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Title: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: Rob Pincus on December 27, 2008, 05:59:42 PM
The Best Defense: Episode I: Safe At Home

If there is one place you should feel safe, it is your own home. Home is where we are most comfortable. But one of the most terrifying
thoughts all of us has is the chance that someone would break into ourhome. Best Defense host Michael Bane introduces our new series with thequestion "what would you do if your home was broken into?" Co-hosts and defense experts Mike Janich and Rob Pincus demonstrate the basics of what to do to make your home more secure, as well as planning to defend yourself within your home.

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Michael Janich goes over some fundamentals of preparation of defense in your own home, especially in the context of potential home invasions and I hang out at the USSA Range in Tulsa with Phil Strader to go over the most fundamental aspects of defensive shooting.

-RJP
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: Michael Bane on December 27, 2008, 09:31:29 PM
Probably the most important part of THE BEST DEFENSE are you guys. Our greatest hope is that TBD becomes a community rather than a show, and we all benefit. Our plan is to build on what we do season after season.

To me, there's nothing scarier than the concept of home invasion or even a "hot" burglary. It's something that I as a "public person" have agonized over, and many of those thoughts are in episode 1 of TBD. The show has been from day one a collaboration between the three of us and our director...Neither Rob nor Mike nor I are shrinking violets — there's a shock! — but I think we're all very much on the same page philosophically.

WE WANT YOUR COMMENTS! I know you guys (and guy-ettes) aren't a bit shy, and that's going to be part of the process for making TBD the best personal defense show ever.

So thank you, and we look forward to your comments!

Michael B
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: cookie62 on December 27, 2008, 10:03:54 PM
Can't wait, already set my dvr
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: Blank on December 28, 2008, 02:36:44 AM
Hi all,

I have been watching Rob's NRA series on DVD this year.

Can't wait for Episode one of The Best Defense!
I am sure I will learn something. I can use to save my life one day.

My wife watched the promo video with me a few weeks ago.
When the video stopped.
All she could say was, "G's, I am glad we have guns in our house."

I am sure she be watching The Best Defense along with me...

Standing by,

Blank
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: Joe 90 on December 28, 2008, 02:38:28 AM
Sadly, Comcast does not carry The Outdoor Channel.

Will the video be available here to view?

Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: ellis4538 on December 28, 2008, 05:46:04 AM
I have been broken into twice...apartment once and house once.  I wasn't home either time but I remember well the feelings.  I can't imagine a hot break-in now that I'm married an dshe isn't comfortable with me having guns stashed.

Richard

PS:  I have a surprise waiting for them anyway!
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: Michael Janich on December 28, 2008, 11:17:50 AM
I am very excited to be part of The Best Defense and to have the opportunity to share insights on different topics that are of concern to all of us. The organization of the first season builds logically from home defense through awareness and street skills all the way to staying safe in the back country. Along the way, Rob, Mike Bane, and I have had the chance to share a lot of information that we are confident viewers will enjoy.

I'm very glad to be here and look forward to discussing the show and relevant topics with folks on the forum.

Wishing everyone a very Happy New Year!

Stay safe,

Mike
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: ericire12 on December 28, 2008, 11:21:20 AM
(http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=2040;type=avatar)

Hey! There he is!  :)

Glad you could join us here on the forum.... Welcome aboard, and we all look forward to hearing your insight on our discussions.
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: Fatman on December 28, 2008, 11:26:43 AM
Sadly, OC is not offered w/ my cable package.
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: PegLeg45 on December 28, 2008, 01:30:11 PM
I especially await the first episode on home invasions. Home invasion was a growing concern for many in my general area a while back and although it died down for a while, it may be on the rise again with the economy the way it is.
Two instances in particular that occurred in my town come to my mind since we are on this subject.
One involves invasion of several different homes by one crew of four people. Six people were brutally murdered in several homes located around my county during these invasions. The perps were caught, and the murder trials are ongoing (one was just sentences to life without parole last week), but that does little to help the poor folks who bore the brunt of the invasions at the time.
The other involved four armed invaders breaking in on a group of friends playing cards on a weekend evening (perps were not caught) and a large sum of money and valuables were stolen. Thankfully no one was hurt in this instance.

Home invasion, and protection from such, is heavily in my defensive thought process and I am glad you will be bringing this topic to bear.

Thanks,

PegLeg
 8)
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: 2HOW on December 28, 2008, 02:09:20 PM
So glad you have done this. Another reason this is a very important web site. outstanding!!!
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: Rob10ring on December 28, 2008, 07:35:26 PM
Sadly, OC is not offered w/ my cable package.
OC isn't available with our carrier either, even though we live in "The O.C." ;)
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: shooter32 on December 29, 2008, 10:35:48 AM
Can't wait for Best Defense!! With Mike and Rob aboard the Down Range Crew just keeps getting better.

Drop cable - and get Dish Network ;D
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: Michael Bane on December 29, 2008, 12:08:59 PM
One of the SWAT cops we worked with on the home invasion scenarios said it best — "Home invaders are the top of the criminal food chain. They get off on the fear and the terror and the violence they create...sooner or later a home invader will kill somebody."

It worked out amazingly well using LEOs as part of the role-playing scenarios, because we all got Real-Time feedback on the scenarios and our responses to them. I'd like to say I planned it that way, but truth be told it was pure synchronicity (which is a nice word for blind luck). The LEO involvement, coupled with the fact that Rob and Mike are in the field instructing constantly, makes the scenarios you'll be seeing on TBD are as real world as you can get...better, I believe, than anything else that's been on television. That was our goal, and I think we hit it dead bang...we'll see this week!

Our woman role player (Phil Strader's wife, BTW) was so good we were all just awed...she missed her actress calling.

One of the things I hope you take away from TBD is the whole concept of "gaming" your own situations. Interestingly enough, the stuff I learned while we were filming the home invasion shows (there are 2, the second, surprise, kicking things up a notch) caused me to go home and re-game my own situation...and make some changes in weapons placement, etc.

Michael B
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: ericire12 on December 29, 2008, 02:11:00 PM
12/29 - Tulsa: One of three home invaders shot by homeowner
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20081224_11_A1_ATulsa289074

12/29 - Phoenix homeowner greets two burglars with bullets
http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/stories/phoenix-local-news-122408.aca95e.html

12/29 - Austin, TX: Burglar shot, killed by homeowner
http://www.kauz.com/news/local/36809294.html
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: MagpulDynamics on December 29, 2008, 03:36:34 PM
Looking forward to it!
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: Papa Rock on December 29, 2008, 10:54:42 PM
Looking forward to the show, I have MR. Pincus Personal defense DVD series and find him to be very professional.
                                             John
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: HowardCohodas on December 29, 2008, 11:08:38 PM
Will the episodes be available for either online viewing and/or downloading? I hope so!
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: Marshal Halloway on December 30, 2008, 01:03:36 AM
Will the episodes be available for either online viewing and/or downloading? I hope so!

At this time, it will only be available on Outdoor Channel. Some clips which is not included in the show and outtakes will be available here on DRTV within a few weeks.
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: ericire12 on December 30, 2008, 12:59:45 PM
At this time, it will only be available on Outdoor Channel. Some clips which is not included in the show and outtakes will be available here on DRTV within a few weeks.

