A phrase that lots of gun owners use that just pisses me off..

[TAB]

Texas has the 30.06 law( I swear they planed that)


basicly if you are given notice, rather verbel or a regulated sign... and you go in its a misdemeaner.

I actually think its a good law.

What gets me is I have seen posts on the internet about shops having signs that do not comply with the law... asking people to CCW in that store, just to make a statement.   Those are the kinds of people that should not have a CCW.  Just like there are those among us( gun owners) that intentionally OC just to get a reaction out of people.

[Hazcat]

In CA you can refuse service as well as access, to your place of biz...( other life saving medical treatment)   for pretty much any reason.


Now having a sign saying " no blacks"  is going to get you in a world of hurt, but asking them to leave is fine.  you are also allowed to restrict any object.(unless there is a law that says... you must wear this)   for example I could make a rule that to enter my shop you have to be naked... I would just have to restrict those that can not be in that envroment( minors)


I should also point out that you still have to meet the ADA stuff and have access, but thats a civil matter... and the only real protected class these days.

You consider having to treat all people equal a 'jacked up law'?  Here in FL businesses can post on dress such as no masks, hats or sunglasses.  Banks and convenience stores often post these.  Once again it is for safety not to discriminate.  FL had the woman that wanted her license picture taken in full burka (sp) only showing her eyes and that was stopped.  Once again for a good reason (how can you ID someone you can't see).  So pretty much if your in business you must serve the whole of the public with reasonable restrictions (adult, etc) and I think that is a good thing.

[ericire12]

Yes.

Marshal'ette-

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[ericire12]

In my neck of the woods (SC) any business can get a "No Guns" sign from SLED (SC Law enforcement division) and post it on their door and super cede your right to carry. It basically puts it on the same level of criminality as carrying into a post office!

There is a state level, NRA-like organization here that does a great deal for us CWP holders in this state. They are called Grass Roots (http://www.scfirearms.org/).

If you report a business to them that has posted a "No Guns" sign they will essentially hound them relentlessly until they take it down. They will contact the business and inform them that they have contacted the tens of thousands of members in our state and have informed them that it is no longer safe to visit their establishment. They will badger them about how much revenue they are losing and so on..... Consequently, I have been carrying for almost a year now and have yet to see a business with a sign posted - and I travel the entire state on a regular basis.

[Ron J]

Way I understand it is that one needs to respect the law and the wishes of their employer and/or that of a property owner.  If in your state an employer or place of business can say no guns … that means no guns.  Failure to comply puts the person carrying the gun in the same dirt bag with others who think they are above the law or above the wishes of a property owner. 

Should one disagree and feel that they need their S&W 642 in their pocket to feel safe, then you have a choice of not working there or not giving said establishment your patronage. 

As to being an employee where there is a gun ban, your employer has a legal obligation to protect their employees and this cuts both ways. 

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[tombogan03884]

Haz makes a good point here...
Properties that invite the public in (businesses etc.) fall under different regulations for building codes, etc. They are considered public and must provide for the public with such as barrier free access, hand rails, etc.  The fact that they DO invite the public in restricts their rights as private property owners in many ways, and it could be argued that in such places the rights of the public supersede those of the property owner.
But I'm a jackass, not a lawyer. Wait...they're the same thing...OK I'm a...this will take awhile....

Dispite TAB's delusion it also leaves the business open to liability law suits.

[tombogan03884]

In CA you can refuse service as well as access, to your place of biz...( other life saving medical treatment)   for pretty much any reason.


Now having a sign saying " no blacks"  is going to get you in a world of hurt, but asking them to leave is fine.  you are also allowed to restrict any object.(unless there is a law that says... you must wear this)   for example I could make a rule that to enter my shop you have to be naked... I would just have to restrict those that can not be in that envroment( minors)


I should also point out that you still have to meet the ADA stuff and have access, but thats a civil matter... and the only real protected class these days.

Take a lot more restrictions than that     You say that it should be at least a ticket offense but you would scream like a b!tch if you received the same penalty for no shoes or no shirt. You are so heavily out numbered and out reasoned here I find it curious that you continue. Have you been drinking San Francisco water ?   

[Solus]

Somehow I think that if you had employees sign a contract where they agreed that as a non-White Male employees they would be paid 20% less for the same work than White Male employees you would be facing right violation charges soon. 

And since we cannot handle different rights in different ways, it would seem that violating an employee's 2nd Amendment Rights would need to be treated the same, even if they signed a contract allowing such infringement.

Many employers restrict firearms possession in private vehicles in company parking lots.  This will negate your right to self protection on your way to and from work at least.

As far as legal goes, my shooting range is located so that I would have to drive through a half mile stretch of a city that had restrictions on having loaded firearms.  The drive through this city took me past a 5 story clock/bell tower and I often asked my self what would I do if, as I passed the tower, a whacko started shooting folks from atop the tower. 

Since stopping this act would be an easy shot with the skill I have with the rifles I carried, I somehow don't think I would have been able to say...Illegal is Illegal...I'll just drink my coffee till the traffic clears...

[ericire12]

Dispite TAB's delusion it also leaves the business open to liability law suits.

Do you know of any?

[Teresa Heilevang]

Somehow I think that if you had employees sign a contract where they agreed that as a non-White Male employees they would be paid 20% less for the same work than White Male employees you would be facing right violation charges soon. 

And since we cannot handle different rights in different ways, it would seem that violating an employee's 2nd Amendment Rights would need to be treated the same, even if they signed a contract allowing such infringement.

Many employers restrict firearms possession in private vehicles in company parking lots.  This will negate your right to self protection on your way to and from work at least.

As far as legal goes, my shooting range is located so that I would have to drive through a half mile stretch of a city that had restrictions on having loaded firearms.  The drive through this city took me past a 5 story clock/bell tower and I often asked my self what would I do if, as I passed the tower, a whacko started shooting folks from atop the tower. 

Since stopping this act would be an easy shot with the skill I have with the rifles I carried, I somehow don't think I would have been able to say...Illegal is Illegal...I'll just drink my coffee till the traffic clears...

*whispering**~~~
Solus..............................I agree....
 


**(((M'Ette... who is slinking off to her corner, hoping no one notices I was up)))**

Marshal'ette-

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