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Re: Packing in public: Owners not gun-shy
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2008, 03:15:35 PM »
Yeah, but it is FUNNY now!  ;D
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« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2008, 03:42:39 PM »
Here in Ravenna (Northeastern Ohio near Akron) a local resident driving a car with out of state plates accidently flashed and was reported.  He was stopped and surrounded by officers from 3 departments.  He and his passangers were forced to lay on the ground in wet slushy snow before the situation was resolved.  No charges filed but a bad situation especially if no one knows who is in charge and conflicting instructions are given.  That is why I am very careful!!!!!!

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Re: Packing in public: Owners not gun-shy
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2008, 03:46:04 PM »
In thinking more about this topic today, it seems like carrying  a gun exposed and chamber empty does nothing for self defense, more like showing off or trying to look important, or like an LEO.
Even if NYS allowed open carry, I don't think I would do it, mostly because I don't like attracting attention, and that really would attract attention.
The idea makes me uncomfortable.

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Re: Packing in public: Owners not gun-shy
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2008, 05:28:55 PM »

might want to read this article and what can happen when exposed

Exposure Equals Big Trouble 
Accidentally exposing your concealed handgun can leave you wishing for less excitement in your life. 
 

By Don Myers
From Concealed Carry Magazine, July 2006


Accidentally exposing your concealed handgun can leave you wishing for less excitement in your life.



People need to get used to the idea these incidents are not just about guns they are about EVERYTHING.

This government, Federal, State, and Local is about a half step away from completely feral.

My favorite tale of lunatic government from way back. In fact, I may try to track it down on the wayback machine and post on my blog.

EVERYTHING about this story is completely nuts. Everything.


Enjoy........................................

THE STRANGE CASE OF GIL MCGILLICUDDY

What is it with law enforcement and family pets? Ruby Ridge started when Ninja Clad Warrior Wannabes shot the family dog and initiated a firefight with Randy Weaver’s son. In Santa Clarita James Beck was worried the BATF would injure his dog. While this North Carolina case does not rise to the level of pathos of these other cases, it is oddly resonant of the mindset of modern law enforcement. The names have been changed to protect the guilty because God knows the dog has suffered enough.

After almost exactly one hundred days Gil McGillicuddy’s (not his real name) dog was returned to him.

The dog, Cuddles, (not her real name) was imprisoned for three months in the Cornucopia County Animal Shelter (not a real North Carolina County) at the direction of one Cornucopia County Deputy Sheriff Brassbadge (not his real name) as part of an aggressive animal abuse investigation.

McGillicuddy’s trip through Alice’s Looking Glass began at twilight on Saturday evening April 21st 2001 when he peered through the window of his mobile home and was surprised to see three uniformed Cornucopia County Sheriff Deputies standing in his front yard each of whom had arrived in a separate vehicle.

Gil, a house painter of modest means lived by himself with his dog in a rural area out toward the county line. He generally did not bother anyone and usually no one bothered him. So naturally he was congenial and cooperative when the Deputies arrived. Initially he figured they had mistaken his mobile home for the mobile home across the drainage ditch and down the road, an address that generated numerous nuisance 911 calls.

In fact, they were there to question him in response to an anonymous tip that a dog was yelping in pain as a result of a beating at his address.

Gil, not the sharpest knife in the drawer, allowed that he and dog had cavorted around in the front yard for a few minutes earlier in the evening prior to going inside the house. He also brought out the dog to demonstrate the cheerful demeanor and good health she enjoyed in his custody.

For whatever reason this was considered by Deputy Brassbadge to be tantamount to a confession of animal abuse and Gil was summarily handcuffed and thrown into the back of a police cruiser.

Cuddles, a beagle/border collie mix whose only crime in the presence of strangers was to attempt to stamp a clear set of muddy paw prints on every crisply starched shirt possible was thrown into a second police cruiser and the two partners in crime were whisked downtown for processing.

Convinced this was a terrible mistake that would be quickly corrected McGillicuddy patiently awaited his turn to speak to the processing Magistrate.

The Magistrate was moved to tears when he read the charge against McGillicuddy, possibly because of the official grammar.