Please please please please please post the outtakes! 
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: Maj.Bull S. Hitter on December 30, 2008, 01:37:13 PM
 Hello to all.   I just joined the forum. As soon as I saw the info on Self Defense TV, I had to join. Finally a forum for everyone and a TV program for everyone.  Thank You
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: trapshooter on December 30, 2008, 03:07:58 PM
Been waiting for this type of programming for a long time. I have  a CHL and am interested in protecting my family and myself in the safest way possible.
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: shooter32 on December 30, 2008, 03:46:36 PM
This show is going to get noticed outside the TOC  watch and see. My wife has been telling everyone in her office at work about the show. Most are women and she said they all will be watching. To have the BEST in the business working on the show it will be talked about outside the gun world.

This will be the awesome to watch!!!!

Is it Wednesday yet ;D
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: ericire12 on December 30, 2008, 03:51:50 PM
Q: How quickly will you guys have the ratings for this fist show and will you please share it with the rest of us. I am very interested in seeing the hard numbers on this.
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: BigSaucy on December 30, 2008, 04:47:06 PM
DVR set... can't wait.

New season of Shooting Gallery too or are you in production for that?
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: Michael Bane on December 30, 2008, 06:53:02 PM
Yep...new season of SG starts with an exclusive trip to Blackwater in lovely Moyock, NC...I believe this is the best season of SG ever...as much as possible capturing the whole world of shooting!

This week's episode: http://www.downrange.tv/shootinggallery/episode105.htm

Season Lineup: http://www.downrange.tv/shootinggallery/season9.htm

mb
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: bryand71 on December 30, 2008, 11:48:01 PM
Yep...new season of SG starts with an exclusive trip to Blackwater in lovely Moyock, NC...I believe this is the best season of SG ever...as much as possible capturing the whole world of shooting!

This week's episode: http://www.downrange.tv/shootinggallery/episode105.htm

Season Lineup: http://www.downrange.tv/shootinggallery/season9.htm

mb

MB,
Just looked at the lineup for this coming season, Lever Action Self Defense!! Awesome! Can't wait to see all the new episodes, my DVR is set and ready. I will also be watching TBD and setting DVR for it also. If it is anything like SG, I know it will be great.
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: xddan on December 31, 2008, 07:33:28 AM
Rob i think your great defense instructor and if i can ever afford it i would love to attend your school. Dan
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: Rastus on December 31, 2008, 09:43:39 AM
Less than 6 hours to go..............

The DVR's are setup. 

This year's Wednesday night lineup is the bomb! ! !
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: Rastus on December 31, 2008, 03:12:17 PM
Less than 20 minutes now. 

This was a good day to take vacation.
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: HowardCohodas on December 31, 2008, 03:32:47 PM
Wow!! The first show is definitely a winner. I'm still hyperventilating,.

I'm glad I recorded it. I'm going to play it back stopping to take notes frequently. I wonder if the producers thought of producing a notes set and letting us download it.
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: shooter32 on December 31, 2008, 04:05:03 PM
YES ;D Well done. Starting with "Safe at Home" first was what I wanted to see. My wife is very interested in making herself aware of this now that she is home alone more often. I can't wait to watch it again with her.

Awesome first show!!
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: Rob Pincus on December 31, 2008, 04:13:37 PM
Thanks for the feedback.... We actually did decide to make articles available expandingon some of the material on the shows... you can find an example here: http://www.downrange.tv/bestdefense/article1-ep1.htm (http://www.downrange.tv/bestdefense/article1-ep1.htm)

You can find these articles in the future through the episode guide.

Thanks for watching.

-RJP
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: GlockMeister on December 31, 2008, 04:53:41 PM
Sadly, Comcast does not carry The Outdoor Channel.

Will the video be available here to view?



Simple fix, get rid of Comcast; They're overrated anyways. Not to mention, over priced. But then, they all are.

Many times I wanted to get rid of Dish Satellite, especially after they let Obama have a channel for like 2 months. They got so many complaints, they ended up saying in the info that it was paid for by Obama. Honestly, I still wonder if it was or not, I still think they donated him the time and channel? But then, giving up on Dish would also mean giving up on the Outdoor channel and all the other real "MAN SHOWS" they have. I look forward to the 3 new additions to the Outdoor channel, The Best Defense, American Guardian and Impossible Shots that my DVR is also already set to record, actually already started recording, along with the other 5; Shooting Gallery, Guns and Ammo TV, American Rifleman, Shooting USA and Sighting in with Shooting USA. I love them all and couldn't imagine not having them every Wednesday and I couldn't imagine not having these shows to not only watch, but to learn from and enjoy.

So in short Joe 90, I say it's time to get rid of Comcast and get Dish or Direct TV (as I think they to have and offer The Outdoor channel?) and start enjoying what with Comcast YOU DON'T GET AND ARE MISSING...

I'd also like to take this time and thank Rob Pincus and Mike Janich for not only bringing us their expertise in this new show, but for all the expertise they've contributed in the past, on shows such as Shooting Gallery. With that said, I think Michael Bane should also be thanked, for bringing us the great shows and info contained in them, to make us all not only better shooters, but better informed shooters.

I thank you all...


Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: Rastus on December 31, 2008, 05:04:38 PM
Hit.  Edgy.  Balanced.

My wife said she really liked it and thinks that women will learn a lot from it. 

Lot's and lot's of information.

Great job guys. 

Thanks to Larry Potterfield, BSA & Ruger for sponsoring.

One other thing....I know it was a hit with the wife because she took time to learn Rob & Michael's names so that we could discuss what we learned.
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: Michael Janich on December 31, 2008, 05:14:05 PM
Thank you all for your feedback. I'm very glad you feel we hit the mark with the first show. Like any first effort, it was a learning experience for us and the production crew. As pleased as I am with it (and that's pretty damned pleased!), the later episodes get even better!

What a great way to usher in the New Year...

A Safe and Happy New Year to All,

Cheers,

Mike
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: Michael Bane on December 31, 2008, 07:07:06 PM
I can only echo Mike J.'s words...thanks!

Thank you all so very much...

mb
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: Rob Pincus on December 31, 2008, 07:27:50 PM
Might as well make it all 3 of us!

I am really glad to have this as both the Final achievement of '08 and the kickoff of another Great Year!

Thanks Much!

-RJP
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: ismram on December 31, 2008, 07:44:43 PM
i enjoyed the show, very well done. I am interested in seeing how the episodes blend together.
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: Luv2Shoot on December 31, 2008, 08:00:21 PM
WoW... That was a very informative episode, I was able to pick up a few ideas I had not thought of. I look forward to the rest of the series. Great Job...
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: CDR on December 31, 2008, 08:48:25 PM
Tremendous.  The concept and execution of this show is quite an accomplishment and you should be very proud.  Congratulations and well done.

Now, this is quite disturbing and I'm upset with myself for not realizing this on my own, but the speed of an attack, in reality, appears to occur far quicker than I could have imagined.  Therefore, I took from this first show that carrying 100% of the time when I'm outside of the home will do nothing for me when I place my gun in my safe upon returning.  I'm thinking of either carrying 100 % of the time, including at home, or obtain a second GunVault for downstairs to supplement the one I have under my night stand. It is obvious that quick access to a weapon is of paramount importance in a home invasion.  Having to go upstairs is an absurd option.  Your show really brought this home in spades.

Lastly, for Michael 1, Michael 2 or Rob...please play out the scenario beyond what we witnessed at the end of the program.  I wasn't quite sure if the actress playing the victim (tremendous acting job by the way) actually shot the intruder or if the intruder fell to the ground to avoid getting shot.  Either way, how should she have handled the situation from that point if a) she shot the intruder but still had another assailant in the home who may have run off but maybe not?  Or b.) the assailant lie frozen while having a gun held on him with the other intruder about to barge in with God knows how much time before law enforcement show up?

