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Title: Ukraine vs. Russia
Post by: MikeBjerum on March 13, 2022, 01:17:41 PM
The more I follow this over the days, the more I think of Red Dawn.

The movie came to mind the first day of the invasion, as citizens picked up guns, made improvised weapons, and as manufacturers are switching from merchandise to war products, I keep waiting for the movie credits to roll.  Now I read that a second mayor of a city has been captured by the Russians.

Throughout social media there are items floating about "nobody needs an AR-15 or AK-47."  The next photo is typically a young Ukrainian girl with an AK.  I have debated this with people, and they claim we still don't need them, because, even though it would never happen here, if we ever need them the government will hand them out.  How many here see our government ever agreeing within themselves to call citizens into action?
Title: Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
Post by: crusader rabbit on March 13, 2022, 01:22:09 PM
At least half the gub'mint lives in fear of the populace.  They might hand out flowers and peace signs, but guns?  Never.

Crusader Rabbit
Title: Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
Post by: billt on March 14, 2022, 05:00:21 AM
This isn't going as planned for Putin. He sent in his less experienced troops, and doesn't have the logistical support to keep them supplied. Tanks and trucks are running out of gas, and are being abandoned along the roadside. And soldiers are running out of food, ammunition, and supplies.

Not only that, but opposition inside Russia is growing, in spite of Russian citizens being jailed, and in some cases, outright killed. This isn't going to end well for Putin. All of the oligarchs that pretty much run the country, are having their bank accounts frozen. Their yachts seized. Along with their private jets either grounded, or else not allowed into any foreign airspace to land anywhere.

Putin doesn't have a friend in the world right now, and is basically finished as a leader. Even China isn't allowing any Russian currency to to pay for oil trades, to pass through their biggest bank in Singapore. Russia is basically shut completely out of ANY world commerce.

These oligarchs are nothing but state funded gangsters, who basically stole everything they have through dealings with Putin, by kicking cash back to him. Just like the Mafia here does.

They're not going to be happy with him if this crap continues..... And all indications are that it will, and even get worse. Someone at some point just might ventilate his cranium. He has everything to lose here, with all but nothing to gain. In short, he's an idiot. 
Title: Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
Post by: J. Kennedy-ar154me on March 14, 2022, 09:45:07 AM
This isn't going to end well for Putin. All of the oligarchs that pretty much run the country, are having their bank accounts frozen. Their yachts seized. Along with their private jets either grounded or else not allowed into any foreign airspace to land anywhere.

Putin doesn't have a friend in the world right now and is basically finished as a leader.

Maybe true but I still think that if things get worse for me he will escalate the war and if it gets to the point he knows he cannot win he, in my opinion, would use a nuke on Ukraine! I believe he thinks Biden is weak and will not retaliate so he could do this without much reprisal. This is wrong and I believe that if the U.S. did nothing some other nuke capable country would bomb him back. Ant that point, BOHICA.  IMHO!
Title: Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
Post by: tombogan03884 on March 14, 2022, 02:00:09 PM
This isn't going as planned for Putin. He sent in his less experienced troops, and doesn't have the logistical support to keep them supplied. Tanks and trucks are running out of gas, and are being abandoned along the roadside. And soldiers are running out of food, ammunition, and supplies.

Not only that, but opposition inside Russia is growing, in spite of Russian citizens being jailed, and in some cases, outright killed. This isn't going to end well for Putin. All of the oligarchs that pretty much run the country, are having their bank accounts frozen. Their yachts seized. Along with their private jets either grounded, or else not allowed into any foreign airspace to land anywhere.

Putin doesn't have a friend in the world right now, and is basically finished as a leader. Even China isn't allowing any Russian currency to to pay for oil trades, to pass through their biggest bank in Singapore. Russia is basically shut completely out of ANY world commerce.

These oligarchs are nothing but state funded gangsters, who basically stole everything they have through dealings with Putin, by kicking cash back to him. Just like the Mafia here does.

They're not going to be happy with him if this crap continues..... And all indications are that it will, and even get worse. Someone at some point just might ventilate his cranium. He has everything to lose here, with all but nothing to gain. In short, he's an idiot.

