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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: billt on September 18, 2022, 01:26:21 AM
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Russia has lost as many troops in the last 7 months of fighting in Ukraine, (almost 54,000), than we lost in 10 YEARS in Vietnam! Their equipment losses are even more staggering.
This war is going horribly wrong for Putin. It is devastating Russia both morally, as well as economically. They can't keep this up, and Putin knows it. Last week someone from his elite inner circle gave up his location. They hit his limousine, and damaged it.
Ukraine is now taking back captured Russian territory with the advanced weapons they're receiving from us and other countries. The Javelin Missiles are proving to be devastating to their tanks and armored personnel carriers.
The people of Russia are turning against him, and he is on borrowed time. It's only a matter of time before they get him. He has cost the politically powerful Russian oligarchs there billions of dollars in seized property and currency worldwide. They are NOT happy with him.... And remember, they are the ones who put him in, and keep him in power.
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3571795-russias-military-death-toll-in-ukraine-rises-to-53850.html
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Russia has lost as many troops in the last 7 months of fighting in Ukraine, (almost 54,000), than we lost in 10 YEARS in Vietnam! Their equipment losses are even more staggering.
This war is going horribly wrong for Putin. It is devastating Russia both morally, as well as economically. They can't keep this up, and Putin knows it. Last week someone from his elite inner circle gave up his location. They hit his limousine, and damaged it.
Ukraine is now taking back captured Russian territory with the advanced weapons they're receiving from us and other countries. The Javelin Missiles are proving to be devastating to their tanks and armored personnel carriers.
The people of Russia are turning against him, and he is on borrowed time. It's only a matter of time before they get him. He has cost the politically powerful Russian oligarchs there billions of dollars in seized property and currency worldwide. They are NOT happy with him.... And remember, they are the ones who put him in, and keep him in power.
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3571795-russias-military-death-toll-in-ukraine-rises-to-53850.html
Who they? Source?
The cited source is Ukrainian, not trustworthy as they have a serious axe to grind in this, may just be propaganda.
OTOH, Russia is buying materiel from North Korea, stuff they sent the Koreans back in the Soviet days. The losses in men and materiel are high, though. It's tough watching the MSM because they show old, burned out and rusty equipment while crowing over the materiel seized by the Ukrainians after it was abandoned by the Russkies. Can't trust the MSM at all.
Also, the recent cozying up between Putin and Xi is disturbing for a whole lot of reasons. Two in particular are the fact that Russia now has an outlet for oil sales (China), and China now has a target for its goods (Russia) that have been tied up due to Xi's insane zero-covid lockdown policy as well as diminished demand from the West. If you look at the marine traffic maps, China has hundreds (if not thousands) of ships anchored at sea, dormant, with no crews. They've been moved into harbors and bays of late due to the pending typhoon, but in a couple weeks they will be towed back out and anchored again. No demand for them.
Lots of cargo flights, though, from China to the States. Probably real necessities that are now much more expensive because air freight is more expensive than boat.
Boat traffic in China IS flowing northward, though. To Beijing's harbor area and beyond.
Another issue with the Ruskkies is that they have Europe over a barrel. Come winter NATO may well be an organization in name only.
I follow Forward Observer and Monkeywerx to get a better picture of stuff the MSM won't even hint at.
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Pick any source you want. Most say worse.
https://www.google.com/search?q=how+many+troops+has+russia+lost+in+the+ukraine+war&oq=&aqs=chrome.3.35i39i362l4j46i39i175i199i362j35i39i362j46i39i175i199i362j69i59i450.54317097j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
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Trump's Javelin missile sale saved them until the Ukrainians help arrived. We've lost a couple of special forces advisors over there as carried in the news. If not for those Javelin's the war would have been in Russia's favor and would likely be over now.
However that stymied them along with a few other weapons. The news coming out is that we are the ones telling the Ukrainians what to do and when to do it using our intelligence and our weapons. I think had we not gotten involved so quickly and because of Trump's 700+ Javelin missiles that Ukraine would be lost. It was looking like a rout at the beginning. HIMARs system has made a huge difference in striking command and control coupled with intelligence that identified HQ's and Russian military leadership.
It's also not over yet. I've heard a lot of people complaining about our munitions getting used up but who would we have used them on? Maybe they are getting used up but someone else is doing the job and our guys are able to, mostly, sit this one out.
It will be interesting to see what gives with Putin's coming announcement.
I doubt Russia will escalate until winter when Europe is freezing and needing Russian's natural gas. However, without Ukrainian food Europe will begin to starve. I was amazed at how quickly help flowed into the Ukraine not knowing they supply so much food to Europe...I bet had that not been the case the action would be over now.