Great job.
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: Robin on December 31, 2008, 09:15:47 PM
Far be it for me as an amateur to critique the work of experienced professionals... but since you asked here are my thoughts. :)

1. The fact the opening sequence showed only females as the victims bugged me. Maybe that's just me.
2. It did not seem realistic that an intruder would start by banging on the front door. Usually home invasion starts by ringing the doorbell and trying to get the residents to open the door via some pretext or another. I'm surprised the LEO "advisor" didn't mention it.
3. I don't know if the budget would have allowed it, but using a professional stuntman would add to the realism when someone takes a hit/fall. If nothing else a bulletproof vest with ballistic insert would have allowed the first intruder to take the chest jab with more realism.
4. I would not feel comfortable in the safe room being so close to a ground floor window--with my back to it no less. Saying the bed was intentionally positioned there makes it worse.
5. I don't like the idea of security through obscurity. Sure things like a GunVault don't offer that much security but it's better than hoping no one finds the handgun. Even if you don't have kids there's always the chance friends will bring some by. Better to always keep guns in a locked container.
6. Biometric devices may be neato tech but (at least right know) it isn't reliable enough to trust your life with. If your finger is too dry, too wet or positioned wrong it won't work. I like and use GunVaults. I don't know if the current deluxe versions allow multiple codes but the pre-company buyout ones did. I programmed in three codes (eg. 1-2-1-2, 2-3-2-3 and 3-4-3-4) that would enable me to open the safe regardless of which button I hit first.
7. In some states, cell phone 911 calls go to Highway Patrol and can take several minutes before dispatch responds. Then there's added delay transferring you to local dispatch. An old cell phone may be the final backup but it's better to have the local PD's emergency number on speed dial on a land line or active cell instead.
8. When calling dispatch, give the most important information first. In this episode's scenario, that would be something like "Home invasion in progress at 123 Some St. Two intruders, male." Pause to allow dispatch to notify/send units. Be prepared to give whatever suspect descriptions you can, state how many residents are there, where you are and the fact you're armed. The last bit is very important.
9. While probably realistic, I didn't like the resident's finger on the trigger. If someone else comes through the door you could have a bad shoot.
10. Speaking of defensive position, the best place is in a corner on the same wall as the door. Even with training it's easy for a person entering a room to forget about hard corners and neglect to clear them properly. That gives you that much more time to identify a person entering the room and make the shoot/no-shoot decision.
11. I'm not sure about announcing you have a gun to the criminals. Why give away a tactical advantage? Likewise telling them you've called the police. It lets them know they don't have much time left and have to act quickly.

That's all I can think of off the top of my head regarding the episode. I might think of more stuff later. Overall it isn't bad for the first episode of a new series. It's too bad the first season is already in the can; any input given now has to wait until the second season.

In terms of treading new ground, there are three areas I think a show like this should cover that haven't really been done before.

The first is what should you do immediately after a shooting. What physical/emotional stress you can expect, how you should inform dispatch about a shooting and prepare for officers arriving on scene. What kind of a statement you should give, and what you shouldn't say to avoid digging yourself into a legal hole later on. People have a natural tendancy to want to explain their situation and it's unfortunate that good intention can land you in legal trouble later on.

The second is dealing the the criminal and almost certian civil tort that will follow even a justifiable shooting. Most people don't think about getting liability insurance to cover themselves, and many of those that do fail to realize their umbrella liability policy may not cover self-defense. It may be better to be tried by twelve than carried by six, but giving your life savings, house and future earnings to the criminal's family isn't much better.

The third is dealing with the emotional aftermath of shooting someone. The psychological scars may surface immediately or take years before they manifest. Either way knowing they can happen and how to deal with it when they do is important.

Well, that's my two cents for now.
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: DavidC77 on December 31, 2008, 09:18:47 PM
Sadly, Comcast does not carry The Outdoor Channel.

Will the video be available here to view?



Comcast doe's have the Outdoor Channel (in my area), it is part of a "extra pay" (around $5 if I remember right) sports package though. I wish Comcast also had the Sportsman Channel but they don't.

Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: Robin on December 31, 2008, 09:23:35 PM
Now, this is quite disturbing and I'm upset with myself for not realizing this on my own, but the speed of an attack, in reality, appears to occur far quicker than I could have imagined. I'm thinking of either carrying 100 % of the time, including at home, or obtain a second GunVault for downstairs to supplement the one I have under my night stand.  Having to go upstairs is an absurd option.
Not necessarily. If you know an invasion is happening it may be better if you can dash upstairs before the intruders see you. That gives you more time to ensconce yourself, versus getting caught in plain sight trying to access a GunVault.

If you do plan on having multiple GunVaults, think of where you spend most of your time indoors, where intruders are most likely to gain entry and where you'd go as a defensive position from there. Then put the GunVault near that location. You may find there's more than one place you'd retreat towards which would necessiate multiple GunVaults downstairs. The show's idea of having improvised weapons in easy reach at all times may be a better solution.

Some people do carry at all times, including when at home, and only take it off at bedtime. I'm not sure how they handle showers though.  ;D
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: tombogan03884 on December 31, 2008, 09:27:14 PM
NEVER TALK TO COPS, that's what lawyers are for.
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: Robin on December 31, 2008, 09:30:46 PM
NEVER TALK TO COPS, that's what lawyers are for.
There is some basic information you must give officers at the scene (eg. location of weapons, how many shots you fired and in what direction, description of suspects, etc.) but knowing what to say and what not to say is critical.
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: tombogan03884 on December 31, 2008, 09:34:37 PM
I was in fear for my life, I want my lawyer. You have the right to remain silent, do you have the ability ?
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: DavidC77 on December 31, 2008, 09:39:13 PM
Very good show to have on the air guys. I enjoyed it. A few things like having a gun and stuff mounted on the board would land the owner (in my Commenwelth, nuf said) in trouble. But in all I think it is a show that is needed to help people out with questions and to see how things can (and do) happen.

I look forward to the coming shows and again THANK YOU for doing great shooting shows, I enjoy them all.

David

Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: Michael Bane on December 31, 2008, 09:45:49 PM
Remember, we're doing a series here! Many of the questions raised here will be covered in future episodes.

mb
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: TAB on December 31, 2008, 10:31:32 PM
Well there was some good info in the 1st show and some bad.

The sliding glass door bit, while sticks are great, they don't stop the person from lifting the door off the track.  Your much better off getting a hinge pin and drilling a hole thru the door and the into the other.  That will stop them from doing that.

now the safe room, I don't care what you do to the door jamb... unless you renforce the structure, they will just kick part of the wall in with the door.  Then there was window, enough said.


Oh yeah, that women screaming got anoying...
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: Robin on December 31, 2008, 11:24:14 PM
Remember, we're doing a series here! Many of the questions raised here will be covered in future episodes.
You have the advantage of us in knowing what was shot. We have only four episode synopsis to go on. I'm curious which questions will be answered. I'm also aware each episode is maybe twenty minutes so there isn't much time to cover in depth. Trying to distill three lifetimes of experience into one season--or even ten--is a tall order. 
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: m25operator on January 01, 2009, 12:36:41 AM
1st, Happy New Year to one and all.

2nd, Well done Bane, Janich and Pincus.

3rd, you wanted feed back and questions not answered in the show, so here go's.

1) bed for cover, normal mattress versus a water bed, seems a water mattress would stop bullets quick, until the waters gone of course.

2)  comment, I have thought often of Mr. Janich idea of using a safe as a hard cover, especially if you have time to open the door and now have twice the cover.