Can you even name 3 things Putin has done that don't involve this invasion of Ukraine ?
You're talking about a no-body "Colonel" who jumped over the heads of Generals and Marshal's to 1st, become the youngest ever head of KGB then head of the country .
Guy like that is probably a jump or 2 ahead of you .
Let's talk about Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin.
Who says he's a bad guy ?
The same media you've been calling lying SOB's for so many years ?
The same media who spent 4 years spewing anti Trump propaganda ?
We can't judge him by his friends.
He doesn't seem to have any.
But if we judge him by his enemies ...
Who hates Putin ?
The Democrats,
Canada,
France,
Germany,
The Pope
Celebrities,
Western media.
Actually, I'd be proud to have them all pissed at me.

The only hold up in the invasion is that "Planners" never account for things like feeding and resting the supply truck drivers so things progress slower than expected,
Tanks don't run on air, the invasion is proceeding at reasonable logistics speed.
Leading the invasion with crappy troops ?
It's called locating resistance with conscript cannon fodder you won't mind losing ( the Z formations)
Then follow up with better units, (the V formations) only where they can exploit advances.
That has been a thing since the Roman legions.

Expect them to pause about 20 Km from Kiev, artillery and rockets have a range of about 25 Km.
Title: Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
Post by: billt on March 14, 2022, 05:32:29 PM
Can you name me one thing he's gained, compared to EVERYTHING he has lost? I used to think the guy was a smart player until he did this. He has totally destroyed any leverage or credibility he had, or might have had. Mafia Godfathers have more sense then this ass hat does. Even if he succeeds in taking Ukraine, (which he won't), what has he won?

His own people are quickly turning against him... Even at the threat of death. Guys like Putin are no different than these drug lords who get obsessed with their own wealth and infallibility. Putin will end up the same way. It's only a matter of time. And even that is against him.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/russians-are-about-ten-days-away-from-culminating-point-lt-gen-hodges

"The Russians, I think, are about ten days away from what is called the culminating point, when they just no longer have the ammunition nor the manpower to keep up their assault."

Title: Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
Post by: tombogan03884 on March 14, 2022, 05:55:35 PM
Secured access to the Black Sea,
Several nuke plants, most of the Soviet Nuclear plants were built in Ukraine.
A buffer between Russia and all 3 countries who have a history of invading Russia .
Enough ?

Bill, quit parroting CNN, it makes you look foolish.
I gotta say it, Bill, If you and Rastus were not such long time members I'd think you were bots



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ozEZxOsanY

Title: Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
Post by: billt on March 15, 2022, 03:40:53 AM
You really need to get some fresh air Tom. This war is bogging down for Putin. The resupply lines he thought he could have established by now, are non existent. The Ukraine's are putting up a better fight than he thought they would or could.

They are going to do to Putin what the Mujahideen did to Gorbachev. Send them packing with their tail between their legs. It's only a matter of time. Time that Putin doesn't have, and his soldiers have even less of before they get hungry, and run out of fuel and ammo. The Ukraine's do not know the meaning of the word "surrender". The Russians soon will.

All of these nut case dictators like Putin and Saddam make the same mistake. They think their armies are as nuts as they are. The Ukrainian's are going to give Putin a guerrilla war that he'll never win.

And you can add the Russian people to the list of countries that hate him. Even they are turning against him. Over 6,000 have been arrested because they know this idiot is nuts, and is destroying the country. They're protesting against him all over Russia. This, in spite of his threats of arrest and imprisonment.   
Title: Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
Post by: billt on March 15, 2022, 06:39:36 AM
Bill, quit parroting CNN, it makes you look foolish.

You need to stop parroting Tucker Carlson...At least on this subject. He doesn't have a clue. And is only trying to appeal to the 5% far right wing fringe of his base.

He as well as Fox are quickly learning it was a stupid move.... Just like Putin's. The risk is far outweighing any, "reward".
Title: Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
Post by: tombogan03884 on March 15, 2022, 08:53:08 AM
You need to stop parroting Tucker Carlson...At least on this subject. He doesn't have a clue. And is only trying to appeal to the 5% far right wing fringe of his base.

He as well as Fox are quickly learning it was a stupid move.... Just like Putin's. The risk is far outweighing any, "reward".

