to go in every couple of months, and they would drain a pint, or sometimes more. They both have since passed on. But that was the first time I had heard of that type of condition. I believe the condition was called Polycythemia.

There's one where your body makes way too much hemoglobin too, not blood. That may be what it was. I'm going to look up Polycythemia and see if that's it. Some people with it have get some blood drained every month or every couple of weeks, I can't remember which, but I heard about it a long, long time ago. There's another weird one where your body retains every trace of copper in your diet and your blood needs to be drained occasionally with that one too.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on December 31, 2020, 05:24:54 PM
Had my last conference  call.  Thank God I am done. Last call was all about what is going to happen after I leave.   My guess is dump all of my responsibilities  on to others, have half of them quit.  Then hire twice the staff
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Rastus on December 31, 2020, 05:31:42 PM
<snip> Last call was all about what is going to happen after I leave.  <snip>

It's a little late for that!  I see them going belly up pretty quick.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Big Frank on December 31, 2020, 07:26:38 PM
It's a little late for that!  I see them going belly up pretty quick.

My gut instinct is there are no 10 of them together that can do half of what TAB did.

That reminds me of something I heard a long time ago - never make yourself irreplaceable. You'll be stuck there forever. For some people that means doing the same old crap job year after year while all of your peers get promoted to better jobs.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on December 31, 2020, 11:48:15 PM
My gut instinct is there are no 10 of them together that can do half of what TAB did.

That reminds me of something I heard a long time ago - never make yourself irreplaceable. You'll be stuck there forever. For some people that means doing the same old crap job year after year while all of your peers get promoted to better jobs.
they already hired several replacements.     
I have been the shit hits the fan guy all year.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on January 01, 2021, 11:02:04 AM
TAB and MLK.
Free at Last !    ;D
For how long ?
Some of us remember hearing this the last time (or was it 2 ) that  you "retired".    ;D
Any one want to bet how long it will take before TAB is in it again ?   ;D
I'll take 6 months.   ;D
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on January 01, 2021, 12:37:17 PM
TAB and MLK.
Free at Last !    ;D
For how long ?
Some of us remember hearing this the last time (or was it 2 ) that  you "retired".    ;D
Any one want to bet how long it will take before TAB is in it again ?   ;D
I'll take 6 months.   ;D
I bet it will be 2 days after I get the house built.   I am not one to sit idle.  I might do something like build a wood boat, or a kit plane. 

Today, I am trying to figure out a good way to destroy my work phone.   I don't miss that ringing thats for sure
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Timothy on January 01, 2021, 02:11:06 PM
Pistol range and cell phones!  Goes hand in hand...
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Majer on January 01, 2021, 02:40:33 PM
Shotgun, up close with birdshot.More satisfying.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Big Frank on January 02, 2021, 08:55:16 AM
I was thinking .50 BMG or whatever the highest power rifle TAB has would work on that phone. You want to guarantee a one-shot kill so it doesn't get away wounded and cause you worry. ;D

Free at last, Free at last, Thank God almighty TAB's free at last. Can I hear an Amen?
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on January 02, 2021, 11:46:39 AM
The biggest thing I have is 45 70.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Big Frank on January 02, 2021, 12:04:27 PM
The biggest thing I have is 45 70.

That should do it, but be ready for a quick follow up just in case. ;)
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on January 02, 2021, 12:16:23 PM
That should do it, but be ready for a quick follow up just in case. ;)
  I was thinking about a mag dump from the m16.  Then again, using my hilti ( powder actuated  nail gunl )and planting it to one of the I beams in the barn could also be fun.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Big Frank on January 02, 2021, 12:36:51 PM
I've seen a couple of Hiltis at work before, .27 caliber IIRC, not wimpy .22s for sure. They used them mainly on concrete I think. I would laugh my butt off if I saw a phone nailed to an I-beam. The gun would do it but you'd need a small plate or something in front of the phone to keep the nail from blowing clear through. I think you should do it TAB. Do it! Do it! Do it!
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on January 02, 2021, 04:16:52 PM
I've seen a couple of Hiltis at work before, .27 caliber IIRC, not wimpy .22s for sure. They used them mainly on concrete I think. I would laugh my butt off if I saw a phone nailed to an I-beam. The gun would do it but you'd need a small plate or something in front of the phone to keep the nail from blowing clear through. I think you should do it TAB. Do it! Do it! Do it!

I have 22( all 5 levels) 25, 38 and 45.   The 38 and 45 can drive 1/4" or 3/8" studs into ibeams  that are almost as strong as drilling and tapping.  Used all the time in common buildings.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on January 03, 2021, 08:46:39 AM
  I was thinking about a mag dump from the m16.  Then again, using my hilti ( powder actuated  nail gunl )and planting it to one of the I beams in the barn could also be fun.

MY #1 choice   ;D
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on January 03, 2021, 11:09:21 AM
I opened my laptop for the 1st time this  morning.  I still had my gmail business account signed in.   1400 emails since  the 31 st.   I spent a few mins reading some of the titles.   Most of them were " called  you, your phone number is disconnected, whats up?"   Others were congratulations.  The rest I looked at were boilerplate work stuff.  I copied the contacts to go thru later and save the useful ones.   Then swapped to my personal account.  My phone has rang 3x this year, 2 of them were the misses. About 2 dozen texts, mostly from friends wishing me a happy new year.   Its been awesome.

Got up at 7:30 today, had breakfast  with the misses. 

A man could get use to this.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on January 04, 2021, 08:30:34 AM
I figure that will last until about 1 week after you finish your house .    ;D
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on January 04, 2021, 10:58:43 AM
I figure that will last until about 1 week after you finish your house .    ;D
  I am not in any rush to finish the house.   Not even started work on the plans yet.  I have been doing things like cleaning and organizing  the house, and lots of cooking and baking.   The misses as been loving me cooking.  Tomorrow  the misses has the day off. I told her we are going to spend the entire day just relaxing together.

Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on January 05, 2021, 08:42:40 AM
    Tomorrow  the misses has the day off. I told her we are going to spend the entire day just relaxing together.

Enjoy.    ;D
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Big Frank on January 07, 2021, 02:26:11 AM
I opened my laptop for the 1st time this  morning.  I still had my gmail business account signed in.   1400 emails since  the 31 st.   I spent a few mins reading some of the titles.   Most of them were " called  you, your phone number is disconnected, whats up?"   Others were congratulations.  The rest I looked at were boilerplate work stuff.  I copied the contacts to go thru later and save the useful ones.   Then swapped to my personal account.  My phone has rang 3x this year, 2 of them were the misses. About 2 dozen texts, mostly from friends wishing me a happy new year.   Its been awesome.

Got up at 7:30 today, had breakfast  with the misses. 

A man could get use to this.

You owe me a new keyboard, TAB. I was taking a drink of water when I read that 1400 emails since the 31st and almost choked on it. Holy crap! That's a lot of email.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Big Frank on January 07, 2021, 02:28:33 AM
Enjoy.    ;D

Ditto what Tom said.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on January 07, 2021, 11:54:37 AM
You owe me a new keyboard, TAB. I was taking a drink of water when I read that 1400 emails since the 31st and almost choked on it. Holy crap! That's a lot of email.

100-300 day and 25-50 phone calls, every day last year.

When I say there is no amount of money  that will bring me back. I mean it.  I would have much preferred  swinging a hammer or digging a ditch
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on January 08, 2021, 12:55:46 PM
I think I need to get rid of my phone number.  I have had it 25 years. 9 calls this morning with job offers. 


Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Big Frank on January 09, 2021, 08:24:02 AM
It's easy enough to get a new number and only give it to people you want to have it.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on January 11, 2021, 12:50:31 PM
Its official, this is the most days since I was 14, I have not been at work.  At 11.    ;D

Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Big Frank on January 18, 2021, 07:28:25 AM
Did you set a new record today TAB, or have you slipped back into your old ways? :D

I've been thoroughly testing out my new mattress for the last week or so and I love it. I'll never buy a "two-sided" mattress again that you can flip over to "get more use from". This one has all the padding on one side plus there's room for better springs. It's my first pillow-top and I paid extra to get box-springs it doesn't need instead of just a foundation. It took a night or two to get used to getting in and out of a bed that's now up to my b***s with the thicker mattress and springs. Especially since I was sleeping on a little twin bed for a month that didn't even come up to my knees while I was waiting for the factory 60 miles away to build my mattress and box-springs. Some crazy woman burned down the Peerless mattress place downtown so they don't make them here anymore. I have a full size bed but they don't stock much of anything for them. Queen size is the new norm I guess, and they had stacks of queen size stuff in the back room and lots of different ones to lay on to try out. I don't know if I could get a queen size box-spring up my stupid stairway with one part that I have to duck under, but there's plenty of room for one in my bedroom. It would be really nice to have a queen size bed. With the extra 5" of length my feet wouldn't hang over the end.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on January 18, 2021, 09:18:09 PM
Just maintenance  on the truck today.  I was due for an oil change and to do the trany fluid.  So that was my day.  I have not even been into a home depot this year.   I am getting withdrawals.q
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on January 19, 2021, 01:43:03 PM
Did you set a new record today TAB, or have you slipped back into your old ways? :D


Hey Frank, You asked on SUNDAY, .
Today was the test, O dark thirty sitting in the driveway wondering "Where the heck am I headed ?"   ;D ;D ;D

Just maintenance  on the truck today.  I was due for an oil change and to do the trany fluid.  So that was my day.  I have not even been into a home depot this year.   I am getting withdrawals.q

Don't worry TAB, "Ignore it and it will go away".     ;D ;D
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on January 19, 2021, 02:14:25 PM
Hey Frank, You asked on SUNDAY, .
Today was the test, O dark thirty sitting in the driveway wondering "Where the heck am I headed ?"   ;D ;D ;D

Don't worry TAB, "Ignore it and it will go away".     ;D ;D
I am not a quieter  ;D

Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Big Frank on January 20, 2021, 06:02:08 PM
Just maintenance  on the truck today.  I was due for an oil change and to do the trany fluid.  So that was my day.  I have not even been into a home depot this year.   I am getting withdrawals.q

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on February 01, 2021, 05:59:02 PM
Ok, so I finally  broke down and went into home depot.  It had been since a few days before xmas.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on February 02, 2021, 08:32:57 AM
Had to cure the jitters with a new bag of nails or something ?      ;D
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on February 02, 2021, 12:16:40 PM
Had to cure the jitters with a new bag of nails or something ?      ;D
  needed a bunch of odds and ends.  Light bulbs air filter, flapper for the toilet... etc
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on March 08, 2021, 10:12:42 AM
New record at 67 days ;)

Feels so odd to be at home during the day light.

Got several job offers one actually sounded interesting, but not enough money to get me to come back
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on March 08, 2021, 07:44:09 PM
Hey TAB, Google "RETIRED".
It means you don't do that stuff any more.   ;D  ;D  ;D
 
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on March 21, 2021, 05:05:04 PM
Hey TAB, Google "RETIRED".
It means you don't do that stuff any more.   ;D  ;D  ;D
  haha I just got a job offer today to build 3800 homes.  Part of me wants to say yes.  Been so bored.  Ita great going skiing, hiking  and etc, but its not near as much fun  doing it alone as it is with somebody.   

It sucks when I am not working but the misses still is and will be for the next 29 years...  I need to feel productive, now I just feel lazy.  Finally found some one that will do the plans for my house in icf.  I refuse to pay $11 for a green 2x6
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on March 22, 2021, 09:39:15 PM
Lumber prices went nuts when every one was stuck home .   ;D
I think the relationship is hilarious but the prices suck nearly as much as ammo prices.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on March 22, 2021, 11:22:51 PM
Lumber prices went nuts when every one was stuck home .   ;D
I think the relationship is hilarious but the prices suck nearly as much as ammo prices.
  the prices have gone up 4-5x of what they were in January  last year its nuts.


You think thats nuts you should see the price of osb



Price of concrete has not really changed. About 190 for 5 sack 3/4  and 230 for 7 sack 3/4.  Which is why icf is looking so promising.
  $3/ sqft  if I do it. 5-6 if I hire it out.     Stick with 2x6 green is about 8 right now if I do it
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Rastus on March 29, 2021, 09:14:36 AM
Yeah this price increase cycle has hurt with the rebuild we started in September.  Fortunately I am only waiting on someone to install tile and a/c we purchased in November.

I am waiting for a collapse in this building cycle to start a house.  I like the ICF.  Tab and I talked about that (thanks for the help Tab)...also about using precast concrete for basement construction to save time.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: billt on March 29, 2021, 10:25:05 AM
I am waiting for a collapse in this building cycle to start a house.

I'm doing much the same thing for a storage shed. Lumber prices have doubled the cost of the damn things.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Rastus on March 29, 2021, 11:19:28 AM
A finished one to move in or to build on your place?
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on March 29, 2021, 03:19:36 PM
I'm doing much the same thing for a storage shed. Lumber prices have doubled the cost of the damn things.


You should price out 2x3s.   They are about $3/ each.   The loss in strength  is no big deal for a shed
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: billt on March 29, 2021, 06:04:06 PM
A finished one to move in or to build on your place?

I don't want to build it or paint it. So yes, fully finished, delivered and placed.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: PegLeg45 on March 29, 2021, 06:49:45 PM

You should price out 2x3s.   They are about $3/ each.   The loss in strength  is no big deal for a shed

Yep.

And if strength is a concern, they are cheap enough to go on 12" centers instead of 16 and that increases the load bearing a bit. Skin it with metal siding.... metal is up as well, but nothing like wood.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on March 30, 2021, 09:48:43 AM
Yep.

And if strength is a concern, they are cheap enough to go on 12" centers instead of 16 and that increases the load bearing a bit. Skin it with metal siding.... metal is up as well, but nothing like wood.
   most commercial  wood sheds use 2x3 on 24" centers

 They also use the osb t111, as it does not warp like traditional  t111 so you can get away with that.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: PegLeg45 on March 31, 2021, 02:19:26 PM
   most commercial  wood sheds use 2x3 on 24" centers

 They also use the osb t111, as it does not warp like traditional  t111 so you can get away with that.

I tend to "overbuild" stuff.  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on March 31, 2021, 03:26:45 PM
I tend to "overbuild" stuff.  ;D  ;D
it is very easy to over build, it is very hard to build something that will just barely hold the load.

If you have a spec for a bridge to hold 10k#  you build it too hold 20k.  To build it to only hold 10001# is hard
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on April 02, 2021, 10:07:23 AM
Bill your in LHC right?   I have a friend that is a retired contractor there.  He does a lot of handy work, he might be interested in helping you out.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: billt on April 05, 2021, 03:02:01 AM
Bill your in LHC right?   I have a friend that is a retired contractor there.  He does a lot of handy work, he might be interested in helping you out.

I've been talking this over with the wife, and I think what I'm going to do is hold off until the Fall. Maybe by then the lumber prices, along with demand will ease up a bit. This can't go on forever. Then, as much as it doesn't thrill me, I'm thinking of building it myself. I've got everything I need, including power right where I can tap into it.

If I sign on to a commercially built unit now, the earliest possible delivery they can give me is July.... Possibly even late August. So it's not like I'll get it quickly. Not to mention most of them want 100% up front. That just doesn't sit well with me.