3) Number 1 rule in my house, ( where are you? ) it's just me and my spouse so it's easy, don't do anything until the other person is found, if you have children, it will be harder unless they sleep with you. But don't Rambo up until you know where everyone is.

4)  I was actually present when someone was shaking the door trying to get in, when I was a child, Mom home alone grabbed the .22 rifle and us kids and took us into the living room and not far from the front door, I still remember the vigorous shaking of the door, Mom let off a round into the floor, and I still remember the foot beats as they diminished away from that door. Am I  paranoid? Mom was  Pro anti thug, but not the best defense, I was 6 what can I say.

5)  On Michael Janich door security, very nice if you want to spend 400 bucks on a solid door to your safe area, and I don't say that's not cool, but what if you don't have that money, an alternative, the good old door brace, 2 brackets mounted on studs on either side of the door, even a hollow core door, with a 2x4 cut to length, to go across, cool on the inside and bad on the outside, no kicking in going on there, and you could go for 2, 1 high, 1 low just like the dead bolts above and below the knob.

6) On Mr. Pincus, extend, touch, press, exactly right, but Bill Rogers explained it a little better, not that it matters, normal human reaction time is about 1 second per action, so, react, draw, align the sights, press or jerk the trigger = 4 seconds, but like Mr. Pincus says, and Mr. Rogers says, put that all into 1 thought process and it is not 4 operations, it is one operation, and will take considerably less time.

7)  Can't wait for #2.
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: TAB on January 01, 2009, 12:42:01 AM
1st, Happy New Year to one and all.

2nd, Well done Bane, Janich and Pincus.

3rd, you wanted feed back and questions not answered in the show, so here go's.

1) bed for cover, normal mattress versus a water bed, seems a water mattress would stop bullets quick, until the waters gone of course.

2)  comment, I have thought often of Mr. Janich idea of using a safe as a hard cover, especially if you have time to open the door and now have twice the cover.

3) Number 1 rule in my house, ( where are you? ) it's just me and my spouse so it's easy, don't do anything until the other person is found, if you have children, it will be harder unless they sleep with you. But don't Rambo up until you know where everyone is.

4)  I was actually present when someone was shaking the door trying to get in, when I was a child, Mom home alone grabbed the .22 rifle and us kids and took us into the living room and not far from the front door, I still remember the vigorous shaking of the door, Mom let off a round into the floor, and I still remember the foot beats as they diminished away from that door. Am I  paranoid? Mom was  Pro anti thug, but not the best defense, I was 6 what can I say.

5)  On Michael Janich door security, very nice if you want to spend 400 bucks on a solid door to your safe area, and I don't say that's not cool, but what if you don't have that money, an alternative, the good old door brace, 2 brackets mounted on studs on either side of the door, even a hollow core door, with a 2x4 cut to length, to go across, cool on the inside and bad on the outside, no kicking in going on there, and you could go for 2, 1 high, 1 low just like the dead bolts above and below the knob.
6) On Mr. Pincus, extend, touch, press, exactly right, but Bill Rogers explained it a little better, not that it matters, normal human reaction time is about 1 second per action, so, react, draw, align the sights, press or jerk the trigger = 4 seconds, but like Mr. Pincus says, and Mr. Rogers says, put that all into 1 thought process and it is not 4 operations, it is one operation, and will take considerably less time.

7)  Can't wait for #2.


a new york bar actually does wonders for stoping some one kick in the door.
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: Rastus on January 01, 2009, 01:52:24 AM
There is some basic information you must give officers at the scene (eg. location of weapons, how many shots you fired and in what direction, description of suspects, etc.) but knowing what to say and what not to say is critical.

Tom is offering sage advice.

The victim was the original officer-on-the-scene's brother.  The victim had been a guest your home in the past.  Beyond your name you supplied the unnecessary details that just destroyed what would have been your lawyer's defense and supplied the prosecuter credible information that was twisted by an honest, emotionally skewed crime scene investigation to tell a story that did not happen....now where are you going?

Innocent truth and honest mis-statement convicts.

Your young children have lost a parent and in the midst of the tragedy that devastates your spouse they have become a ward of the state.
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: Robin on January 01, 2009, 02:32:54 AM
There is some basic information you must give officers at the scene (eg. location of weapons, how many shots you fired and in what direction, description of suspects, etc.) but knowing what to say and what not to say is critical.

I was in fear for my life, I want my lawyer. You have the right to remain silent, do you have the ability ?

Tom is offering sage advice.

I'm going to ignore your wacky hypothetical scenario. Actually in this case, Tom is not offering sage advice. As I said, there is some basic information you must give officers at the scene. These involve securing evidence, making sure no one else needs medical attention and trying to apprehend fleeing suspects. You should not say anything beyond that, but you do have to tell officers basic safety information they need to secure the scene.
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: Pathfinder on January 01, 2009, 05:28:01 AM
Tremendous.  The concept and execution of this show is quite an accomplishment and you should be very proud.  Congratulations and well done.

Now, this is quite disturbing and I'm upset with myself for not realizing this on my own, but the speed of an attack, in reality, appears to occur far quicker than I could have imagined.  Therefore, I took from this first show that carrying 100% of the time when I'm outside of the home will do nothing for me when I place my gun in my safe upon returning.  I'm thinking of either carrying 100 % of the time, including at home, or obtain a second GunVault for downstairs to supplement the one I have under my night stand. It is obvious that quick access to a weapon is of paramount importance in a home invasion.  Having to go upstairs is an absurd option.  Your show really brought this home in spades.

Lastly, for Michael 1, Michael 2 or Rob...please play out the scenario beyond what we witnessed at the end of the program.  I wasn't quite sure if the actress playing the victim (tremendous acting job by the way) actually shot the intruder or if the intruder fell to the ground to avoid getting shot.  Either way, how should she have handled the situation from that point if a) she shot the intruder but still had another assailant in the home who may have run off but maybe not?  Or b.) the assailant lie frozen while having a gun held on him with the other intruder about to barge in with God knows how much time before law enforcement show up?

Great job.

Excellent point, although for season 2 since season 1 is already in the can. Take the scenarios all the way through the interviews with the cops. As Mas Ayoob repeatedly points out, the attack and its resolution are only the first step. Show how to be interviewed, what to say (and NOT say!), sound not-legal advice but based on experience.

I saw bits of the show, but the safe room setup and the "attack" was one part I did see. Hope the DVR got it all last night.

I had no idea Rob talked that fast!   ;D

UPDATE: I posted when I read the quoted post, others have said the same thing I tried to say and much better too.

Robin, no, you do not have to give them basic information, it is their job to ascertain what happened, why open the door to an aggressive prosecutor to come after you by saying something in the adrenaline let-down period that will be used against you.

"How many times did you shoot the man, sir?"

Officer, I don't remember, all I remember is the attacker was coming after me, I thought he was going to kill me!"

The cops can count spent bullets (revolver) or casings on the floor (self-loader) - it's their job. They're going to do it anyhow, so stay safe. BTW, it is also their job to note and  record everything you say, and it can and will be used against you if they so desire.

We have a link here on the site that as a newcomer (welcome to the site, BTW) showing a law school professor and a cop taking the better part of 2 hours to say just exactly that - do not talk to the cops, even as a victim. Even the police Sgt. was saying that it is his job to get you to talk and see if you make confused, contradictory or self-incriminating statements. What's the chance of that in a post-shooting scenario - fear, tired, adrenaline let-down, confusion? I'd say damn near 100%.
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: MikeBjerum on January 01, 2009, 07:04:35 AM
I think I'm talking in the same vein as Michael ...  Great show!  Another batch of information, tips and suggestions to be used along with all other knowledge we have or will gain.  I was at the desk and computer doing work last night, but the new line up of Guardian (by NRA), Best Defense and Shooting Gallery all went well together, and all were very well done.