But, if Putin does escalate in a manner other than just a swelling of numbers of warm bodies and bullets then thing may get really unstable very quickly.
Trump tried to tell Europe...but they did not listen. I really enjoy looking at the German diplomats in the UN laughing and ridiculing Trump when he was warning everyone of reliance on Russian natural gas and oil. Like a contract or piece of paper really means something to a sovereign nation. Who is laughing now bitch?
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Pick any source you want. Most say worse.
https://www.google.com/search?q=how+many+troops+has+russia+lost+in+the+ukraine+war&oq=&aqs=chrome.3.35i39i362l4j46i39i175i199i362j35i39i362j46i39i175i199i362j69i59i450.54317097j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
The source for attacking Putin's limousine?
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11212515/Putins-limousine-hit-loud-bang-possible-attack.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11212515/Putins-limousine-hit-loud-bang-possible-attack.html)
https://www.timesnownews.com/world/russian-president-vladimir-putins-limo-attacked-in-assassination-attempt-amid-ukraine-war-details-article-94225799 (https://www.timesnownews.com/world/russian-president-vladimir-putins-limo-attacked-in-assassination-attempt-amid-ukraine-war-details-article-94225799)
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The source for attacking Putin's limousine?
Take your pick.
https://www.google.com/search?q=who+attacked+putin%27s+limousine&oq=who+attacked+Putin%27s+limosuene&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j33i10i160l2.10751j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
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Trump's Javelin missile sale saved them until the Ukrainians help arrived. We've lost a couple of special forces advisors over there as carried in the news. If not for those Javelin's the war would have been in Russia's favor and would likely be over now.
However that stymied them along with a few other weapons. The news coming out is that we are the ones telling the Ukrainians what to do and when to do it using our intelligence and our weapons. I think had we not gotten involved so quickly and because of Trump's 700+ Javelin missiles that Ukraine would be lost. It was looking like a rout at the beginning. HIMARs system has made a huge difference in striking command and control coupled with intelligence that identified HQ's and Russian military leadership.
It's also not over yet. I've heard a lot of people complaining about our munitions getting used up but who would we have used them on? Maybe they are getting used up but someone else is doing the job and our guys are able to, mostly, sit this one out.
It will be interesting to see what gives with Putin's coming announcement.
I doubt Russia will escalate until winter when Europe is freezing and needing Russian's natural gas. However, without Ukrainian food Europe will begin to starve. I was amazed at how quickly help flowed into the Ukraine not knowing they supply so much food to Europe...I bet had that not been the case the action would be over now.
But, if Putin does escalate in a manner other than just a swelling of numbers of warm bodies and bullets then thing may get really unstable very quickly.
Trump tried to tell Europe...but they did not listen. I really enjoy looking at the German diplomats in the UN laughing and ridiculing Trump when he was warning everyone of reliance on Russian natural gas and oil. Like a contract or piece of paper really means something to a sovereign nation. Who is laughing now bitch?
It was easy for our guys to intercept Russian intelligence when they were communicating by cell phone and old unsecured radios. The money for new comms went the same place as the rest of the military budget. I don't remember the numbers but I think it was something like 4 billion went to the military over a certain period, while 3 billion went to Putin's buddies who all bought mega yachts. I saw the prices on some of them and the cheapest I saw had a 9-digit price-tag. That's why Russian soldiers have cardboard body armor, reactive armor on tanks is filled with egg cartons, plastic explosives are blocks of wood wrapped in paper, and a whole slew of other problems. They even had to start using Mosin-Nagants because they didn't have enough AKs, etc. They've been begging other countries for uniforms, and they set up a "go fund me" type of page to buy basic necessities. I saw a video of one Russian soldier wrapping his foot with a piece of cloth because he didn't even have a pair of socks. They thought everyone in the world would just roll over because they have nuclear weapons. They thought actually going to war was never going to happen, so why spend money on all that materiel, uniforms, and training their pilots, etc.? Putin believed his people when they told him everything was going as it should. He should know better than that in Russian politics. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes, Pootin'.
Russia went from being the second most powerful military in the world, to being the second most powerful military in Ukraine.
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Russia went from being the second most powerful military in the world, to being the second most powerful military in Ukraine.
Isn't that the truth! People are now saying Putin is already planning an exit strategy to live in Venezuela, should he lose the war in Ukraine..... Which is looking to be an all but certainty. The only question is, how many troops is he willing to lose before he calls it quits.
This will go down in history as the best example of how NOT to fight a war.