I don't know if it's Covid or what, but it's much the same with stoves and ranges. It's like they're not being built. Who the hell ever thought there would be a "shortage" of kitchen stoves? Lowe's and Home Depot don't have ANY of the nicer double oven models in stock. The wife has been wanting one for over a year now. And it just keeps getting worse. The house we bought here 20 months ago is up over  65%. The insanity continues.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Timothy on April 05, 2021, 06:58:30 AM
I think we’ve discussed this before but I’ll still warn against buying appliances from Lowe’s or Home Depot.

I bought a Toro mower from HD and when needed, could not find an independent authorized dealer to service it...

Having worked at Lowe’s, I don’t bother with them for anything!  Probably the worst management I’ve ever encountered!
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: billt on April 05, 2021, 08:04:06 AM
I think we’ve discussed this before but I’ll still warn against buying appliances from Lowe’s or Home Depot.

I bought a Toro mower from HD and when needed, could not find an independent authorized dealer to service it...

Having worked at Lowe’s, I don’t bother with them for anything!  Probably the worst management I’ve ever encountered!

I agree with you on some of their products. Water softners, faucets, (except for hose bibs), and certain other plumbing supplies, I avoid them. But where are you supposed to buy appliances? Especially when no one has them in stock. Here we have Lowe's, Home Depot, and that's it. We don't even have a Best Buy. And I'm not driving to Phoenix or Vegas for a damn range. And even if I did their stock is bare as well. And if they had it, they'd kill me with shipping.

Both of the generators I bought from them, (Lowe's) run like raped apes. And they had them in stock when no one else did. So again, I couldn't buy from anyone else if I wanted to. They pretty much have a monopoly on this kind of stuff in a 50,000 to 100,000 population demographic town.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: PegLeg45 on April 07, 2021, 03:45:06 PM

I don't know if it's Covid or what, but it's much the same with stoves and ranges. It's like they're not being built. Who the hell ever thought there would be a "shortage" of kitchen stoves? Lowe's and Home Depot don't have ANY of the nicer double oven models in stock. The wife has been wanting one for over a year now. And it just keeps getting worse. The house we bought here 20 months ago is up over  65%. The insanity continues.

Same with mowers. I think it's a combination of lower factory production cascading down from months ago along with folks spending the stimmy cash on stuff they wouldn't have bought normally.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Timothy on April 07, 2021, 04:11:37 PM
We have some local mom & pop appliance stores.  Bit more money but they’re full service, not that I’ve ever need their service.  Not much on home appliances I can’t fix.

Sears was a good source for the lesser brands like Kenmore, Whirlpool, hotpoint and such but those brands were all built by Whirlpool, but they’re all but gone in New England.  Even their scratch and dent store was bought up.

But, don’t need that stuff anymore.  Retired, living in a small Veteran/old fogey complex...

Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on April 07, 2021, 05:25:03 PM

I don't know if it's Covid or what, but it's much the same with stoves and ranges. It's like they're not being built. Who the hell ever thought there would be a "shortage" of kitchen stoves? Lowe's and Home Depot don't have ANY of the nicer double oven models in stock. The wife has been wanting one for over a year now. And it just keeps getting worse. The house we bought here 20 months ago is up over  65%. The insanity continues.

 ;D  Same as Lumber.
The  factories all closed down, then the workers along with every one else spent the shut down using up existing stock.     ;D
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on April 27, 2021, 02:31:47 PM
Its funny the misses has been doing a night rotation  lately.  You would think I would sleep better when the covers thief is not there, but I dont.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on April 28, 2021, 08:03:05 AM
Its funny the misses has been doing a night rotation  lately.  You would think I would sleep better when the covers thief is not there, but I dont.

It's the anticipation of having to steal back the blankets.
When she's there you just do it automatically, when she's not, your brain keeps waiting for the draft.    ;D
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Rastus on April 28, 2021, 09:48:18 PM
<snip>, when she's not, your brain keeps waiting for the draft.    ;D

HA HA

Good one.

And probably true.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on June 23, 2021, 01:06:49 PM
I could not help myself.... I just said yes to hanging some cabinets...


Moral of the story, I hate to see people getting screwed. Y bad contractors
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on June 23, 2021, 01:11:08 PM
I could not help myself.... I just said yes to hanging some cabinets...


Moral of the story, I hate to see people getting screwed. Y bad contractors

There it is boys and girls, "Gateway contracting".
A set of cabinets today, tomorrow it will be a housing development !
So sad to see a man overcome by his demon.    ;D   ;D
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on June 23, 2021, 01:47:55 PM
There it is boys and girls, "Gateway contracting".
A set of cabinets today, tomorrow it will be a housing development !
So sad to see a man overcome by his demon.    ;D   ;D

I felt bad for them, one of the misses  co workers.  I can fix most of it, but not all.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on June 23, 2021, 05:03:25 PM
"Oh, just ONCE is OK."   

It's like watching some one try to quit smoking.    ;D
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on June 23, 2021, 06:03:37 PM
"Oh, just ONCE is OK."   

It's like watching some one try to quit smoking.    ;D
I am a whore, people throw money at me, I do things
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on June 24, 2021, 08:10:41 AM
I am a whore, people throw money at me, I do things

 ;D  LMAO   ;D
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: J. Kennedy-ar154me on June 24, 2021, 08:18:07 AM
I am a whore, people throw money at me, I do things

You owe me for the cup of coffee I just spilled out while spitting out a mouthful while laughing!

*********************
A married couple down on their luck decides to make a few extra bucks by reluctantly having the wife work the corner. After the first day, the husband picks her up and asks "how did you do?". She says, "I did pretty well, I made $200.50". He asks, "What asshole gave you 50 cents?" and she replies "all of them".
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on July 01, 2021, 04:11:29 PM
You owe me for the cup of coffee I just spilled out while spitting out a mouthful while laughing!

*********************
A married couple down on their luck decides to make a few extra bucks by reluctantly having the wife work the corner. After the first day, the husband picks her up and asks "how did you do?". She says, "I did pretty well, I made $200.50". He asks, "What asshole gave you 50 cents?" and she replies "all of them".
I am pretty sure at this point I owe the forum a container full of coffee.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Rastus on July 02, 2021, 09:43:48 AM
That's right bud!  Pay up!
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: alfsauve on July 02, 2021, 10:17:47 AM
I've reversed the equation in retirement.   I throw money at other people and they do things for me.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on July 02, 2021, 10:39:55 AM
That's right bud!  Pay up!
any time any one is near central utah
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Rastus on July 04, 2021, 08:20:18 AM
Or when you are visiting family in Arkansas?
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: les snyder on July 04, 2021, 08:57:38 AM
I find it easier to sleep in the recliner so I don't get congested... midnight to around four, then a couple hours in the bed... just had cataract surgery, and the eye protector is needed at night... I won't get my new glasses for about a month... the brightness and lack of yellow tint is amazing  8)
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Rastus on July 04, 2021, 09:48:09 AM
I hope that goes very well for you Les. 

We inherited a bed that articulates and vibrates.  Man, I will never have anything but that.  I keep the head raised slightly and it really helps my sleep...much like a recliner but I think better.  You may want to consider something like that.  I used to have one of those wedges that went under the mattress to elevate the head but being able to adjust it where it needs to be is the cat's meow.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on July 04, 2021, 11:23:20 AM
Or when you are visiting family in Arkansas?
I have some cousins in Stuttgart and Cabet.   I do want to go visit the cabet war memorial, I have more than a few family members  names on it
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Rastus on July 04, 2021, 11:50:28 AM
Camp Nelson?
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on July 04, 2021, 04:46:42 PM
Not 100% sure, a cousin sent me pics of it last year.  I counted 8 family members on it.  My grandfather, 2 of his brothers...
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on July 22, 2021, 02:29:48 PM
So I am going back to work....