Thanks for the new show!
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: Rob Pincus on January 01, 2009, 07:54:08 AM
Thanks for all the GREAT feedback guys (positive and negative). I really appreciate anyone watching, let alone watching in enough detail to have good questions. As some of you know reading or listening online, I have a tremendous amount of interest in answering the why? questions, not just stating "what" or "how".

In that interest, and since this is a new forum, I'd like to suggest some guidelines. General comments are great in a thread like this, but trying to address 20 items at once won't work.  If any of you are interested in discussing a specific topic (such as: "Reinforcing Interior Doors " or "What to say when you call 911"), I encourage you to start a specific thread here on this forum. Bandwidth is cheap and it will allow a much more productive discussion.

In general, I will say that some of the items (how to handle the immediate aftermath of a self-defense shooting, for example) are dealt with thoroughly in future shows.  As was pointed out above, no one show/season/channel is really going to be able to cover it all. Obviously, there is more to defensive shooting that E-T-P, but deciding what gets aired is always a pick & choose kind of thing... then pick & choose again... then edit.... then re-edit. What we're left with, hopefully, are little nuggets of information to build upon. One or two or ten concepts or tips per show that someone can take away...that's the plan.

And, of course, I talk fast to try to get more in!   ;D

Happy New Year.

-RJP
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: MikeBjerum on January 01, 2009, 08:05:25 AM
Rob, and others,

Would it be possible to have an area where specific parts from the show could be highlighted.  An example would be Safe Room Construction or Safe Room Equipment?  The area could have a video clip from the show, and a printed list of specifics.  An example of this would be over on Shootingusa.com and their Pro Tips.  I refer to those quite often to help with practice or learning something new ... or just for the fun of it.

Thanks Again

P.S.

Thanks for the new contest/dumb luck drawing!

I've signed up, so you can just drop everything in the mail in the morning  ;)
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: Hazcat on January 01, 2009, 08:44:47 AM
Rob, and others,

Would it be possible to have an area where specific parts from the show could be highlighted.  An example would be Safe Room Construction or Safe Room Equipment?  The area could have a video clip from the show, and a printed list of specifics.  An example of this would be over on Shootingusa.com and their Pro Tips.  I refer to those quite often to help with practice or learning something new ... or just for the fun of it.

Thanks Again

P.S.

Thanks for the new contest/dumb luck drawing!

I've signed up, so you can just drop everything in the mail in the morning  ;)

What "drawing"??
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: CDR on January 01, 2009, 08:58:08 AM
What "drawing"??

This one.......

http://www.downrange.tv/bestdefense/giveaway1.htm
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: Hazcat on January 01, 2009, 09:18:45 AM
Got it.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: xddan on January 01, 2009, 10:33:56 AM
I lie in PA and it takes the state police about 40 minutes to get to my house so any training i can get helps. im always looking for more training so im going to enjoy this season thanks, Dan
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: baershooteer on January 01, 2009, 10:41:17 AM
Great Show! It left me wantiing more.  What are the chances of "The Best Defense" becoming an hour show in the future?
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: Bulldog39 on January 01, 2009, 10:43:46 AM
Great show, can hardly wait till the next one, but I will be busy changing the striker plates and screws plus adding dead-bolts and hinges. I really like the plywood mounting idea for the weapon and light.

Great job again on the show.
 
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: MikeBjerum on January 01, 2009, 10:52:25 AM
What "drawing"??

You've got to read your "New Season & Happy New Year" e-mail from Michael!  However, if you don't and you don't enter it won't hurt my feelings  ;)
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: jnevis on January 01, 2009, 11:45:47 AM
Great show guys!  I missed it the first two times it aired and finally got to see it at 2300 before the wife and kids HAD to watch Dick Clark. 

The wife watched it too and was interested.  She shoots OK but when I mention how to improve the basics it becomes an arguement but watching the show last night and it "clicked."  She wants some professional instruction eventually. 

One thing that might be a stretch but besides home invasion some info on fire prevention/escapes could be worked into it too since some of the same techniques can apply.  Plus basic survival is a pretty good defense if you ask me.

A note about safes that might want to be mentioned: Bolt it to the floor (I'm guilty of not doing it).  Recently a burglary here resulted in the loss of a large rifle collection when the robbers just took the whole safe.  MBs current issue notwithstanding you CAN get into a safe eventually
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: Michael Bane on January 01, 2009, 12:38:09 PM
Thanks, all! I watched Episode 1 again this AM, and I'm still very happy with it (rare, because I'm picky). You'll see the format evolving as we move through the season. On some shows there's more Mike J.; some where Rob takes the lead and a few where I'm doing the lifting. Our intent is always to put the best instructor for the  information presented in front, with the other two supporting.

Our plan is that at the end of 13 episodes of TBD you'll have gone through a very intensive course not just on shooting, but on the reality of personal protection. Then, of course, there's next season, which will continue the course. We had a LOT of discussions on what information to present in which logical sequence. Our tendency was to put in too much information, which led to 45-minute shows (and yes, I lobbied for an hour but was shot down). We also didn't want to present info out of sequence because one of the problems we identified on some other programming was mixed beginner and advanced information presented sequentially — "There's a knock on your door...now here's how to transition to your battle rifle..." We want to keep everyone moving along the same path throughout the season.

TBD's website will be expanding over the course of the season, adding information to enhance each episode.

We'll also be using the information gathered here to build future seasons, so thanks again!

Michael B
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: tombogan03884 on January 01, 2009, 12:40:09 PM
I'm going to ignore your wacky hypothetical scenario. Actually in this case, Tom is not offering sage advice. As I said, there is some basic information you must give officers at the scene. These involve securing evidence, making sure no one else needs medical attention and trying to apprehend fleeing suspects. You should not say anything beyond that, but you do have to tell officers basic safety information they need to secure the scene.

The only information you MUST give to police is that you want your /a lawyer.
Watch the video.

The Law Professor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik

The Cop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08fZQWjDVKE


YOU BETTER WATCH THE DARN VIDEO !  I HUNTED THROUGH OVER 60 PAGES OF FORUM POSTS TO FIND IT !
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: PegLeg45 on January 01, 2009, 01:12:08 PM
What "drawing"??

Napping again, Haz?  ;D



Great show, M, M, & R.

Great info packed into a very watchable show. A lot of folks also probably didn't know the little tid-bit about old cell phones and dialing 911.

I greatly anticipate the rest of the season.

 :)
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: justbill on January 01, 2009, 02:03:15 PM
We also didn't want to present info out of sequence because one of the problems we identified on some other programming was mixed beginner and advanced information presented sequentially — "There's a knock on your door...now here's how to transition to your battle rifle..." We want to keep everyone moving along the same path throughout the season.


This would be especially appreciated if the series is released on DVD. If giving the set as a gift to someone who isn't fully "up to speed," the sequence would mean a lot.
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: DJR910 on January 01, 2009, 04:00:38 PM
Rob/Michael:  I have just finished watching the first episode and I want to congratulate you guys on a great job.  I am a CSI with a PD in the greater Atlanta area and I spend a lot of time working burglaries and home invasions.  I have read all of the various comments and I want to make a few myself.

1:  Burglars ring the door bell and when they don't get an answer because in most instances the victims, who are usually women, say to themselves, "I'm not expecting anybody or I don't want to be bothered so I won't answer the door", they proceed to kick the door in!