You have nothing worthwhile to offer beyond ignorant BS.
You reply with this crap because you have no information you don't get from TV.

You still haven't answered my question about 3 things Putin has done other than this Ukraine invasion.
You don't have a clue and you're to pig headed to get one when it's handed to you free.
Go bitch about "inflation", and leave important issues to the people who know what they are talking about.
Title: Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
Post by: billt on March 15, 2022, 09:14:34 AM
Putin has damaged himself beyond any recovery that would make up for what he has done to himself, his country, or it's citizens. Because he's nuts, and doesn't give a shit.

If you can't see that much, you're blinded by foolishness. And if that wasn't the case, why would his own people risk there lives demonstrating against him? Are you going to sit there and tell me they're all "ignorant" as well? You're just being foolish.

FACT.... The Russian Ruble is plummeting on world financial markets.

FACT.... His entire country has been shut down economically.

FACT.... His money, and the assets of the people who helped him achieve power, are all frozen.

FACT.... His oil markets are no longer of value, because countries are no longer buying from Russia.

FACT.... Even his soccer and hockey teams can no longer play anywhere... Nothing to you and me, but everything to the Russian citizens who worship them.

And you honestly think getting a broken down nuclear power plant that's leaking radiation, along with an obscure seaport is worth all of that? And he ONLY gets that IF he takes the country.... Which he won't. Preposterous.
Title: Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
Post by: billt on March 15, 2022, 10:39:14 AM
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/russia-two-weeks-ukraine-invasion/2022/03/15/id/1061237/?ns_mail_uid=a8f2d8a1-0ef5-40c9-af79-63712d9b7a47&ns_mail_job=DM312020_03152022&s=acs&dkt_nbr=010102yk6y18

"The Russian military may be able to sustain the fight in Ukraine for only another 14 days, the Daily Mail is reporting.

The newspaper, attributing the information of U.K. defense sources, said that after two weeks the Russian forces may struggle to hold the ground they captured in Ukraine.

The sources maintain the Russian army is on the run. And the sources claim the resistance in Ukraine should be greater than the invading force within 14 days."
Title: Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
Post by: tombogan03884 on March 15, 2022, 10:58:58 AM
Notice Tim isn't posting tabloid BS ?
 He's watching the "exercises" in the Artic where NATO subs are forcing the Russian Ballistic missile subs out of their hiding places.

Got this from "NewsMax" too;

https://www.newsmax.com/us/ufo-aliens-defense-nationalsecurity/2020/08/01/id/980086/

Oh, and the Daily Mail ?  OOOW

Damn, I couldn't live with out this major newsflash .

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10611681/Kanye-West-chastises-green-alien-pin-Norths-backpack-assures-daughter-God-alive.html


Is that the best you got ?
Really ???
Title: Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
Post by: billt on March 15, 2022, 11:34:53 AM
So, your answer when you have none, is to piss on the messenger.... Got it. 
Title: Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
Post by: Rastus on March 15, 2022, 12:12:09 PM
Notice Tim isn't posting tabloid BS ?
 He's watching the "exercises" in the Artic where NATO subs are forcing the Russian Ballistic missile subs out of their hiding places.
<snip>

Tim?  I feel better about things now that I know Tim is watching.

Not that it matters, but the Monkeywerx youtube channel is providing some perspective based upon aircraft transponder data that is interesting.

Title: Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
Post by: tombogan03884 on March 15, 2022, 02:53:54 PM
So, your answer when you have none, is to piss on the messenger.... Got it.

No, that's your bit.
You ever going to answer my question or just b leat like the sheep you are ?
Your such a fing expert, name 3 things that Putin has done that did not involve this invasion of Ukraine.
You are a brainless parrot.
Title: Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
Post by: tombogan03884 on March 15, 2022, 02:55:43 PM
Tim?  I feel better about things now that I know Tim is watching.

Not that it matters, but the Monkeywerx youtube channel is providing some perspective based upon aircraft transponder data that is interesting.



Oh yeah, Rastus going to wiegh in with his super duper secret news.\

I'm going back to face book.
There's more intelligence.
https://liveuamap.com/
Title: Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
Post by: billt on March 15, 2022, 03:41:07 PM
I'm going back to face book.