So as most of you know utah is booming.  Houses being built every where, but they are all 400k+ and all 2400-3600 sqft plus an unfinished basement.  They are all selling in the 130-170 per sqft prices and almost exclusively  2 stories


Now given the influx of retirement age people. Stairs are bad news for most of them.


So what did I do, locked up some land to build single story 1400-1800 sqft homes with features that are better suited to the elderly.  Things like showers, no stairs and etc.   Looking to sell them at180- 200 /sqft.  Which should make them competitive in the market, but they will have higher end finishes and more of a " forever  home" for that demographic.   I have 2 investors and should have ~100 ready to build on by end of the year.


I could not help myself.  I saw a need that was not being met.

Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Timothy on July 22, 2021, 02:39:54 PM
Good project!  We older folks get cranky with stairs.  My right hip isn’t the one I was born with!

Front and back stoops that are straight in help too!  Extra framing in the bath to support future grab rail install wouldn’t hurt.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: billt on July 22, 2021, 02:55:04 PM
You'll do well. Seniors hate climbing stairs. Houses here are going insane. I've never seen anything like it in my life. The price per Sq. Ft. is off the chart. We bought our place 2 years ago, (7/3/19), for $245,000. It was listed for $252,000. This morning both Zillow and Trulia have it at $400,500. It's only 1,445 Sq. Ft. That translates to $277.00 per Sq. Ft.

I don't see how this can last. But it seems to be doing just that. I sit out on the driveway early in the morning when it's cool, and have my coffee before sunup. In the span of just 15 minutes 7 or 8, 13 yard concrete trucks go by up the hill, pouring slabs, driveways, and footings for new homes.

A lot of this building is from California refugees cashing out of their houses in the L.A. area. Jobs are drying up, taxes are high, and many are buying here, Phoenix, or are headed to Texas. It's all going to end with a bang. Young people are going to take it in the ass. There is no way they can work and save anywhere near as fast as prices are climbing. They will soon be priced out of the market..... If they're not already.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on July 22, 2021, 03:45:13 PM
Good project!  We older folks get cranky with stairs.  My right hip isn’t the one I was born with!

Front and back stoops that are straight in help too!  Extra framing in the bath to support future grab rail install wouldn’t hurt.

I do that anyways.   I am an ADA consultant.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Timothy on July 22, 2021, 03:55:40 PM
I’m sure you’re aware of Tunnels to Towers?

Building homes for disabled Veterans may not return much in dollars but I know it rewards in other ways…
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on July 22, 2021, 05:30:48 PM
I’m sure you’re aware of Tunnels to Towers?

Building homes for disabled Veterans may not return much in dollars but I know it rewards in other ways…
not that one, but i know of several others. I have not seen one that I liked thier structure or how they spend the money.  I actually have thought about starting one, I just don't want to have to go kiss ass mode to get funding.    Nor do I want the government  in my business  like that w
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Timothy on July 22, 2021, 06:23:49 PM
The guy that started Tunnels lost a brother who was a firefighter who ran to the towers on 9/11. 
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on July 22, 2021, 07:52:23 PM
So I am going back to work....


So as most of you know utah is booming.  Houses being built every where, but they are all 400k+ and all 2400-3600 sqft plus an unfinished basement.  They are all selling in the 130-170 per sqft prices and almost exclusively  2 stories


Now given the influx of retirement age people. Stairs are bad news for most of them.


So what did I do, locked up some land to build single story 1400-1800 sqft homes with features that are better suited to the elderly.  Things like showers, no stairs and etc.   Looking to sell them at180- 200 /sqft.  Which should make them competitive in the market, but they will have higher end finishes and more of a " forever  home" for that demographic.   I have 2 investors and should have ~100 ready to build on by end of the year.


I could not help myself.  I saw a need that was not being met.

 ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Knew you couldn't resist. 
No more than a beaver can resist building a dam.   ;D

Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on July 22, 2021, 09:59:27 PM
;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Knew you couldn't resist. 
No more than a beaver can resist building a dam.   ;D

Well I see a need and I fill it
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: J. Kennedy-ar154me on July 23, 2021, 08:18:31 AM
I don't know if it is within your plans but you also might look at elevators. We have one in our 2 story and I love it. It did ad about 15K to the building but, for us, well worth it.

We have a 1 story with a fully finished basement with a walkout.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on July 23, 2021, 08:46:17 AM
Well I see a need and I fill it

BS.
You just like building stuff.   ;D
It's how I wound up with a 3D printer .   ;D

It does show that needs can be filled with out "Govt money".
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: billt on July 23, 2021, 09:06:46 AM
I don't know if it is within your plans but you also might look at elevators. We have one in our 2 story and I love it. It did ad about 15K to the building but, for us, well worth it. We have a 1 story with a fully finished basement with a walkout.

I lot of the high end 2 story homes on the golf course here have them. They make the larger homes far more sell able to the older retired folks. Most of them hire out the housekeeping and landscaping anyway, so they can afford them.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: J. Kennedy-ar154me on July 23, 2021, 11:32:22 AM
I lot of the high end 2 story homes on the golf course here have them. They make the larger homes far more sell able to the older retired folks. Most of them hire out the housekeeping and landscaping anyway, so they can afford them.

I, sure as hell, wish I could afford that. ;^)
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on July 23, 2021, 11:45:13 AM
I don't know if it is within your plans but you also might look at elevators. We have one in our 2 story and I love it. It did ad about 15K to the building but, for us, well worth it.

We have a 1 story with a fully finished basement with a walkout.

Oddly enough those are not really a thing on my part of the country.  Its only in very expensive  homes that you see them. 

Honestly, I would not even build a basements  if the market would support it.  Its a big expense and not one that is really needed,but the market demands it.  Slabs are doable, just require pinned footings, raised foundations are by far the cheapest, and you really only have to go down 5'
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Timothy on July 23, 2021, 11:52:34 AM
Small on demand water heaters, a/c units, heat pumps and exchangers kinda negates the need for cellars these days.  Not like you need a root cellar anymore!  All your mechanical systems would fit in a closet.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on July 23, 2021, 03:46:14 PM
Small on demand water heaters, a/c units, heat pumps and exchangers kinda negates the need for cellars these days.  Not like you need a root cellar anymore!  All your mechanical systems would fit in a closet.
its the frost that is the issue here. 

I have already gone thru the planning commission, with any luck 4 models will be up end of September  start of october.  Its all at the mercy of the supply chains now.  Day after planing commission  made the info public I got almost 400 calls from re agents.  Its like um, can I get the roads in 1st please. 

Its one of those things I am willing to bet by the end of the year all the major tracks will have a model for this  style of home.   Not to mention that we are using icf.  Which is not really done here ( once again I have no clue why, its perfect for here)
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on July 23, 2021, 03:53:22 PM
BS.
You just like building stuff.   ;D
It's how I wound up with a 3D printer .   ;D

It does show that needs can be filled with out "Govt money".


The real question is will I be just riding a desk or will I be swining a hammer too. 

Trades are stretched thin and I will be importing talent from ca lol.  Of which I am sure most of the guys will stay.   Hard to let go of freedom.

I already know that people here are not use to ca construction pace.   Stuff that should be done in a week takes 2 here.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on July 23, 2021, 05:53:46 PM

The real question is will I be just riding a desk or will I be swining a hammer too. 

Trades are stretched thin and I will be importing talent from ca lol.  Of which I am sure most of the guys will stay.   Hard to let go of freedom.

I already know that people here are not use to ca construction pace.   Stuff that should be done in a week takes 2 here.