2.  Doors are kicked in because they are in 98% of the time "pre-hung" doors.  It doesn't matter if it is a solid door, a metal skin door with a hollow interior or even an interior door hung as an exterior door.  The problem is the PRE-HUNG wood.  It is usually made up of pieces of wood finger joined and glued together and it is generally not nailed or screwed to the 2 X 4 studs, they are just floating in the opening.  Replace the striker side of the pre-hung frame with a solid piece of wood (5/4 deck board or a 2X4 if possible) and then screw it into the closest 2X4 stud and it will be a much more difficult for the burglar to kick in your door.

3.  The Master lock door bars that you used on the sliding glass door are 1000 times better than little hinge pins that are easily bent out of shape.   Also, many, many sliding doors are installed backwards.  That is, the slider portion is outside of the fixed door.  No way to put door bar into use.  I know of one housing area of  about 350 homes and every one of the sliding doors was installed backwards. 

4.  You continuity was a little off.  The female victim used a Master door bar lock to strike the burglar and she entered the bedroom/safe room with it in her hand.  The next shot showed her going around the bed and the door bar was not in sight.  It did not appear that she dropped it, it just disappeared.

5.  Also in the safe room.  The female was on the cell phone reading from a piece of paper and then magically a semi-auto pistol appeared in her hand.  Where did it come from?

I am looking forward to the rest of the series.  Dave 
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: DrFlsGood on January 01, 2009, 04:32:17 PM
Great 1st episode.
 Another idea for the gun mount would be a 90 degree angle bracket with another piece of plywood or plexiglass attaches to side the assembly.  Mount it by sliding the thin side between the matress/boxspring at the headboard or alongside the nightstand.  That way you could acess it, and it would be easily accessable be out of sight.  (depending if children are in the home)
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: Michael Janich on January 01, 2009, 04:39:51 PM
Thanks to everyone for your feedback. I'm very glad that, in general, you all liked what you saw. Although I truly appreciate all the specific questions and comments, time won't allow me/us to respond to every one. Instead, I'd like to offer a some general responses that I hope will help you put the information--and our ability to convey it in the format available--in context:

1. A 30-minute show allows about 22 minutes of actual content. It's impossible to cover all aspects of any worthwhile topic in that timeframe. If we chose one topic--like hardening a safe room door--we could have done a much more complete job in the time allowed and addressed many of the other points you brought up. AND, most of you would have hated it because the topic was too narrow and we only addressed one thing.
2. The amount of footage we shot and the other topics we covered on camera was probably 3-4 times what you saw in the episode. Just because you didn't see something doesn't mean we didn't say it or feel that it's important to the topic at hand.
3. The house that we had available for the shoot was kindly volunteered to us by a production assistant. We didn't get to see it until we arrived there. As such, we had to do the best we could with the resources available. Things like taking cover behind the bed, staying in line with the door, and having a window to your back were by no means optimal, but in that setting, they made the best sense. Take a look at next week's show where we use a different house with more options and address all that stuff in detail.
4. Every house is going to be different and construction methods vary tremendously from one place to another. Specific comments that would make sense for a brick home in New England don't apply well to a frame house in Hawaii. Remember that we're trying to provide good general information that will hopefully help everyone improve their safety. You need to take that information and adapt it to your specific needs and situation.
5. Nice catch on the continuity break. I mentioned that in the first review of the edit and suggested that the "cut" from the hallway scene to the bedroom scene be made later, to imply that maybe she dumped the door bar behind the dresser. The editors did a magnificent job, but I don't always get my way (just ask my wife) and we all do make mistakes.
6. The magically appearing Glock came from a gun safe under the bed. We shot the footage and talked about its positioning, but, rmember, we only have room for 22 minutes of stuff.
7. As for placement of guns and the methods to keep them safe, I clearly state that it's a gray area and must be appropriate for your home layout and the age, maturity and skill of the folks in your family. Compared to the "gun in the nightstand" approach--which we all know is used by many--securing a firearm where it is well hidden but still quickly accessible still makes good sense to me.

I hope these responses help. We realize the limitations imposed by a half-hour show format. That's why Rob and I decided early in the process to partner up on a book project that addresses the topics we cover in season one with a much greater level of detail. We are already deep into the project and, happily, many of the questions and comments you've offered so far are addressed in chapter 1 of that book. Stay tuned here for more information on that title and its availability.

Wishing you all a Happy and Safe New Year.

Cheers,

Mike
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: Majer on January 01, 2009, 08:30:00 PM
The only information you MUST give to police is that you want your /a lawyer.
Watch the video.

The Law Professor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik

The Cop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08fZQWjDVKE


YOU BETTER WATCH THE DARN VIDEO !  I HUNTED THROUGH OVER 60 PAGES OF FORUM POSTS TO FIND IT !

Michael,or Rob... I think these links should be made a "sticky" Topic They offer some very good advise.
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: av8rdude on January 01, 2009, 08:42:05 PM
First off what an awesome show!  I have been waiting anxiously for the season to start.

I'm relatively new to personal firearms, concealed carry, personal security and home security.  But like most things in my life I get obsessed (OCD) and really serious about things I become involved in.  My military career (AF) has given me the basics of firearms and security.  But I never seriously applied it to my family and home life.  Now I carry all the time it's legal and have several weapons and firearms throughout my house.

The female victim used a Master door bar lock to strike the burglar and she entered the bedroom/safe room.  I noticed that after striking the burglar it would have been just as easy to run out the front door.  So here's my question:

In a suburban setting wouldn't it be a better option to escape to a neighbors house instead of retreating into the house?  Even without a weapon it seems safer to be running through the neighborhood than retreating into the house with invaders.  I know there are thousands of situations but I can't imagine the home invaders would chase you if you escape.  Unless they know you personally and are after YOU.  But for a random act of violence it seems that escape would be my families first option.  If we can't escape then I will go to my handgun, carbine, etc.

This is just one of the parts of my home security plan I want to nail down.

Thanks in advance for all the expert advice!
Scott
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: MagpulDynamics on January 01, 2009, 08:56:47 PM
Good job guys, very well done... and great information for all!
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: DavidC77 on January 01, 2009, 09:22:47 PM
Thanks to everyone for your feedback. I'm very glad that, in general, you all liked what you saw.
I hope these responses help. We realize the limitations imposed by a half-hour show format. That's why Rob and I decided early in the process to partner up on a book project that addresses the topics we cover in season one with a much greater level of detail. We are already deep into the project and, happily, many of the questions and comments you've offered so far are addressed in chapter 1 of that book. Stay tuned here for more information on that title and its availability.

Wishing you all a Happy and Safe New Year.

Cheers,

Mike

Thanks Mike, Rob and Michael

It is great to be able to see you guys following up on this and actully responding to us. That fells real good to see that what we are seeing and responding to is not falling on death ears of some show (or someone just trying to make a buck) and that you guys really care about what you are producing and showing to us.

As I said in my other posts thanks for the good show, it is something that is needed out there and as you said you need to tailer to the beginner through expert. I for one liked the show and will be sure to watching it now that I see how much you are all behind it, it's great to see that.

Thanks Again

David

Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: Michael Janich on January 01, 2009, 10:37:42 PM
In a suburban setting wouldn't it be a better option to escape to a neighbors house instead of retreating into the house?  Even without a weapon it seems safer to be running through the neighborhood than retreating into the house with invaders.  I know there are thousands of situations but I can't imagine the home invaders would chase you if you escape.  Unless they know you personally and are after YOU.  But for a random act of violence it seems that escape would be my families first option.  If we can't escape then I will go to my handgun, carbine, etc.