Don't worry, they'll hate Putin just as much over there.
Title: Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
Post by: Rastus on March 15, 2022, 05:01:29 PM
Super duper?  Are you a dupe?  That is on youtube using publically available data.

You head on back to faceybookey now. 

For you to appear so bitter life must have been really cruel for you.
Title: Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
Post by: billt on March 17, 2022, 04:27:25 PM
This is failing on a colossal level for Putin. The US took less casualties in 8 years in Iraq, combined with 20 years in Afghanistan, than Russia has lost in just 3 weeks in Ukraine.

Russia is going to suffer a bloodbath to occupy, and will be bled dry of men and money in a year. At current rates of losses of men and tanks they'll have nobody left in a year.

They lost their 4th general the other day. That's a general every 4 days... Lost about 15,000 - 20,000 Soldiers, 400+ tanks, thousands of vehicles, a significant number of aircraft, etc.

These Russian losses are absolutely mind-blowing for a 1st world nation in just under 3 weeks. Putin already regrets this.
Title: Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
Post by: Rastus on March 17, 2022, 05:17:19 PM
I don't believe Putin cares anything about his human losses.  I do believe that he has to be successful or he will be replaced. 

If failure means Putin getting the boot I will not be surprised if he ramps up the use of chemical weapons and fuel-air bombs in an indiscriminate manner. 

For me it's hard to know what is truth and what is a lie.  The same people who provided the propaganda that covered up a stolen US Presidential election are telling us there are no US biological research centers in the Ukraine...then the deputy undersecretary of State admitted there were labs.  You can't believe the US news media, "the swamp" or the Biden administration and you can't believe the Russians so what do you believe...   

I see the map of what Putin has taken in Ukraine.  The major Ukraine cities, if not overrun, are surrounded.  Right now, though protracted, it's looking like a bloody, messy 4th quarter win coming for Putin. 
Title: Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
Post by: billt on March 18, 2022, 03:57:55 AM
Russia will win the battles, but ultimately lose the war. Just like we did in Vietnam and Afghanistan. And the Soviets did in Afghanistan as well. We, (and the Russians), are good at coming in with overwhelming force. We, (and they), simply have the large numbers and superior weapons starting out.

But fighting a guerrilla war takes undying fortitude. We didn't have it in Vietnam or Afghanistan, because it just wasn't worth the blood and treasure. And it's the same for Putin here. The Ukrainian people are much like the Mujahideen were in Afghanistan.

They simply won't quit, and will fight to the death of the last man. Russia has never fought a war like that. It's different when you're fighting on your own soil, that someone else wants to take away from you. As opposed to invading to add to your countries glory and size. The Ukrainian's HAVE to fight. The Russians were TOLD to fight.

These people have no where else to go. They would rather die than lose. We can't even imagine fighting a war like that. And neither can the Russian army. Remember, they were never on board with this whole thing to begin with. Putin pumped them full of bull$h!t. 
Title: Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
Post by: Rastus on March 18, 2022, 07:26:23 AM
So long as the Ukranians can receive arms they can fight.  Like the NVA.  When we hit Hanoi and mined the harbor the North Vietnamese went to the negotiating table...which meant nothing in the end.  Had the government to the north been eradicated AND the south not been corrupt things may have been different in Vietnam.  But it wasn't.

I do remember Ukraine being a Soviet state.  There were no relavent revolts then.  I believe they can once again be conquered if the Russians can stop the flow of arms into the nation....though there may be so much ammo and so many guns already in that it will go the way you speculate. 

Putin isn't trashing the farming areas.  He's controlling the populations.  They may hold out for a long time...but one day their food will run out.  Will the Russians hold out longer or will they fold?  Time will tell.

Title: Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
Post by: Big Frank on March 19, 2022, 08:29:33 PM
Remember when Russia was a superpower to be feared and respected? And they had good tanks?

God bless Ukraine. May St. Javelin watch over and protect her.

I share the sentiments of the 13 Ukrainian soldiers defending Snake Island who replied to a Russian warship, "Russian warship, go fu*k yourself."

