This will be short as I busted my typing hand.
I don't get SG as my cable co. doesn't carry it and I'm too broke (and cheap) for a dish, but here on the website you guys always seem to harp on the mouseguns. Now "high-tech" rifles are fine (except for AR's which I have no use for, not liking junk), but I want to see REAL rifles! Lets see the FN-FAL's, the PTR-91's and the M-1A's, you know, rifles for real men, not girlymen.
(except for AR's which I have no use for, not liking junk)
INCOMING!! :o
Heck I have an AR-10 (.308), so is that included?
-Bidah
How about these?
http://www.ohioordnanceworks.com/semi-auto/SLR-semi.html
the lack of mass in the fire control parts which adds to the reliability problems.
I also prefer something that kills quickly
The M-16 has been with us for 50 years because of politics! A 50 year legacy of failure and death, of men and women who were injured and killed because their weapons failed when needed most. It makes me want to scream when I hear people defending this weapon. Like when the 507th Maintenance company got tore up (the unit Jessica Lynch was in) and everybody blamed poor weapons maintenance, even though the same thing has been happening since the adoption of the weapon, even though identical problems have occurred with combat units and even Navy Seals and Army Special Forces (and I dare anyone to tell THEM that their problems were due to poor maintenance). It especially grates me when the people criticizing the troops are arm-chair commandos who have never tried keeping an M-16 clean and functioning in the field.
...are more easily jammed by dirt and debris and use lighter springs which themselves are more easily damaged.
The tighter tolerances of the AR trigger system adds greatly to this problem by giving the dirt and fouling nowhere to go and ensuring that even if the parts move the material will rub and scrape causing extra wear and tear on the parts.
They also add weight and bulk to the weapon and are difficult to modify to provide a good crisp trigger pull.
It was also designed to provide MINIMAL penetration against hard and semi-hard targets, like aircraft.
from the light weight to the "better to wound than kill" BS they spouted (that is only true when you are fighting people who medi-vac during the battle, which none of Americas enemies did, then or now).
Even now the military is moving heaven and earth to keep from admitting that the M-16 family of weapons is ill-suited for general purpose use in the field, look at the controversy over the M-4 procurement and how much effort it took to get a simple head to head test against the SCAR and the H&K-416. The military brass is afraid, once again, that they will have to explain why our troops are using the M-16/M-4 when there are much better weapons available.
The M-16 has been with us for 50 years because of politics!
Like when the 507th Maintenance company got tore up (the unit Jessica Lynch was in) and everybody blamed poor weapons maintenance,
Once again, if you have a different opinion, fine. If you've had different experiences (assuming you've had them somewhere other than a nice neat range or your armchair), again, fine. I however have enough knowledge and experience otherwise to have my own opinions and to be willing to defend them against anyone.
Back in the Black Powder days the hydroscopic characteristics of the residue would rust the holy heck out of everything,
If I recall correctly even Clyde Darrow of Bonnie and Clyde fame
Sorry about the mess.
Looks like this warhawk guy just got right in everyones rear end. Bravo! Question: If the 556 is inferior why did other countries produce battle riffles in that caliber subsequent to the ar. (the Galil and AK74)
Warhawke, Do you realize the AR system has been military standard for a bunch of countries for over 40 years. Thats longer than the 03 Springfield, It's more than twice as long as the M 1 Garand and the M-14/M-1A combined. Thats longer than some of our fellow posters have been alive. You may think it's junk but there seems to be alot of people who don't agree with you. :p
Hey, since the M-14 was adopted in 1957 and replaced in 1964 ( 7 years) the M-14 must have been the most useless POS ever built, right?
I've been told exactly that by Marines from the early 60's. You ever read early comments about the Garand ? At Camp Perry they hated it in the 30's, Thats why the Marines on Guadalcanal were issued the Johnson rifle.
WAIT!!!!!!!! The AK-47 has bee around LONGER than the M-16 so it must be the ULTIMATE WEAPON
Do you want to get the Gatling gun into this discussion of Rifles as well ? Dr. Gatling first developed it during the Civil war, First hooked it to an electric motor in the late 1800's and its only been slightly modified since.
I also knew guys in the Marines who could shoot 500 yard bulls all day long from sitting Kneeling and prone positions with the AR. No bench. and that was with general issue M16-a1 off the rack in the late 70's
In the case of the AK74 the Soviets thought they were missing the on micro-calibers and wanted to look just as
As far as the other countries, the early adopters were either getting huge quantities of ammo from us, or our allies (like Israel and South Africa) or they saw the writing on the wall about a forced adoption by NATO. America has always supplied the lions share of ammunition and equipment to NATO and they knew that we would eventually make them adopt the 5.56 as we did in 1979-80.
Personally I think that if we had adopted something like the British .280 or the 7x49mm instead of the 7.62x51 NATO, we might well be using it today. Instead we demanded the 7.62 NATO, offered to adopt the FN-FAL. We reneged on that deal and adopted the M-14, played political games and lied to congress and the SecDef about the cost and production numbers on the '14 and generally screwed the pooch until McNamara slapped the whole system and made them take the M-16.
I think with 50 years of improvements and modifications we would be very happy to go to war with it, I know I would.
At Parris Island we had intense training in how to shoot the AR. Now Reread that, Isaid we had intense training in how to shoot THE AR. A course with some one like Erik SPECIFICLY GEARED TOWARD SHOOTING THE AR, may not change your PREFERANCE, but will PROBABLY give you more respect for the AR. That said ,I still the for military purposes the .223 FMJ stinks.