Dear Scott:

Great question. If you consider the full scenario the way it was shown in the context of everything that was shot, that would have been addressed. When I choreographed the scenarios for the first episode, they went in this order:

1. Attacker at front door, escape safely out the back. Learning point = Nothing in your house is worth dying for. The best way of being safe may be to go out another exit, as long as you have a plan once you're out.
2. Attacker at front door, escape out back door, only to be surprised by a second attacker. Learning point = Look before you open the door.
3. Attacker at front door, retreat to safe room. Learning point = If you cannot exit or due to age of physical limitation can't flee quickly, hunker down.
4. Combined scenario--what you saw at the end of the show.

This is what I wanted everyone to see. Based on my background in video production (I founded Paladin Press' video department and ran it for 10 years), I was used to the "run to length" approach. In simple terms, you shoot and include as much video as necessary to present all the information. Broadcast television is very different and there's no way to cover all that in 22 minutes. I'm learning as I go.

The ultimate goal is to provide as much good information to you guys as possible. With that in mind, here's the written outline I did for episode 1. It shows the full scope of what I consider to be the basics of home defense. It will also form the foundation of what I share in the book Rob and I are working on.

The Best Defense against a home invasion is making your home a hard target

a.   Your first priority should be to invest in the external security of your home
•   External lighting and motion-activated lights
•   High-quality, solid doors, deadbolt locks, reinforced strike plates
•   Eliminate or reinforce weak points (i.e. windows in or near front door)
•   Get a dog or create the impression of the presence of one
•   Get an alarm system or create the impression of the presence of one
•   Get to know your neighbors and work with them to support each other’s home defense plans

b.   Make security rules and stick to them
•   ALWAYS lock your doors
•   Don’t open the door for strangers
•   Don’t discuss or share exact details of your home defense plan with anyone outside your family

If someone does manage to gain entry to your home, you need to have plans of action.

a. These should include plans to:
•   Escape out another exit
•   Repel him at the door
•   Withdraw to a predetermined location and fight
•   Retreat to a safe room and barricade

b. These plans should be integrated into a dynamic and flexible flow of tactics

Staging Weapons

a.   Evaluate your family’s level of comfort and responsibility with purpose-designed weapons and make your plans accordingly

b.   Home-defense weapon attributes
•   Instantly accessible
•   Capable of causing serious damage to an attacker
•   Provides reach while being appropriate to the environmental constraints of your house
•   Easy to wield with one hand

c.   Types of staged weapons
•   Environmental improvised weapons (i.e. kitchen knives, frying pans, hammers, screwdrivers, brooms/mops/mop handles, etc.)
•   Pre-positioned less-lethal weapons (i.e. sticks/canes in umbrella stands, OC staged in appropriate places (Velcro above doorways), hardwood dowels in window/door tracks, or anything else that denies unauthorized access while providing high-speed accessibility)
•   Openly displayed “decorative” weapons (make sure they arm you, not the bad guy, and that they are appropriate to the physical constraints of that part of the house
•   Hidden firearms (primarily reserved for safe room(s))

Develop and practice reaction plans for different rooms in the house

a.   Assess your physical skills and condition and your willingness to employ extreme violence

b.   Based on your assessment, develop primary, secondary, and tertiary plans of action, for example:
•   Escape out another exit: Check visually first to ensure you’re not running into an ambush. Have a pre-determined safe rally point outside and away from the house—preferably a neighbor’s house.
•   Deny access: If your physical security is good, you should have considerable warning. You may choose to make your stand at the front door and not allow the attacker entry.
•   Arm yourself and retreat to a defensible choke point on the way to either your safe room or another exit. Use the choke point to funnel the invader to you and fight on your terms.
•   Fight a retreating action as necessary to get to your safe room

Quiz and remind yourself often of your “go-to” weapons in different parts of the house
•   Practice grabbing a weapon and maneuvering to a fighting to exits and safe rooms while “collecting” family members and moving them ahead of you.
•   Identify projectile weapons that you can throw to cover your retreat.
•   Have simple verbal commands to get everyone in the house to immediately follow the plan, i.e. “safe” for retreat to safe room, “fire” or "out" for exit.
•   Stash a weapon in the bathroom as well, in the event an invasion occurs when you are using the facilities or as a last-ditch defense if you are taken hostage.

I hope this helps "fill in the blanks" and gives you an idea of our overall throught process in approaching the topic for episode 1.

Stay safe,

Mike
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: av8rdude on January 02, 2009, 12:14:52 AM
Mike,
Wow...thank you so much for taking the time to respond!  I knew the intent of the episode was to show the retreat to the safe room, etc.  But the video really left an obvious escape out the front door.

Your ideas for improvised weapons really have me thinking.  But luckily I always have my LCP/laser in my pocket even in my pajamas.

Now I just wish our families could move in together and share a structure....but since that isn't going to happen I need to get some training from one of your organizations  :) 

Luckily this great show is providing more training than I could ever get in a normal academic environment.

Keep up the great work and thanks for sharing your expertise!
Scott
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: justbill on January 02, 2009, 10:53:21 AM

Staging Weapons

a.   Evaluate your family’s level of comfort and responsibility with purpose-designed weapons and make your plans accordingly

b.   Home-defense weapon attributes
•   Instantly accessible
•   Capable of causing serious damage to an attacker
•   Provides reach while being appropriate to the environmental constraints of your house
•   Easy to wield with one hand


When families are involved, each person with disparate skill levels, this becomes a big issue. I've done a fair amount of handgun competition and still try to get at least 100-200 rounds of combined handgun/shotgun/rifle practice every month. I'm not exactly "high speed, low drag" but I'm not "low speed, high drag" either. My wife, however, isn't a firearms enthusiast at all despite my best efforts at re-education. But she does understand the need to protect herself and our two small children. I get her to the range about once a year for some refresher training. While I'm confident in my abilities to handle just about any HD weapon, she is only comfortable with a medium frame revolver loaded with .38 Special loads. Considering her level of practice, she's surprisingly effective with that combination out of 25-30 feet. So being a firm believer in the K.I.S.S. principle, the bedside firearm has been a 3" S&W M65 with spare Safariland Comp II speedloader for many years. It's supported by a 12 ga. Remington 870 if I have time to get it. The revolver is fully loaded and in a spot inaccessible to our kids (1 and 3 yrs). The shotgun is unloaded but equipped with a Side Saddle for rapid magazine charging if something goes bump in the night.
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: shooter32 on January 02, 2009, 11:25:07 AM
Watched TBD for the second time with my wife. She loved it. She was interested in seeing the "how to " when your home is entered. At this time in our lives home and self defence has become more of an importance. I'm working two jobs and our youngest will be out of high school in the spring and leaving home soon. Also we no longer have a dog. Which was a big comfort to my wife.

Can't wait to see episode 2
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: tombogan03884 on January 02, 2009, 01:30:45 PM
Dear Scott:

Great question. If you consider the full scenario the way it was shown in the context of everything that was shot, that would have been addressed. When I choreographed the scenarios for the first episode, they went in this order:

1. Attacker at front door, escape safely out the back. Learning point = Nothing in your house is worth dying for. The best way of being safe may be to go out another exit, as long as you have a plan once you're out.
2. Attacker at front door, escape out back door, only to be surprised by a second attacker. Learning point = Look before you open the door.
3. Attacker at front door, retreat to safe room. Learning point = If you cannot exit or due to age of physical limitation can't flee quickly, hunker down.
4. Combined scenario--what you saw at the end of the show.