They're fighting for their freedom and their homeland. I found out today that Kel-Tec was sending a free shipment of guns to Ukraine after one of their distributors wasn't heard from again. At least they weren't disarmed by their government like the nanny state of (Not So) Great Britain before WWII when NRA members and other American civilians supplied members of the home guard.
Title: Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
Post by: J. Kennedy-ar154me on March 21, 2022, 08:21:31 AM
. At least they weren't disarmed by their government like the nanny state of (Not So) Great Britain before WWII when NRA members and other American civilians supplied members of the home guard.

Something I would have to think twice about now considering what the British Government has done to law-abiding gun owners there. Of course, the Government was only able to do this because the "subjects" allowed it. It still angers me that they were helped and turned around and put themselves back in the exact same predicament they were in before the war. Some people/countries never learn.
Title: Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
Post by: billt on March 21, 2022, 02:45:28 PM
Putin's campaign is just about stalled. His troops are being killed left and right.

"Their maneuver forces on the ground are essentially stalled," Austin said Sunday during an appearance on CBS’ "Face The Nation." "It's had the effect of him moving his forces into a wood chipper."

https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/ukraine-russia-live-updates-03-21-2022
Title: Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
Post by: billt on March 22, 2022, 03:46:50 AM
Now Putin is placing his own spies under house arrest. He is blaming them because this entire invasion has bogged down, and all but ground to a halt.

Now it's being told that he actually had his troops B.S.'ed into thinking they would be welcomed by the Ukrainian citizens.... Instead they were shot at, and a large number of them killed.

https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/ukraine-russia-live-updates-03-22-2022
Title: Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
Post by: Pathfinder on March 24, 2022, 01:29:42 PM
I don't believe Putin cares anything about his human losses.  I do believe that he has to be successful or he will be replaced. 

I see the map of what Putin has taken in Ukraine.  The major Ukraine cities, if not overrun, are surrounded.  Right now, though protracted, it's looking like a bloody, messy 4th quarter win coming for Putin.

There was a "press conference" aired in Russia wherein Putin had all of his top advisors sitting in a semi-circle, and he went person by person demanding they gige their "opinion" on invading Ukraine. The fear on their faces was obvious, and when the top intelligence guy kinda waffled on saying "DA!", Putin grilled him for 3-4 minutes - on camera. Replacing him will take a coup, doubt it will come from the party.

Most of the Ukraine cities are not surrounded, certainly not Kyiv. Heavily damaged, yes, especially Mariupol. In fact, yesterday the report was that the Ukraines had actually pushed Russian troops away from Kyiv some 20 miles or so.

My wife and I watched a Ukrainian movie last night called Kruty 1918. A battle raged at a train station where 400 army cadets and 300 students held off 3000 bolshevik troops for a day. There is now a memorial there, not only for the defense but for the 30 or so students the bolsheviks murdered after they took the station. I mention this only because the Russians tried to take and destroy the monument recently, but were driven back leaving over 200 dead in the process - according to the Ukraines.

Interesting article today that the Green Berets have helped the Ukrainians since 2014, training them in small unit and guerrilla tactics. Given the estimated 10k+ Russian dead and thousands of destroyed vehicles, I would say the training helped.

That said, if Putin gets really nervous, well, he is EX-KGB and I would think that almost any action would be do-able on his part. That is where the coup might happen. The Russian .mil has seen how poorly their men and materiel have faired against a small army and an insurgency, and the risk of antagonizing NATO (toothless as it has often been) may be too much. One can only hope. I saw a report where one of the Russian prototype nextgen tanks - a one-off tank - had been knocked out. If they're throwing untried weapons into the battle - with no spares and possible limited training for the crews - they must be scrapping the bottom of the barrel.

BTW, I don't think Putin threw his least trained into this, I think he sent the standing Army in (in various guises), not expecting the violence of the Ukraine resistance nor the speed at which the Russian army depleted itself of men and materiel. Remember 2014 - that is more of what he was expecting, especially with Brandon at the helm here (backed by the ass-kissing Austin and Miley).

What we are seeing is evidence of Russia still suffering after the Soviet collapse, and the fact that the ruble has never really been stable enough to fund significant increases in their military establishment. Thus they were quickly unable to muster a credible threat in spite of all of Putin's blustering. Individually or in small numbers I'm sure the Russians could be a handful. But, damn, the Ukraines sank one of the Russian warships in the Black Sea.
Title: Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
Post by: Big Frank on March 25, 2022, 06:57:55 AM
The more I follow this over the days, the more I think of Red Dawn.

