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Member Section => Tactical Rifle & Carbine => Topic started by: billt on July 30, 2009, 08:27:26 PM
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http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/500-rds-123-gr-762x39-fmj-ammo.aspx?a=556739&pn=1
I guess it's the Arabic lettering that throws me, but would you trust this stuff??? I like the brass case, but the trusting of it as "Non Corrosive" has me wondering. I don't want to bet a good AK on it. You???? Bill T.
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It's new enough I would trust it. WWII surplus is another story.
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Take one round , pull the bullet and dump out the powder, chamber the primed case and fire it at a peice of NON STAINLESS steel (need to have the muzzle with in inches of the steel ) leave it over night, If the primers are corrosive there will be rust spots on the steel.
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where was it made? 90s production does not mean its not corrosive. they still make corrosive ammo in some parts of the world.
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isnt Good AK an oxymoron?
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Take one round , pull the bullet and dump out the powder, chamber the primed case and fire it at a peice of NON STAINLESS steel (need to have the muzzle with in inches of the steel ) leave it over night, If the primers are corrosive there will be rust spots on the steel.
"Acting" as Tom's lawer (and wouldn't THAT be a full time job ;D), wear shop goggles if you do this.
FQ13 who is a left handed shooter with enough powder residue burs to know that its all fun and games until someone loses an eye.
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"Acting" as Tom's lawer (and wouldn't THAT be a full time job ;D), wear shop goggles if you do this.
FQ13 who is a left handed shooter with enough powder residue burs to know that its all fun and games until someone loses an eye.
Acting as FQ's "voice of reality" it's still fun and games to the ones who DIDN'T lose an eye as they get to call him "Blinky".
Yes, the safety glasses were mentioned when I heard this, but I took it for granted and forgot to mention it.
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I don't have to worry about the trust issue.
I'll just be a prejudiced son of a gun and refuse to purchase anything with Arabic writing. It might come from Kuwait, but then again it could just as easily be Iranian.
They can keep that s%$t!!!
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I don't have to worry about the trust issue.
I'll just be a predjudiced son of a gun and refuse to purchase anything with arabic writing. It might come from Kuwait, but then again it could just as easily be Iranian.
They can keep that s%$t!!!
on the other hand it's one less box of ammo they get to use ;D
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I'll just be a predjudiced son of a gun and refuse to purchase anything with arabic writing. It might come from Kuwait, but then again it could just as easily be Iranian.
يموت كلب أمريكا
يموت كلب أمريكا
You can't tell the difference?
;D
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I don't have to worry about the trust issue.
I'll just be a predjudiced son of a gun and refuse to purchase anything with arabic writing. It might come from Kuwait, but then again it could just as easily be Iranian.
They can keep that s%$t!!!
Thing is kid, there are thousands of American vets who found out the hard way that the stuff works. I'm all in favor of buying American, but I don't see much difference between Arab made stuff and buying Chinese Norinco or Russian Wolf or Bear. :-\
FQ13 Who has an AR and has to spend more for US ammo
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Thing is kid, there are thousands of American vets who found out the hard way that the stuff works. I'm all in favor of buying American, but I don't see much difference between Arab made stuff and buying Chinese Norinco or Russian Wolf or Bear. :-\
FQ13 Who has an AR and has to spend more for US ammo
I don't buy Norinco, Wolf or Bear either. I just prefer the reliability and known manufacturing standards of American ammunition.
Regarding the unknown Arabic ammo, I would not trust any ammo that I know absolutely nothing about. I'd rather pay a few bucks more for a known product with known reliability.
I know that it's not PC to show outright prejudice, but I would hate for my money to help out Hamas, Hezbollah or Al Quaeda.
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I don't buy Norinco, Wolf or Bear either. I just prefer the reliability and known manufacturing standards of American ammunition.
Regarding the unknown Arabic ammo, I would not trust any ammo that I know absolutely nothing about. I'd rather pay a few bucks more for a known product with known reliability.
I know that it's not PC to show outright prejudice, but I would hate for my money to help out Hamas, Hezbollah or Al Quaeda.
Kid, I could have not put it any better. Especially about the Hamas, Hezbollah part. I won't even watch anything from Al-Jazzera. I'll drop the extra dollars and pay for AMERICAN ammunition. I would rather see my money go to help heat a home of a Federal employee in Minnesota, than feed some Arabic kid living God knows where, who will grow up to be tomorrow's next suicide bomber. I'm sorry but that's just the way I feel. The more I looked at that ammo, the more I grew to hate it! Forgive me, I found it 3 beers after work, sifting through all of my E-Mails. Bill T.