This is what I wanted everyone to see. Based on my background in video production (I founded Paladin Press' video department and ran it for 10 years), I was used to the "run to length" approach. In simple terms, you shoot and include as much video as necessary to present all the information. Broadcast television is very different and there's no way to cover all that in 22 minutes. I'm learning as I go.

The ultimate goal is to provide as much good information to you guys as possible. With that in mind, here's the written outline I did for episode 1. It shows the full scope of what I consider to be the basics of home defense. It will also form the foundation of what I share in the book Rob and I are working on.

The Best Defense against a home invasion is making your home a hard target

a.   Your first priority should be to invest in the external security of your home
•   External lighting and motion-activated lights
•   High-quality, solid doors, deadbolt locks, reinforced strike plates
•   Eliminate or reinforce weak points (i.e. windows in or near front door)
•   Get a dog or create the impression of the presence of one
•   Get an alarm system or create the impression of the presence of one
•   Get to know your neighbors and work with them to support each other’s home defense plans

b.   Make security rules and stick to them
•   ALWAYS lock your doors
•   Don’t open the door for strangers
•   Don’t discuss or share exact details of your home defense plan with anyone outside your family

If someone does manage to gain entry to your home, you need to have plans of action.

a. These should include plans to:
•   Escape out another exit
•   Repel him at the door
•   Withdraw to a predetermined location and fight
•   Retreat to a safe room and barricade

b. These plans should be integrated into a dynamic and flexible flow of tactics

Staging Weapons

a.   Evaluate your family’s level of comfort and responsibility with purpose-designed weapons and make your plans accordingly

b.   Home-defense weapon attributes
•   Instantly accessible
•   Capable of causing serious damage to an attacker
•   Provides reach while being appropriate to the environmental constraints of your house
•   Easy to wield with one hand

c.   Types of staged weapons
•   Environmental improvised weapons (i.e. kitchen knives, frying pans, hammers, screwdrivers, brooms/mops/mop handles, etc.)
•   Pre-positioned less-lethal weapons (i.e. sticks/canes in umbrella stands, OC staged in appropriate places (Velcro above doorways), hardwood dowels in window/door tracks, or anything else that denies unauthorized access while providing high-speed accessibility)
•   Openly displayed “decorative” weapons (make sure they arm you, not the bad guy, and that they are appropriate to the physical constraints of that part of the house
•   Hidden firearms (primarily reserved for safe room(s))

Develop and practice reaction plans for different rooms in the house

a.   Assess your physical skills and condition and your willingness to employ extreme violence

b.   Based on your assessment, develop primary, secondary, and tertiary plans of action, for example:
•   Escape out another exit: Check visually first to ensure you’re not running into an ambush. Have a pre-determined safe rally point outside and away from the house—preferably a neighbor’s house.
•   Deny access: If your physical security is good, you should have considerable warning. You may choose to make your stand at the front door and not allow the attacker entry.
•   Arm yourself and retreat to a defensible choke point on the way to either your safe room or another exit. Use the choke point to funnel the invader to you and fight on your terms.
•   Fight a retreating action as necessary to get to your safe room

Quiz and remind yourself often of your “go-to” weapons in different parts of the house
•   Practice grabbing a weapon and maneuvering to a fighting to exits and safe rooms while “collecting” family members and moving them ahead of you.
•   Identify projectile weapons that you can throw to cover your retreat.
•   Have simple verbal commands to get everyone in the house to immediately follow the plan, i.e. “safe” for retreat to safe room, “fire” or "out" for exit.
•   Stash a weapon in the bathroom as well, in the event an invasion occurs when you are using the facilities or as a last-ditch defense if you are taken hostage.

I hope this helps "fill in the blanks" and gives you an idea of our overall throught process in approaching the topic for episode 1.

Stay safe,

Mike


This is why the show needs to be an hour ! Since that is not likely to happen, at least this season I hope that you are stressing that people should come here for clarification, or that more in depth information IS available to them.
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: Rob Pincus on January 02, 2009, 03:45:26 PM
As the season went on and it became obvious that not only was the extra information really important, but also that we were confident that we were going to be able to do it, I did mention visiting the website for more information. We are also hoping to be able to work in information about the companion Book into the episodes near the end of the season as they are edited.

-RJP
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: DonWorsham on January 02, 2009, 06:29:11 PM

Some people do carry at all times, including when at home, and only take it off at bedtime. I'm not sure how they handle showers though.  ;D


We have a bathroom gun silly!
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: CDR on January 02, 2009, 06:35:04 PM
We have a bathroom gun silly!

;D

I bet you keep it taped up behind one of them old fashioned "terlits"............you know, the ones with that chain thing.

Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: TAB on January 02, 2009, 10:05:53 PM
I don't know why I didn't think of this before... if you guys have any real world questions about how to go about securing a door, feel free to ask me.  This is something I do for a living.
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: DonWorsham on January 03, 2009, 11:26:28 AM


I bet you keep it taped up behind one of them old fashioned "terlits"............you know, the ones with that chain thing.



CDR, my man! You know I do!
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: CDR on January 03, 2009, 12:10:32 PM
CDR, my man! You know I do!

You.....and Louie's Restaurant in the Bronx.  The best veal in the city.   :)
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: bryand71 on January 03, 2009, 08:01:35 PM
TBD Team,
Great job on episode 1, I can't wait for the rest, gave me some things to reconsider in my home.  I really appreciate the feedback from Mike B., Mike J and Rob P. I don't know of any other shows that you can actually talk to the hosts and get their honest opion on what is going on.

I have to agree with some of the others, the show needs to be an hour at least. If we start complaining to the right people, would it help for future seasons? I also strongly suggest putting this show on DVD or making it available for download, I know I would watch it more than once. I have Mr. Pincus' series of defensive shooitng DVDs at home and plan on watching them more than once, as soon as I get them back from my neighbor.

My question for you is: How do I get my wife who has no interest in guns or self-defense to take our home security and defense more seriously?She asks me why I lock the door when I come home from work and with me working 7 days a week, its mainly her and our 2 children at home alone. I don't know if this is something that can be covered in future episodes in the next season, but I want to keep my faimly safe.
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: tombogan03884 on January 03, 2009, 09:03:19 PM
Tell her she owes it to the kids, they deserve to have a LIVE Mother.
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: Rob Pincus on January 04, 2009, 02:57:25 PM
Bryand71,


Thanks for your thoughts on the show and the DVD Series. It is sometimes hard to get someone to commit to the first step of proper preparation: Recognizing the Need for it !

I think we all hope that at least a few people will tune in to The Best Defense or stop long enough while channel surfing to have their awareness raised to a level that gets them to start thinking about their safety in the first place. Perhaps watching a few episodes will get your wife to start thinking more about safety.

Over the holidays I read The Science of Fear . If your wife read that book she would learn about the way humans tend to rationalize their beliefs about what things are really dangerous. The book makes a very good case for worrying a lot more about wearing your seatbelt and a lot less about what hollowpoints to load your backup gun with. At the same it explains why it is more interesting to talk about the bullet choices and how easy it is to think that the latter issue is a higher priority. While this may sound like the book would steer her away from most of what we talk about here, I think it is more likely to help her focus on issues of safety and security in general and realize that the proper prioritization of fears and concerns is what matters. The obvious little things, such as locking the door, which take virtually no effort relative to the potential benefit should become easy for her to recognize as being worthwhile.

-RJP
Title: Re: Episode 1: Safe at Home
Post by: bryand71 on January 04, 2009, 08:08:42 PM
Rob,
Thanks for the advice. I will check that book out and see if I can get her to watch TBD with me. I still have episode 1 on the DVR.