Hope you get to do the one that keeps you coming back .
No matter how much I bitched, it was the company, or particular project I hated, loved the work itself.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Rastus on July 23, 2021, 06:27:00 PM
<snip> Not to mention that we are using icf.  Which is not really done here ( once again I have no clue why, its perfect for here)

Foxblocks?  You know I want to build an icf house. 

I'm waiting to build.  Even barely acceptable "skilled" labor is hard to come by.  The Bozo's you can find will easily cost you 2X in mistakes and bad attitudes.  Building materials are still high but it's the labor that is keeping my project on the back burner.  I had planned to sell the house out of Tulsa next month but...with the national inflation rate for the last 5 months coming in at an annual rate of 10.4% (13 % with fuel and food that they don't count) I don't see how anyone can afford to put cash in the bank and let it wait for a project a year later.  If this "transitory inflation" keeps up, and it will, a buck in cash now will be worth 87 cents this time next year. 

So...to sell or not sell, to build or not build is a catch 22 for me.  If I miss the home sales runup I'll sell for less.  If I sell now my money will be worth less for the project.  I'm thinking I will rent the house out or take out an ad in a California newspaper real estate section and list it for double the going rate to see if I get a bit.

 
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on July 23, 2021, 06:51:54 PM
I already have the house water tight.  It is icf, did not go with fox due to wait times.  Went with a competitor. Nudura xr35. 

Pretty much the same, only slightly thicker  wall and more r value. R 35 vs r 24.

 11.25 vs 14.375.  Fox being smaller.

There was a simlar increases in price.  Nudura has basicly thr same product and cost is the same.  Just availability.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Rastus on July 24, 2021, 07:55:13 AM
Wow.  R35.  That's great. 
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on July 24, 2021, 10:22:44 AM
Wow.  R35.  That's great.
  was not planed, just what was available  quickly... hmm the high product was on the shelf.  Imagine that.  I did lose a bit of interior  space, but not really a big deal.  No real increase in load( almost identical concrete  usage)  just more foam. 
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Rastus on July 24, 2021, 10:53:27 AM
How about a 3D concrete printed home? 

https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/floridas-first-3d-printed-home-under-construction-amid-housing-affordability-crisis (https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/floridas-first-3d-printed-home-under-construction-amid-housing-affordability-crisis)
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on July 24, 2021, 11:29:42 AM
I think its a fad that will go away when the 1st house falls down to a natural disaster.    It was more of a look at this cool thing we can do, rather than being practical.

The only way stick building will go away is if the cost goes up dramatically.   We had a 400-1000% cost on lumber and it did not stop any one from stick building.( at least for established home builders, I am have always been a maverick  when it comes to that)
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on July 24, 2021, 12:40:08 PM
How about a 3D concrete printed home? 

https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/floridas-first-3d-printed-home-under-construction-amid-housing-affordability-crisis (https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/floridas-first-3d-printed-home-under-construction-amid-housing-affordability-crisis)

It's a bigger thing than you may think.
We are Johnnie come lately's compared to the Europeans .

https://all3dp.com/2/2019-best-companies-building-3d-printed-houses/
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on July 24, 2021, 01:35:31 PM
Europe does not have earth quakes, tornadoes or hurricanes.

With no real steal reinforcement, it won't hold up to even moderate  ones of the above.   I also have really serious concerns about bond between the layers.   If everything is perfect it should not be an issue. But what happens when you have a delay between layers.  Rather thats traffic, rejected  load of mix, equipment failure.   Cold joints can be handled easily  with conventional  methods, only they are using exotic ( and expensive  mixes) stuff to make it work.   I also have to question the green aspect of the process  as they are using lots of acrylic polymers  in the mix to reduce the water content.   Which are not green, both in thier production and when they evaporate.

It really is a wiz bang boom  type of construction, that needs either a drastic improvement or will be forgotten.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Rastus on July 25, 2021, 01:23:09 PM
<snip>
With no real steal reinforcement, it won't hold up to even moderate  ones of the above.   I also have really serious concerns about bond between the layers.   If everything is perfect it should not be an issue. But what happens when you have a delay between layers.  Rather thats traffic, rejected  load of mix, equipment failure.   Cold joints can be handled easily  with conventional  methods, only they are using exotic ( and expensive  mixes) stuff to make it work.  <snip>

Is that wildly different from structural brick?
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on July 25, 2021, 09:52:31 PM
Is that wildly different from structural brick?

Brick has at least tie in bricks and h bar.  This stuff has none of that. 

It is basicly using a giant piping bag full of frosting.  How many layers can you stack be for you have issues?
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on August 10, 2021, 12:14:40 PM
Just got everything surveyed  and grade staked, heavy equipment  will be there in the morning.   With any luck the models will be water tight in the middle of September.   So, I will be living off like 4 hours of sleep until than...
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on August 10, 2021, 04:20:59 PM
Just got everything surveyed  and grade staked, heavy equipment  will be there in the morning.   With any luck the models will be water tight in the middle of September.   So, I will be living off like 4 hours of sleep until than...


 ;D  I know several guys in their 80's still working because it's what they ARE, not just something they do.   ;D
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: alfsauve on August 11, 2021, 12:45:31 PM

 ;D  I know several guys in their 80's still working because it's what they ARE, not just something they do.   ;D

It's a problem tying one's self worth into one's job.  I prepared for it by becoming more invested in competition shooting and being a grand-dad.  If it makes you happy go for it, but when the day comes that you can't do that work anymore be prepared.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: billt on August 11, 2021, 01:34:27 PM
It's a problem tying one's self worth into one's job. 

I think if you can work for yourself successfully, you'll find working all that much more rewarding. When you work for someone else, not so much. A lot of people don't have what it takes to create a business and make it successful. Or they just don't want to be bothered with the hassle.

I worked for others as an employee for 45 years. I enjoyed some places I worked, but hated others. Today it's becoming more difficult, because long term employment is becoming a thing of the past. We have become a nation of short term job hoppers, and it's becoming much less rewarding. Globalization is also hurting people in finding work for good pay. Honestly, I was glad to get out when I did, (Dec. 2014).

I've never looked back. I enjoy life a lot more. And it's about as stress free as it can get. So as long as I'm lucky enough to remain reasonably healthy, I can't complain.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: J. Kennedy-ar154me on August 11, 2021, 03:09:19 PM
I prepared for it by becoming more invested in competition shooting and being a grand-dad. 

 :D :D :D :D Now THEY will keep you busy!
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: J. Kennedy-ar154me on August 11, 2021, 03:12:43 PM
I can't complain.

I am looking forward to that. It will be w few more years (2 maybe 3) but I, like you, have NO INTENTION of looking back. I am in I.T. and the job has changed so much and the people they call "service" techs aren't worth piss unless they are at least 50-years-old.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on August 12, 2021, 11:19:10 AM
I work for an asshole.  He does not give me breaks, time off, raises, vacation/sick days.... he is so demanding. 
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: J. Kennedy-ar154me on August 12, 2021, 11:24:55 AM
I work for an asshole.  He does not give me breaks, time off, raises, vacation/sick days.... he is so demanding.

Even worse. I hear he sleeps with your wife. ;)
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on August 12, 2021, 12:08:12 PM
Even worse. I hear he sleeps with your wife. ;)

Yeah,but on the bright side, he buys me all the tools I want and I can tell him to f..k off at will.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on August 12, 2021, 03:13:31 PM
Even worse. I hear he sleeps with your wife. ;)

The way she snored, NO ONE slept with my ex-wife .   ;D
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on August 17, 2021, 06:29:17 PM
Not sleeping real well....

Not because of work, elk season opens on my 40th bday, and I can't wait.  I have a hunters choice tag and it is also good for rifle.  So I have a month to get with in arrow range or I will get one if I can get with in 300 yards.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on August 18, 2021, 08:24:30 AM
Not sleeping real well....