The movie came to mind the first day of the invasion, as citizens picked up guns, made improvised weapons, and as manufacturers are switching from merchandise to war products, I keep waiting for the movie credits to roll.  Now I read that a second mayor of a city has been captured by the Russians.

Throughout social media there are items floating about "nobody needs an AR-15 or AK-47."  The next photo is typically a young Ukrainian girl with an AK.  I have debated this with people, and they claim we still don't need them, because, even though it would never happen here, if we ever need them the government will hand them out.  How many here see our government ever agreeing within themselves to call citizens into action?

I never thought about it being like Red Dawn but it is in a lot of ways. This meme answers the anti's question, why? But they still don't get it. And IMO our government would never hand out weapons to the citizenry. They're more afraid of us than they are of living under socialist rule.
Title: Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
Post by: Big Frank on March 25, 2022, 07:03:27 AM
Maybe true but I still think that if things get worse for me he will escalate the war and if it gets to the point he knows he cannot win he, in my opinion, would use a nuke on Ukraine! I believe he thinks Biden is weak and will not retaliate so he could do this without much reprisal. This is wrong and I believe that if the U.S. did nothing some other nuke capable country would bomb him back. Ant that point, BOHICA.  IMHO!

Don't you remember Biden's warning to Putin back in December? :)
Title: Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
Post by: Big Frank on March 25, 2022, 07:51:39 AM
Russia will win the battles, but ultimately lose the war. Just like we did in Vietnam and Afghanistan. And the Soviets did in Afghanistan as well. We, (and the Russians), are good at coming in with overwhelming force. We, (and they), simply have the large numbers and superior weapons starting out.

But fighting a guerrilla war takes undying fortitude. We didn't have it in Vietnam or Afghanistan, because it just wasn't worth the blood and treasure. And it's the same for Putin here. The Ukrainian people are much like the Mujahideen were in Afghanistan.

They simply won't quit, and will fight to the death of the last man. Russia has never fought a war like that. It's different when you're fighting on your own soil, that someone else wants to take away from you. As opposed to invading to add to your countries glory and size. The Ukrainian's HAVE to fight. The Russians were TOLD to fight.

These people have no where else to go. They would rather die than lose. We can't even imagine fighting a war like that. And neither can the Russian army. Remember, they were never on board with this whole thing to begin with. Putin pumped them full of bull$h!t.

That's what it all boils down to, Bill. The Ukrainians have something to lose in this war and the Russians don't. The Russians may or not gain something by it, but they have nothing to lose, other than individual lives which don't matter to leaders like Putin. The Ukrainians DO have something to to lose, their homeland, and will fight dearly to protect it, as surely as real Americans would fight to save our homeland from an invading army.
Title: Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
Post by: J. Kennedy-ar154me on March 28, 2022, 10:19:55 AM
as surely as real Americans would fight to save our homeland from an invading army.

I hope there are enough of us left to do so when needed!
Title: Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
Post by: billt on March 29, 2022, 10:10:46 AM
It's not going well for Putin.

https://www.newsmax.com/headline/russia-ukraine-war-cut-back/2022/03/29/id/1063326/?ns_mail_uid=a8f2d8a1-0ef5-40c9-af79-63712d9b7a47&ns_mail_job=DM317330_03292022&s=acs&dkt_nbr=0101020p8f4t
Title: Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
Post by: Big Frank on June 26, 2022, 04:30:42 AM
A few days ago I heard it wasn't going well for Ukraine. I don't remember anything except they retreated from an area which was hard to travel (no roads) and the Russians who occupied the land on both sides closed the gap. Now the Russians had a solid front all the way across where ever it was. It looked like the southeast border of Ukraine on the map I saw but I really wasn't paying attention. It sounded like "the world's 2nd 3rd mightiest army?" was finally starting to accomplish the kind of thing they should have been able to do during the first couple of days.
Title: Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
Post by: Rastus on June 26, 2022, 06:21:10 AM
This thing is really dragging out.  From the news we hear alarms that we are sending all of our supplies to Ukraine leaving ourselves in a bad way for our own defense.  To that I say who was our adversary?  Isn't our adversary losing conventional capability and spending money without our troops bleeding???