Deputy Brassbadge used a North Carolina Uniform Citation ticket to charge McGillicuddy with his violation. The North Carolina Uniform Citation lists over a dozen possible traffic offenses and provides a blank category for an arresting officer to fill in with some other offense should circumstances warrant.

So the text of the actual charge presented to the court read as follows: “ The undersigned officer has probable cause to believe that on or about Saturday 2030 PM the 21th day of April 2001 in the named county the defendant did unlawfully and willfully operate a (motor) vehicle on a 14. did beat him dog by kicking him in the dog and around the head with his hand, and did pick up dog throw him out the front door this Abuse is in violation of GS”

McGillicuddy spent the rest of Saturday night in the Cornucopia County Jail and posted bail early Sunday morning.

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while and Gil was now convinced it might be wise to locate evidence with which to defend himself in court.

It did not require much effort or trouble to locate material favorable to his case.

The Cornucopia Animal Shelter manager was a veteran of a number of horrible animal abuse cases and she was amazed to receive custody of Cuddles as part of an abuse investigation.

She wrote the following letter for McGillicuddy’s benefit in crisp clear longhand:

To Whom It May Concern: Cuddle’s condition when she arrived at the Cornucopia County Animal Shelter was excellent. She is well groomed, happy and healthy. She does not appear to have been abused or neglected. She is very energetic and a wonderful dog. Sincerely, (name) (phone)

In addition, using the resources of the modern Internet McGillicuddy quickly found the North Carolina General Statutes relating to animal abuse-an entire Chapter (19 A) with 5 Articles and some several hundred paragraphs which included Article 4 - Animal Cruelty Investigators.

Article 4 listed the requirements for animal abuse investigations very clearly and specifically. The Cornucopia County Sheriff did not meet a single listed condition in McGillicuddy’s case.

Among other requirements an Animal Cruelty Investigator is a completely separate listed position independent of any law enforcement organization with specific rigorous training requirements. Only an Animal Cruelty Investigator can initiate an abuse investigation and only upon a sworn complaint filed with the court BEFORE taking custody of an abused animal. Forcible entry investigations must be conducted only during daylight hours-and on and on and on.

Confident his case would be quickly resolved Gil now patiently awaited his court date in the first week of June. He even took pictures of his property from the road to demonstrate that the foliage would have made it impossible for anyone to witness any abuse even if they were trespassing.

He visited the incarcerated Cuddles as often as his schedule would allow him to make the trip across the county to the shelter; usually at least twice a week.

The appointed day arrived. Gil dressed in the suit he wore to weddings and funerals and assembled his defense papers into a neat new manila folder and made his way downtown to the Courthouse.

His turn in the crowded court docket finally came. The Judge harrumphed when he saw the case file and looked over his glasses at the young Assistant District Attorney and in turn looked at Officer Brassbadge and finally at Gil who appeared before the Court in his own defense. The three parties were instructed to approach and Gil listened in amazement as the DA and the Deputy Sheriff explained this case could only be prosecuted with the complaining witnesses present. The Judge looked at Gil and ordered the case continued. The new court date would be the first week of July.

Amazed he was not allowed to present his evidence or get the case dismissed Gil left with a heavy heart and the loss of one day’s pay from his job.

The July court appearance involved a different Judge and a different Assistant District Attorney. This Judge appeared sympathetic when Gil somewhat passionately argued that this was his second appearance before the court on a frivolous case and he would like a resolution to the situation.

The Judge agreed that if the witnesses did not appear at the third hearing the case would be automatically dismissed. Case continued. The next court date would be the first week of August. Gil was out another day’s pay.

On the appointed day in August the somewhat weary McGillicuddy appeared before yet another Judge with yet another Assistant District Attorney prosecuting his case. Deputy Sheriff Brassbadge appeared wearing civilian clothes. He had just been promoted to Plain Clothes duty in the Sheriff’s Department. The atmosphere of the court was almost jovial. There were no prosecution witnesses anywhere to be seen.

The Judge, a silver haired veteran of the Cornucopia County Courthouse struck a stern posture behind the bench.

“ An awful lot of red ink in this file folder Madame District Attorney.”

“Yes, your honor”

“ Are your witnesses present?”

“No, your honor”

“Officer Brassbadge were the subpoenas properly served?”