Not because of work, elk season opens on my 40th bday, and I can't wait.  I have a hunters choice tag and it is also good for rifle.  So I have a month to get with in arrow range or I will get one if I can get with in 300 yards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NwP3wes4M8
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on August 20, 2021, 08:15:08 PM
Not long now... about 10 hours

Truck is all packed ready to roll
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on August 21, 2021, 08:42:08 AM
Good luck
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on August 23, 2021, 06:52:32 PM
Had to cut the trip short, had an issue, I no longer have an archery tag
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Timothy on August 23, 2021, 07:57:18 PM
Had to cut the trip short, had an issue, I no longer have an archery tag

Yer freezer stocked?
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on August 24, 2021, 11:13:16 AM
Yer freezer stocked?

Not yet, processing quarters  this morning.  Not a super big bull, but he tuanted me.  I was about 30 yards away and he had the nerve to turn almost perfectly broad side.   I could not let him get away with that.  Ran about 120 yards after the shot.  I was a tiny bit high and missed the heart, but I got a very clean double lung shot. Arrow went clean thru breaking 2 ribs on its way in and out.  5 mile pack out.  Took 4 trips.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Timothy on August 24, 2021, 12:11:38 PM
Well done, Kid!
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Rastus on August 24, 2021, 05:03:02 PM
5 mile packout.  Ouch!  Mules or horses or.....?
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on August 24, 2021, 08:03:49 PM
5 mile packout.  Ouch!  Mules or horses or.....?
boot leather.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on August 25, 2021, 08:44:38 AM
Not yet, processing quarters  this morning.  Not a super big bull, but he tuanted me.  I was about 30 yards away and he had the nerve to turn almost perfectly broad side.   I could not let him get away with that.  Ran about 120 yards after the shot.  I was a tiny bit high and missed the heart, but I got a very clean double lung shot. Arrow went clean thru breaking 2 ribs on its way in and out.  5 mile pack out.  Took 4 trips.

A lot of the big game hunters preferred just over the heart, because the big arteries bleed faster than the actual heart in some animals, and it gives you the angle to hit lungs as well.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Rastus on August 25, 2021, 06:49:06 PM
Ouch.  Boot leather....
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on August 26, 2021, 09:40:59 AM
You charge how much an hour for your time ?

5 miles in, 5 miles out, 4 times, you walked 40 miles, 20 carry a heavy load .
You can BUY elk meat for $15/lb.
Online, so you only have to walk to the mail box.

It would appear, that the meat is just a by product of "the Hunt".     ;D

Probably sounds cheezy, but it's something Capstick, and Selous both commented on in their writings.
If you can buy meat cheap the purpose of the expense, and effort is the hunt experience and the meat itself is merely a side benefit of that.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on August 26, 2021, 11:33:04 AM
You charge how much an hour for your time ?

5 miles in, 5 miles out, 4 times, you walked 40 miles, 20 carry a heavy load .
You can BUY elk meat for $15/lb.
Online, so you only have to walk to the mail box.

It would appear, that the meat is just a by product of "the Hunt".     ;D

Probably sounds cheezy, but it's something Capstick, and Selous both commented on in their writings.
If you can buy meat cheap the purpose of the expense, and effort is the hunt experience and the meat itself is merely a side benefit of that.

Add in the bow, camo, backpack, gear, gas, tent, dry ice, 3 days of my time... its an easy $100+/ lb.  The challenge, my phone not ringing for 3 days, the misses welcoming me back in the shower... all thats stuff is priceless. Hell some guys would pay more than I spent for the shower with a hot women.

Oh yeah, passing off the peta liberal pos fat cat lady down the street when I showed off the rack,head and cape to my other neighbor.   That was pretty much priceless too.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on August 26, 2021, 01:54:20 PM
Add in the bow, camo, backpack, gear, gas, tent, dry ice, 3 days of my time... its an easy $100+/ lb.  The challenge, my phone not ringing for 3 days, the misses welcoming me back in the shower... all thats stuff is priceless. Hell some guys would pay more than I spent for the shower with a hot women.

Oh yeah, passing off the peta liberal pos fat cat lady down the street when I showed off the rack,head and cape to my other neighbor.   That was pretty much priceless too.



^^^THIS^^^     ;D   ;D
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on August 26, 2021, 07:45:37 PM

Yeah I have the hide stretched  out on a pvc frame, magical facing south east.... guess which direction is her house?
^^^THIS^^^     ;D   ;D
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on August 29, 2021, 10:01:13 PM
Had half of one of the loins tonight, roasted with garlic and rosemary. It was excellent.


Next week is going to be pretty brutal.  All the utilities  are go in the ground  and I will be in the trenches ( not just figuratively)  I need it all done by next Tuesday, so an extra pair of hands will help.  That and I don't have to pay myself  over time, so I can work all day.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on August 30, 2021, 08:19:12 AM
Had half of one of the loins tonight, roasted with garlic and rosemary. It was excellent.


Next week is going to be pretty brutal.  All the utilities  are go in the ground  and I will be in the trenches ( not just figuratively)  I need it all done by next Tuesday, so an extra pair of hands will help.  That and I don't have to pay myself  over time, so I can work all day.

I surprised you keep working for that SOB TAB.    ;D   ;D   ;D
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on August 30, 2021, 01:41:48 PM
I surprised you keep working for that SOB TAB.    ;D   ;D   ;D

Yeah, I keep telling him off, but he refuses to fire me.

I feel like a Caltrans employee today, standing around watching every one else work.  Can't do anything until the sewer line gets here~ 2 pm.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on August 30, 2021, 05:56:58 PM
Yeah, I keep telling him off, but he refuses to fire me.

I feel like a Caltrans employee today, standing around watching every one else work.  Can't do anything until the sewer line gets here~ 2 pm.

The theory is that if you pay him to stand around now you have him available when you need him.     ;D   ;D
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on September 03, 2021, 04:16:34 PM
Got every thing in the road bed done for phase 1. 
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: MikeBjerum on September 11, 2021, 07:43:06 PM
Back to the question that started this thread:

I am not retired, but am aging and enjoying this point in my life - Making the best of my current situation.

One of my weekly joys is 18 holes early Saturday morning every week.  Run a couple errands on the way home, have a light lunch, and then a hour long nap that is more relaxing and restful than any of the seven night sleeps in the week.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Rastus on September 16, 2021, 08:26:51 PM
<snip> and then a hour long nap that is more relaxing and restful than any of the seven night sleeps in the week.

Why is that?
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: J. Kennedy-ar154me on September 17, 2021, 08:51:41 AM
Why is that?

Maybe it's because his wife isn't there to steal all the blankets?  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Timothy on September 17, 2021, 11:56:25 AM
Back to the question that started this thread:

One of my weekly joys is 18 holes early Saturday morning every week.

That’s a clean $100 bill around here with a cart!  Now that I’m retired, that’s too much money….should have fled New England decades ago!
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on September 17, 2021, 01:11:35 PM
That’s a clean $100 bill around here with a cart!  Now that I’m retired, that’s too much money….should have fled New England decades ago!

There's a REASON the 1st revolution started in Mass.
Boston, and NY have been the source of most BS in America .
Ca, and Ill maybe modern shit, but it started with Boston and NY.
As for golf ?
Waste of good range space.    ;D

I'll defend Bill Ruger's opinion too.
Look at the sand traps, those would make great backstops with no rocks to cause ricochets.    ;D
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on September 17, 2021, 04:36:24 PM
Mark twain said it best.

Golf ruins a perfectly  good walk.

I am not sleeping very much lately. Lots of 12 hour days.   Getting ready to poor the 2 footings, than its icf time.   Hopefully the end of next week we will have 2 houses ready to be pored.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: MikeBjerum on September 17, 2021, 09:51:33 PM
Why is that?