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Today's update of the situation in Ukraine. It looks like the Russian supply line through Crimea is getting shut down. They're running out of ways to get anything to Ukraine, or to get back out. Does the term "kill box" ring any bells? When there's nowhere else for the Russians to run to, ambush them, and close in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd3NPRtM-g0
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To the best of my knowledge these pictures of a Russian tank turret have not been doctored.
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Franks, it is a Soviet-era tank, which the Ukraine also use, but whose tank was it?
One of the things I keep saying to my poor wife amidst all of the discussion about Abrams and Leopard tanks being sent to the Ukraine is that the Russians have anti-tank missiles too (and drones), and the Ukraines are not experts in infantry-tank integration, which is the only way to keep tanks alive on the modern battlefield.
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Path,
I fully believe this is what is behind our reluctance to send the Abrams to Ukraine. The amount of training required to learn how to operate and maintain these tanks is cumbersome. Add to this the logistics required to maintain not only the mechanical side of the machine, but all of the technology.
I recall when the issue first became public our military was talking about the length of time Ukrainian solders needed to be on our training base to learn, and Ukraine coming back with they couldn't spare them for even half that time. This was without even touching on the maintenance side.
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I believe the Ukrainians and russians are stuck in soviet era tank tactics, which was over run your opponent with massive numbers of tanks and men and to hell with maintenance/logistics.Why train someone who has such a short battle life when they can just throw more bodies at the enemy.Just a thought.
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Franks, it is a Soviet-era tank, which the Ukraine also use, but whose tank was it?
One of the things I keep saying to my poor wife amidst all of the discussion about Abrams and Leopard tanks being sent to the Ukraine is that the Russians have anti-tank missiles too (and drones), and the Ukraines are not experts in infantry-tank integration, which is the only way to keep tanks alive on the modern battlefield.
That was a Russian tank according to the article. After the Soviet Union broke up Ukraine kept it's tank factories running. When they couldn't get cast turrets from Russia, they built better, welded turrets themselves. Or was it hulls? Anyway, they've been upgrading their tanks, while Russian tanks that started out as the same model are still the same ol' same ol'. Even when they couldn't afford to keep the factories running, the Ukrainians still did, then they started selling their tanks overseas. They were selling them to countries that Russia wanted to sell tanks to.
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The Ukrainians are getting what they want because of past payments to the Biden family.
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The Ukrainians are getting what they want because of past payments to the Biden family.
How many remember that up until the day that Putin lined troops up along the Ukrainian border that Ukraine was "a bad guy" in our world?
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How many remember that up until the day that Putin lined troops up along the Ukrainian border that Ukraine was "a bad guy" in our world?
Former bad guys as part of the Soviet Union. And still bad guys in the eyes of Poland. They haven't forgotten about the massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia committed by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army from 1943 to 1945. Things haven't been going so well between the two since 2015, after 10 years of support for Ukrainian sovereignty became an important component of Polish foreign policy. I think the Ukrainians are saying the massacres never happened and it's putting a strain on international relations. Maybe the situation with Ukraine and the west is more of an "enemy of my enemy" thing, but they're trying to get into NATO, so I don't know what their real goal is.
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MG42/MG3's on Laffete 34 tripods being deployed in Ukraine again against the Ruskies. Video - legit BRRRT full ~1200rpm RPM glory.
https://t.me/usinfantryman1/14431
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Video from 🇺🇦#Ukrainian soldiers of the 47th Mechanized Brigade «Magura» inside of the 🇺🇸#American IFV M2A2 «Bradley», which is destroying 🇷🇺#Russian targets at #Zaporizhzhia frontline at night.
https://twitter.com/GloOouD/status/1670422993829257216
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footage of a russian 2S3 Akatsiya self-propelled artillery being hit and destroyed by an FPV kamikaze drone
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/14ctcv0/footage_of_a_russian_2s3_akatsiya_selfpropelled/
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Russian T-80 destroyed by Ukrainian FPV kamikaze drones.
https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1670402387788398593
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Ka-52 Alligator Blows Its Own Tail Boom Off and Keeps on Flying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9SVPasTJc8
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Military Guns and Ammunition Forum - Ukraine Weapons thread. Lots of good stuff here. I've just started to scratch the surface tonight.
https://forums.delphiforums.com/autogun/messages/7993/1887
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There's a new flavor of Fanta in Ukraine- Death Metal Fanta. Extra effervescent! With an EXPLOSIVE NEW TASTE!
https://twitter.com/Mrgunsngear/status/1663296295086301193
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dxc6UbEGiS0