“As well as possible within the limits of time and available personnel your honor.”

“You realize I have no choice but to dismiss this case.”

“Yes your honor”

Gil was stunned. There would no opportunity to present his evidence and clear his name. Worse, he was now out three days pay and liable for the boarding fees for Cuddles with no clear resolution to his long ordeal.

“Your honor, I wish to enter my evidence into the record.”

“Sir, your case is dismissed and the matter is settled.”

A cheerful Officer Brassbadge presented McGillicuddy with the papers he would need to take custody of his dog. Gill drove across the county to the Animal Shelter and was allowed to donate $55.00 to the shelter in lieu of the $800.00 boarding fee he was technically indebted to pay.

Cuddles was pleased to receive a thorough bath, her first in a hundred days, and to run in her own backyard free of the confined cage standard to animal shelters everywhere.

Asked to sum up his ordeal Gil had this to say: “I’m sure as hell not opening the door the next time any Deputies show up in my front yard.” “They are going to have to drag me out kicking and screaming”

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Re: Packing in public: Owners not gun-shy
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2008, 05:34:24 PM »
Open carry is a double edge sword. I carry open when I go to and from work . I conceal if I go into a crowded place. IMO it does make you the 1st target if people have bad intentions,. I exercise my rights in a way that keeps me safe, OBTW I carry 'appendix" and could never be mistaken for LEO.
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Re: Packing in public: Owners not gun-shy
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2008, 06:22:21 PM »
I was "made" by a couple of cops packing-----my cell phone in a hip holster under my tee shirt.
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Re: Packing in public: Owners not gun-shy
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2008, 07:29:13 PM »
Given the choice, I would still carry concealed. Too many people in todays society are not ready for open carry. There are too many misconceptions.

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IMO it does make you the 1st target if people have bad intentions

Thats very true. If I were a bad guy going to go into a place and shoot it up, the first thing I would do is have a look around and then take out the guy with the gun first.
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Re: Packing in public: Owners not gun-shy
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2008, 09:58:03 PM »
Perfectly legal to open carry in my state. A couple of restrictions for a city in the first class(Philly requires a LTCF). Most Local Police have a problem with it. But that's their problem. Open carry was common place 100 years ago and no one took offence. Those that carried concealed where considered to be shady or have criminal intent. In this world of political correctness we are to worried how a person feels or their conception of things and how your actions effect them. I personally do not care what others think if it's legal I will do it. Every once in a while some one has to step out of the so called box if I am that person so be it what gives others the idea that they have more rights than others based on how they feel. I have feelings every day and they are mine alone unless I wish to share them with others. Notice the wording of the last sentence I explicitly said share not force my opinion or will on another. There for giving them the right to make their own choice not my choice. That is what a free society is all about not  restricting the rights of others based on feelings or fear of others.

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Re: Packing in public: Owners not gun-shy
« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2008, 10:55:30 PM »
I had my 9mm in my outside belt holster and I forgot and jumped out of my truck.. went into our Quick Trip out on the highway..( which had a few people inside...  " bought some stuff"..left and got in my truck.. forgot ice and went back in to tell them I was getting some ice and I noticed a lady ( from out of town..not a local) starring at me. I smiled and said something to her..and she was just staring at my waist.. and then I realized I had my gold and stainless 'boyfriend" with me.
I just smiled once more at here and  left and wondered that the poor woman must have thought she was trapped in "Redneck America".. No one else thought a thing about it.. LOL

Love this small rural town..  :)
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Re: Packing in public: Owners not gun-shy
« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2008, 11:02:52 PM »
I had my 9mm in my outside belt holster and I forgot and jumped out of my truck.. went into our Quick Trip out on the highway..( which had a few people inside...  " bought some stuff"..left and got in my truck.. forgot ice and went back in to tell them I was getting some ice and I noticed a lady ( from out of town..not a local) starring at me. I smiled and said something to her..and she was just staring at my waist.. and then I realized I had my gold and stainless 'boyfriend" with me.
I just smiled once more at here and  left and wondered that the poor woman must have thought she was trapped in "Redneck America".. No one else thought a thing about it.. LOL

Love this small rural town..  :)

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