Completely relaxed from a mind clear from work, most of the time, and 3 1/2 hours of physical activity.  Also, Saturday afternoon is typically the only period during the week that work doesn't bug me, so I can shut my mind completely off.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on September 18, 2021, 08:24:03 AM
Completely relaxed from a mind clear from work, most of the time, and 3 1/2 hours of physical activity.  Also, Saturday afternoon is typically the only period during the week that work doesn't bug me, so I can shut my mind completely off.

If you do that with your phone there's no day they can bug you.
Just a thought .    ;D
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Timothy on September 18, 2021, 10:02:15 AM
I worked for a company that expects 24 hour response from employees.  I told the GM that of the 168 hours in a week only 40-48 belonged to them, the rest were mine!  I’m extremely efficient at my work!

They never managed to get ahold of me for eleven years!  I also changed my number…
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on October 02, 2021, 11:06:03 AM
I just can't help myself... so I have 200+ homes to build, but I already have an idea for another product.   One of those things, why does this not exist type of things.   I just have to source some small and inexpensive  rack and pinion gears.  Not really interested in having to make them.  Only need to be about a foot long, but they do need to be able to hold 500 #
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on October 02, 2021, 01:28:13 PM
I just can't help myself... so I have 200+ homes to build, but I already have an idea for another product.   One of those things, why does this not exist type of things.   I just have to source some small and inexpensive  rack and pinion gears.  Not really interested in having to make them.  Only need to be about a foot long, but they do need to be able to hold 500 #

And the Beaver builds another dam .   ;D   ;D
Hey, That's where civilization came from.    ;D
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on October 02, 2021, 07:35:11 PM
I saw a problem with conventional  options, wanted to fix it by moving the controls 90 degrees so they could be accessed from the front, not the far side.  I was shocked to find out no one makes one, even more shocked at what they cost for some 11 ga steal tubing and an acme thread.   
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on October 03, 2021, 08:30:55 PM
Sent you a pm tom. 


Shocking how much they charge for that... you should see what they charge for the motorized  versions.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on October 15, 2021, 09:03:30 AM
Rock getting hung as I type this... one of the few jobs where I will actively look for a way out of doing it.   Now 6 models water tight( 3for plans, 3 mirrored images)   I am now having to kick looks loos off the job site several times a day.   Getting more and more people leaving messages about buying....  but the message clearly states we are not taking orders until the models are ready for viewing.   One would think if you sat thru a 38 second message waiting for the beep...


As to sleep, what sleep?  Last night I got 3 hours in the truck.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on November 05, 2021, 06:04:01 PM
people are stupid...


I have big signs, 8 of them infact that are 5'x12'

They list the specs of the homes pics of the models(rendered as they still need things like paint and land scape)  a 1 800 # and 8" high letters saying " viewing by appointment  only, taking appointments  starting 11/15/21"... they must not listen to the voice mail either as I had to turn off taking messages.   Getting some where around 500 calls a day.  I am only building 238 homes

I swear I am going to start blocking people...  some people are calling every day...  it clearly states appointments will open up at 9 am on the 15th, they will be 1st come 1st serve.

I am doing pre booked appointments for 3 reasons. 
1 it decreases the window shoppers.  Demand is insane, I don't want to waste time on people that are not actively looking to buy.

2 it let's us spread out the traffic over the day.

3 makes it really easy to control the sight and limit trespassing.


Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on November 05, 2021, 08:55:13 PM
House next door got sick of people turning around in their driveway, so they put up a sign, "NO TURNS".
now twice as many cars turn there.
What get's me though, is we have an identical driveway, 75 feet further, no sign, no one ever turns around there.  ::)
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on November 10, 2021, 11:17:17 AM
1 done, 3 to go. Floor layers in 2 and just waiting on tile/ touch up/ clean/ stage in the last. Had to actually park my truck on the road to stop people driving down the closed street trying to look at new houses.

Monday 9 am start setting appointments.  What people don't know is you leave a voice mail and I will call you back.  There is no actual person picking up the phone.  That way I can vet people.  I want to avoid the " window shoppers"  and the " I need my husband to see this" people.  You either are ready to buy, or not.   I don't want to waste my time/money. 
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on November 15, 2021, 10:45:53 AM
It is now 9:45...  just over 1000 voice mails and counting.

Just with the people I have called back so far 1st week of showings is booked.

Demand for housing is insane, judging form the area codes its mainly people  fleeing ca, nv and or...
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on November 15, 2021, 12:52:10 PM
It is now 9:45...  just over 1000 voice mails and counting.

Just with the people I have called back so far 1st week of showings is booked.

Demand for housing is insane, judging form the area codes its mainly people  fleeing ca, nv and or...

As a victim of Massholization, I suggest you ship them back before they spread.   ;D
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on November 15, 2021, 02:48:57 PM
Actually most of the people I have met moving to utah  are conservative.  There is the odd ball liberal, but they don't tend to last the winter.

One of the voices mails was from my electrician I use to use back in sacramento.... some how he magicly has a showing today, with me... not sure how the person setting appointments  messed that up.   ;D

Ps yes, I am going to ask him to wire the houses up.  His ocd  and attention  to detail makes me look slopy.  No bs, the guy uses color coded electrical tape for circuit, at the box, the terminating  ends and every 10' on the wire/conduit.  All of his bends are at the same angle, he uses double the staples required, always metal boxs and is beyond clean.  I have never even found a peice of striped wore sheathing left behind
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on November 15, 2021, 03:07:57 PM
Actually most of the people I have met moving to utah  are conservative.  There is the odd ball liberal, but they don't tend to last the winter.

One of the voices mails was from my electrician I use to use back in sacramento.... some how he magicly has a showing today, with me... not sure how the person setting appointments  messed that up.   ;D

Ps yes, I am going to ask him to wire the houses up.  His ocd  and attention  to detail makes me look slopy.  No bs, the guy uses color coded electrical tape for circuit, at the box, the terminating  ends and every 10' on the wire/conduit.  All of his bends are at the same angle, he uses double the staples required, always metal boxs and is beyond clean.  I have never even found a peice of striped wore sheathing left behind

Very GOOD !  ;D
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: billt on November 15, 2021, 03:50:13 PM
....... I want to avoid the " window shoppers"  and the " I need my husband to see this" people.

I had a very productive woman realtor tell me once she loved to show houses to the wife and mother in law, during the week while the husband was at work. If they liked the house, it was as good as sold.

Because they both would go home and nag the piss out of the old man, until he went with them and bought it. She said she literally lost count of the homes she sold that way.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Rastus on November 15, 2021, 09:16:15 PM
Actually most of the people I have met moving to utah  are conservative.  There is the odd ball liberal, but they don't tend to last the winter.

One of the voices mails was from my electrician I use to use back in sacramento.... some how he magicly has a showing today, with me... not sure how the person setting appointments  messed that up.   ;D

Ps yes, I am going to ask him to wire the houses up.  His ocd  and attention  to detail makes me look slopy.  No bs, the guy uses color coded electrical tape for circuit, at the box, the terminating  ends and every 10' on the wire/conduit.  All of his bends are at the same angle, he uses double the staples required, always metal boxs and is beyond clean.  I have never even found a peice of striped wore sheathing left behind

Gee I wish he was around Arkansas.  I just had to rewire the NEW 220 circuit to the dryer because the wiring was to small and I don't want the house to burn down.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on November 16, 2021, 08:49:11 AM
I had a very productive woman realtor tell me once she loved to show houses to the wife and mother in law, during the week while the husband was at work. If they liked the house, it was as good as sold.

Because they both would go home and nag the piss out of the old man, until he went with them and bought it. She said she literally lost count of the homes she sold that way.