Now how long is this ongoing effort by Russia to last?  That may be a real issue for us.   They have an ally in China that will provide them all of the computer chips and rare earth metals needed to replace sophisticated armament and AK's and ammo.  What war material replacement capability do we have compared to Russia and China?   

I always thought in a real shooting war things would go hot and whatever your bring to the table is what you fight with.  Half an hour or so later it would not matter because it would be over....bad assumption. 

Can we mobilize like we did in WWII?  Is there time enough for that?  Is that even possible with the clown crew running the White House?

 
Title: Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
Post by: Big Frank on June 26, 2022, 08:06:26 AM
Anytime Ol' Rootin' Tootin' Pootin's guys are dying in combat and our guys aren't even there it's a good thing.
Title: Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
Post by: Big Frank on June 26, 2022, 05:39:52 PM
Putin 'Scraping the Bottom of the Barrel' as He Drags Shockingly Obese General Out of Retirement to Replace Dead, Injured Top Brass.

67 year old General Pavel described as being obese and weighing 280 pounds.
Title: Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
Post by: Rastus on June 29, 2022, 05:18:07 AM
A big fat general makes for some good PR.  But if he knows what he's doing it doesn't matter whether he's fat or made out of paper mache'. 

Finland and Sweden are making haste to get into NATO.  From that effort I surmise they have intel that Ukraine is not Putin's ultimate goal.  To me, it sounds like the Swedes are running scared.
Title: Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
Post by: Big Frank on July 04, 2022, 10:56:24 AM
A big fat general makes for some good PR.  But if he knows what he's doing it doesn't matter whether he's fat or made out of paper mache'. 

Finland and Sweden are making haste to get into NATO.  From that effort I surmise they have intel that Ukraine is not Putin's ultimate goal.  To me, it sounds like the Swedes are running scared.

Today Kyiv. Tomorrow the world!  That's all Putin wants. Nothing more.

He very well could have cholesterol plaques building up in the arteries of his brain. If so, maybe it would affect his decision making ability, maybe not. But it does make him more likely to have a stroke or TIA. Then they'll have to find an even older, more decrepit general somewhere to replace him. And it can't be easy finding one of those still alive.

Does the general's uniform remind anyone else of a pair of pajamas?  Pavel's pajamas in Big Boy's sizes.* Camo jammies for the fat &^%$ who wants to feel comfortable and in command.  It almost sounds like the tagline for a commercial.  ;D

* As in Big Boy restaurants, not just boys who are big.
Title: Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
Post by: Rastus on July 04, 2022, 11:06:55 AM
Yeah well, if he's running it now by all appearances he's doing a better job than his predecessors.
Title: Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
Post by: Big Frank on July 04, 2022, 11:34:56 AM
It could be that all the dead weight got killed off and now they have the best general of all time there... But one of the other commanders was killed by a sniper soon after arrival, and it's awfully hard to win a war that way. The way I see it any of their generals who doesn't die should be able to command the army of mighty Russia to kick little ol' Ukraine's butt any day. Historically it's usually the Goliath who slays David in battle. I've been wondering from the start what's taking them so long? Why didn't the Russians drop a bunch of FOABs (Father of All Bombs) with 4 times the power of a MOAB? Or use any other method of overwhelming force by and end it, instead of dragging things on if Russia is what they try to project to the world, and not just a big puffed up paper tiger?
Title: Re: Ukraine vs. Russia HIMARS
Post by: Rastus on July 24, 2022, 08:25:53 PM
Looks like Russian Major General Artem Nasbulin was taken out by a HIMAR attack.

The Russian 22nd Army Corps in Ukraine
Artem was acting as the Chief of Staff of the Russian 22nd Army Corps when multiple rockets impacted his headquarters. The 22nd Army Corps are the coastal defense troops for the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Navy, and they played a significant role in the initial invasion of Ukraine.

They are headquartered in the Crimean city of Simferopol and comprised of the:
8th Artillery Regiment
Surface-to-air Missile Battalion
1096th Anti-Aircraft Missile Regiment
127th Reconnaissance Brigade
4th CBRN Protection Regiment and,
126th Gorlovskaya Guards Coastal Defense Brigade