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Good call on the buying American. Sometimes you just can't do it (do we even make TVs post Zenith)? Sometimes the foreign stuff is better (like say, Glocks ;D). But when all things are more or less equal as with ammo, pay the extra bucks for American and know that you're not wasting money as it will be spent and taxed in this country so the price difference becomes negligable.
FQ13
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Some one once told me that on a lot of foriegn ammo that if it is not advertized as noncorrosive it probably is corrosive.
Tom, thanks for the input on how to check.
There is also a section here about cleaning after using corrosive ammo. It is in the F.A.Q. section about half way down on the left.
http://www.empirearms.com/
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The catalog says it's non-corrosive and I've never known them to flat out lie. I believe it is non-corrosive.
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I really dont care for shit not made in the USA. >:(
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I really dont care for shit not made in the USA. >:(
Wait! Don't you like Glocks and AK's? ;D
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For me there's a big difference in "not being made in the USA", and being made in some foreign Arabic land, of which they probably hate the United States, and would love to see us attacked again. Bill T.
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For me there's a big difference in "not being made in the USA", and being made in some foreign Arabic land, of which they probably hate the United States, and would love to see us attacked again. Bill T.
Good Point !! I Agree..... There is a HUGE difference between comparing Glock, Browning, Sig, Taurus or any other foreign company to this stuff.
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Good Point !! I Agree..... There is a HUGE difference between comparing Glock, Browning, Sig, Taurus or any other foreign company to this stuff.
Sig is NOT a foreign company. The Exeter NH factory bought out the parent Swiss company a couple years ago, Browning, headquartered in Ogden Utah, is only foreign if you think the Mormons are still independent , Taurus and Glock, while foreign owned both have plants in the US.
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Quit it you know what i mean. I dont like that Haji shit.
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Sig is NOT a foreign company. The Exeter NH factory bought out the parent Swiss company a couple years ago, Browning, headquartered in Ogden Utah, is only foreign if you think the Mormons are still independent , Taurus and Glock, while foreign owned both have plants in the US.
http://sigsauer.com/AboutUs/Management.aspx
"The Swiss Industrial Group (SIG) sold SIGARMS® in October 2000, to Michael Lüke and Thomas Ortmeier, two German entrepreneurs. Mr. Lüke and Mr. Ortmeier, both successful in the industrial textile industry, were looking to expand into new business sectors. Their new ownership has provided SIG SAUER with a renewed sense of pride and ownership that is reflected in our commitment to our customers, suppliers and shareholders."
According to their web site, it is a German Owned company. Sorry Tom.
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http://www.sigsauer.com/AboutUs/Default.aspx
SIG SAUER® world renowned firearms are the weapons of choice for many of the premier global military, law enforcement and commercial users. High quality, ultimate reliability and unmatched performance have always been hallmarks of the SIG SAUER brand. In the USA, nearly 1 in 3 law enforcement professionals use SIG SAUER firearms. “We are proud that many elite military and government forces including the U.S. Navy Seals, the Federal Air Marshals, the Department of Homeland Security and the U. S. Coast Guard carry SIG SAUER firearms”, said Ron Cohen, President and CEO of SIG SAUER.
Headquartered in Exeter, New Hampshire, SIG SAUER is an ISO 9001 certified company with over 280 employees. It is the largest member of a worldwide business group of firearms manufacturers that includes J.P. Sauer & Sohn and Blaser, Gmbh. in Germany and Swiss Arms AG in Switzerland. This global network of companies gives SIG SAUER a world-class firearms knowledge base, unparalleled design expertise, and extensive manufacturing capacity, enabling the company to respond quickly and effectively to changing market conditions and the needs of its military, law enforcement, and commercial markets worldwide.
http://www.sigsauer.com/AboutUs/History.aspx
Besides importing the SIG Sauer line of pistols, SIGARMS offered customer service from highly qualified gunsmiths in the reputable service department and state-of-the-art training at a separate training facility on 128 acres in Epping, New Hampshire. SIGARMS continued to expand its firearm lines with the Sauer rifle line and the Hämmerli line of target pistols and rifles. In 1998, SIGARMS brought in the first shotgun line designed specifically for SIGARMS by B. Rizzini of Italy. The next year, the revolutionary Blaser R93 rifle line from Isny, Germany, was distributed nationwide through SIGARMS.