Mother daughter  is good.  When they are alone they are just looking.  So far every one that has looked at a model has paid cash. 

All of them were older, conservative and bailed from liberal hell.  There are a few locals coming today, it will be intresting.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on November 16, 2021, 05:05:56 PM
Had a wounded vet come look today, he was interested in the ada of the project.  He gets house number 2.    Only had one person not buy the house so far... she made an offer of 40k less than asking... um let me think...

So far only 3 of 26 sold will have a loan.  Surprisingly  the 9 lots that are bigger were not the 1st 9 sold.  Still have 4 left.   It is a 25k more.  9 more showings today.   So far I was right that it was going to take a out an hour and 15 mins per showing of the 4 models
  Every one loves my idea of having the room sqft window size,, closet size and colors in a picture  frame in the room.   The feed back i have gotten is that once they see that, it's the 1st thing they look at in a room.  Only 1 person has bought any add on options( which is solar and recirculating water heater.  I have been getting lots of questions about the solar. They have all pretty much went like this ... " you say your panel system will put out x, the guy up the street building homes with a smaller panel says they will put out more"  " they are basing thier numbers off of what the panels produce when new, I am using an average based off of what a panel produces over its life span.  Which is about 75% of its initial  out put., let me email you a half dozen studies that show panel degradation."

Its like people are shocked that I am not blowing smoke up thier ass.

At the rate things are going next week we will sell out. 


Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on November 16, 2021, 09:30:06 PM
"

Its like people are shocked that I am not blowing smoke up thier ass.



They are.
See Mike's post.    >:(
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on November 17, 2021, 02:14:16 PM
They are.
See Mike's post.    >:(


Just like people are always shocked that I don't drink smoke or due drugs
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: J. Kennedy-ar154me on November 17, 2021, 02:51:51 PM

Just like people are always shocked that I don't drink smoke or due drugs

Hell, you don't have time.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on November 17, 2021, 06:34:22 PM
Hell, you don't have time.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                        ;D
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on November 17, 2021, 06:42:25 PM
Hell, you don't have time.


No I just have the time ro destroy ~$27 arrows, 2 at a time.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Rastus on November 17, 2021, 09:09:17 PM
Hell, you don't have time.

I understand from the standpoint of a misspent youth.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on November 18, 2021, 12:49:11 PM

No I just have the time ro destroy ~$27 arrows, 2 at a time.

Sooo, no MONEY for drugs and alcohol .   ;D
Remember that parents !
Get them started young enough and they'll never have enough extra cash to get in trouble.   ;D
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on November 18, 2021, 01:09:53 PM
Sooo, no MONEY for drugs and alcohol .   ;D
Remember that parents !
Get them started young enough and they'll never have enough extra cash to get in trouble.   ;D


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Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on November 21, 2021, 06:19:07 PM
so far only 1 person has not bought a house after looking at them... that person was a  purple haired land hippo of a Dyke that was mad I did not let her bring her foo foo dogs on the tour.  She also offered 40k than asking price. In cash... it was hard for me not to laugh.

 Something like 80% of the homes have sold for cash.  After the 1st 100 are sold the price  is going up 25k.


There have been a few no shows and lots of people on Mormon standard  time( aka 15 mins late)  over all I have been pretty pleased.    It never fails to amaze me at how bad my industry  is when it comes to business  practices
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on November 21, 2021, 09:18:46 PM
so far only 1 person has not bought a house after looking at them... that person was a  purple haired land hippo of a Dyke that was mad I did not let her bring her foo foo dogs on the tour. She also offered 40k than asking price. In cash... it was hard for me not to laugh.

 Something like 80% of the homes have sold for cash.  After the 1st 100 are sold the price  is going up 25k.


There have been a few no shows and lots of people on Mormon standard  time( aka 15 mins late)  over all I have been pretty pleased.    It never fails to amaze me at how bad my industry  is when it comes to business  practices


Future neighbors will thank you.    ;D
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on November 21, 2021, 09:23:45 PM

Future neighbors will thank you.    ;D
They better I turned down a deal that would have cost me money lol
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on November 27, 2021, 03:56:23 PM
going on a over night train ride with the misses  tonight.   We will see if I can get any sleep.  It was cheaper that driving and about the same time as flying door to door
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on November 27, 2021, 09:19:26 PM
going on a over night train ride with the misses  tonight.   We will see if I can get any sleep.  It was cheaper that driving and about the same time as flying door to door

It's supposed to be romantic .   ;D

Arlo says so.   ;D   ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fF1lqEQFVUo
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Rastus on November 28, 2021, 09:23:11 AM
It's supposed to be romantic .   ;D

Arlo says so.   ;D   ;D

<snip>

Yeah, compared to horses and wagons.  Eating salt pork and hard tack.  Using the bathroom on the trail.  Swatting bugs....yep, I can see it being romantic.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on November 28, 2021, 02:07:43 PM
Yeah, compared to horses and wagons.  Eating salt pork and hard tack.  Using the bathroom on the trail.  Swatting bugs....yep, I can see it being romantic.

 ;D    ;D    ;D   

I got one for you too.   ;D

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KV1MIIA/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1


It's actually pretty interesting   ;D
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: Rastus on November 28, 2021, 07:22:41 PM
Heck yeah.  I bought it.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on November 29, 2021, 09:22:00 AM
If you have to drive cross country it should still provide scenic, or historic stops.    ;D

Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on November 29, 2021, 11:48:37 AM
Just getting back home.   I only have 1 complaint about the train.  The coffee roast was so black it might as well been charcoal.

Other than that it was great. 550 ish mile trip each way took about 9 hours. It was clean, the staff was nice( sir and mam, help loading luggage etc etx), the coach seats were comfy, reclined way more than expected, had 110 ac powe and wifi.  Better  than most airplanes I have been on in the last few years.  Got a decent night sleep for traveling.  Beat part is round trip for both of us was just under $200.  Thats is way cheaper than gas in the truck by half and about what it costs I her car to drive.  No icy roads to deal with.  Over all I highly recommend  it.  Plus your tax dollars already subsidize it.  Might as well use it.

Got to sit at a table with an older couple for a couple hours, had a wonderful  conversation. 


Ps just for tom.   Since Saturday  afternoon  478 voice mails.   I already changed the voice-mail for the project to we are no longer taking appointments and there is no wait list.
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: tombogan03884 on November 29, 2021, 04:45:09 PM
Just getting back home.   I only have 1 complaint about the train.  The coffee roast was so black it might as well been charcoal.

Other than that it was great. 550 ish mile trip each way took about 9 hours. It was clean, the staff was nice( sir and mam, help loading luggage etc etx), the coach seats were comfy, reclined way more than expected, had 110 ac powe and wifi.  Better  than most airplanes I have been on in the last few years.  Got a decent night sleep for traveling.  Beat part is round trip for both of us was just under $200.  Thats is way cheaper than gas in the truck by half and about what it costs I her car to drive.  No icy roads to deal with.  Over all I highly recommend  it.  Plus your tax dollars already subsidize it.  Might as well use it.

Got to sit at a table with an older couple for a couple hours, had a wonderful  conversation. 

Sounds a HECK of a lot better than bus.   ;D


Ps just for tom.   Since Saturday  afternoon  478 voice mails.   I already changed the voice-mail for the project to we are no longer taking appointments and there is no wait list.

I've said they have to put instructions on toothpaste , I never said the sheep could follow them .   ;D
Title: Re: Do You Find Yourself Sleeping More Or Less Since Retirement ?
Post by: TAB on November 29, 2021, 09:39:21 PM
Sounds a HECK of a lot better than bus.   ;D


I've said they have to put instructions on toothpaste , I never said the sheep could follow them .   ;D

I took a bus once.  Never again