In 2001, SIGARMS, Inc. continued to expand its role in the firearms market with new contracts in the law enforcement market as well as new products for the civilian market. The SIGARMS Training Academy has added many new courses at its Epping, New Hampshire location for both civilian and law enforcement personnel. Besides a new apparel line and efforts to reach a broader market, SIGARMS will continue its role in educating people in the safety and use of firearms, while offering to the public the highest quality products and services found in the firearms industry.
On October 1, 2007 SIGARMS changed its name to SIG SAUER®. The change reflects the vast worldwide growth in demand for SIG SAUER products. In response, the company has more than tripled its work force in the past 30 months, invested 18 million US dollars in state-of-the-art manufacturing facilities and equipment, and significantly expanded its engineering base. The name change, coupled with major new product introductions in pistols and rifles, reflects the continued commitment to the high standards of production, service and innovation the SIG SAUER brand has always represented.
Today, SIG SAUER is an ISO 9001 certified company with over 280 employees. It is the largest member of a worldwide business group of firearms manufacturers that includes J.P. Sauer & Sohn and Blaser, Gmbh. in Germany and Swiss Arms AG in Switzerland. This global network of companies gives SIG SAUER a world-class firearms knowledge base, unparalleled design expertise, and extensive manufacturing capacity, enabling the company to respond quickly and effectively to changing market conditions and the needs of its military, law enforcement, and commercial markets worldwide.
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Sorry Tom but the company is owned by Michael Lüke and Thomas Ortmeier. Two German textile entrepreneurs.
http://www.sigsauer.com/AboutUs/Management.aspx
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I'm not knocking QUALITY foreign made products that are proven, like the firearms companies we mentioned above, I'm
just saying that there is a HUGE difference between QUALITY and JUNK, either foreign or domestic. I'm a fan of both foreign and domestic QUALITY firearms. Someone had lumped everything into EITHER foreign OR domestic. I would say you could do a lot better than middle east produced ammo. (I would certainly hope so anyway).
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Sig pistols and their AR are American made by American workers. I've toured the shop and had friends who worked there
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Sig pistols and their AR are American made by American workers. I've toured the shop and had friends who worked there
My Sig556 is stamped Exeter, NH. Even my new "G" gun has New Smyrna, GA. on it. I don't want to get in a "pissing contest" over all the GREAT firearms listed in previous posts...and where their designed vs. where their built.
Your GM, Ford, Dodge trucks, have electrical harnesses that say Hencho en Mexico,... Volvo marine engines are the utmost in international components. It's a Ford block, with Swedish Technology, Japanese harnesses, assembled in Mexico, and sold in the US.
Back to the OP, foreign ammo works for some, and not for others,...I don't shoot Wolf in my 5.56, it sucks. Everything else works all day... For others, the Wolf, Prvi-Partizan, Bear, S&B, whatever,.... ,may work flawlessly.. Great... Keep Rockin.
I have tried them, and stick with what works, which is the old standby American ammo. Although Norma makes THE 7.65x54 Mauser round... it's also $40.00 for 20 rds...
I have Milsurp non-berdan primed 187gr BTFMJ for the same rifle manufactured in 1981, it has yet to "F' up for me, and punches clean holes in 1/4" metal plate.
So it goes,.... If it works use it, Col. Jeff Cooper loved S. African ball ammo when it was a dime a dozen... and advised us to stock up. I agree with the Col.
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Hencho en Mexico
Hecho en Mexico. ;D
But I would prefer a Dodge or a Ford any day of the week, but I would take a Jeep over anything on Earth!!! ;)
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Back in line with the original topic, my uncle once told me, "Go ahead, shoot the cheaper corrosive stuff in the Garand. Just make sure to finish your day by putting a box or two of the good stuff through it clear out the corrosive."
Being as it was his Garand I was shooting, I didn't have an issue with that advice.
I've always meant to ask here if it was good advice, or wishful thinking.
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it might remove some of the salts, but it won't get all of them.
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Back in line with the original topic, my uncle once told me, "Go ahead, shoot the cheaper corrosive stuff in the Garand. Just make sure to finish your day by putting a box or two of the good stuff through it clear out the corrosive."
Being as it was his Garand I was shooting, I didn't have an issue with that advice.
I've always meant to ask here if it was good advice, or wishful thinking.
Wishful thinking.
And if TAB and I BOTH say basically the same thing it HAS to be true ;D
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Wishful thinking.
And if TAB and I BOTH say basically the same thing it HAS to be true ;D
...or hell has frozen over! lol