A phrase that lots of gun owners use that just pisses me off..

[TAB]

Concealed means concealed

This line really ticks me off.   Not only is is breaking the law, but its also violating another persons rights( as a prop owner).

Lots of us gun owners are all about "our" rights, maybe we need to pull our head from are butts and realize that other people have rights too.  i won't even get into the whole breaking the law aspect.

[DonWorsham]

TAB,

I'm not sure I'm following your post. Are you saying that property owners have the right to say no guns allowed yet those with carry permits are saying well it is concealed so the property owner will not know? Basically you are saying carry permit holders should obey the law(s) and only carry where it is legal.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[TAB]

i'm saying far too many gun owners   are knowingly and willingly breaking the law and violating others rights... but its ok since no one knows about it.

( the last part is sarcasm)

[TexGun]

TAB, I agree...

Those are the folks that the press just loves to get ahold of.  Unfortunately, willful disobedience is not tolerated as well when it involves a gun.  That being said, I will lead the charge to help change laws I don't agree with.

[TAB]

Changing laws you don't agree with, is a very good thing.   saying this law is illegal( alteast in your mind)  I just won't fallow it.  The hell with anyone else, its all about me.   hypocrisy, and disregaurd for other is one of the few things people do that really make my blood boil.

[Sponsor]

[Pathfinder]

Changing laws you don't agree with, is a very good thing.   saying this law is illegal( alteast in your mind)  I just won't fallow it.  The hell with anyone else, its all about me.   hypocrisy, and disregaurd for other is one of the few things people do that really make my blood boil.

OK, here's a real world example. The state of North Dakota has in paragraph 1 of Section 1 of Article 1 of the State Constitution the following phrase:

Section 1. All individuals are by nature equally free and independent and have certain inalienable rights, among which are those of enjoying and defending life and liberty; acquiring, possessing and protecting property and reputation; pursuing and obtaining safety and happiness; and to keep and bear arms for the defense of their person, family, property, and the state, and for lawful hunting, recreational, and other lawful purposes, which shall not be infringed.

So here's the question - the company I work for has a "policy" that says no firearms may be brought on the company's property. Given the clarity of the Constitution, which makes no provision for being able to circumvent this Section, does the company's "rights" include denying me mine?

In your mind, am I thus prevented from a concealed carry on company premises, even though I have a legally obtained CCW permit, thereby trumping Constitutionally recognized rights by a simple corporate "policy"?

Remember, corporate policy is not law - I cannot pass a policy that discriminates against women or African-Americans, I cannot pass a policy saying smoke all you want if the local law outlaws smoking.

Does a business have more rights than a person?

Does a business even have rights, or are rights reserved for human beings?

[TAB]

They are not denying you your rights... you are going there BY CHOICE.  you don't have to go there.    They are allowing you to come on too thier properity...

If you allow some one into your home, do you expect them to fallow your rules? 

most companys that have a no weapons policy are not anti or pro... they are just trying to stay in biz.   Also most every single comp policy I have ever seen states very clearly no weapons.

[Swamp Yankee]

As far as I understand it they actually have no right to deny a person carrying concealed or open. State law at least in my state supersedes it. If they happen to spot the firearm they can ask you to leave which you have to comply with or be charged with trespass. But like it was stated earlier concealed is just that they have no right to know.


Mike Mc

[black jack]

I think we're getting into the area of "free speech does not give you the right to yell FIRE in a crowded theater." Laws pertain to public property. Private property is different and some laws can be circumvented in favor of the rights of the property owner. I can carry a loaded gun on my property but not at a public park. The law protects my rights on my property as well as your rights off my property. I can control who comes onto my property and what they bring with them. No, I cannot compel you to reveal your concealed weapon, but I can dang sure compel you to leave if I have posted a no weapons order and you violate it. Because in doing so, you have violated my rights. Who's rights are paramount? The property owners. Whether it's my home or somebody's place of business, it's private property, and there is nothing more sacred in a free country including my right to keep and bear arms.

[ericire12]

As far as I understand it they actually have no right to deny a person carrying concealed or open. State law at least in my state supersedes it. If they happen to spot the firearm they can ask you to leave which you have to comply with or be charged with trespass. But like it was stated earlier concealed is just that they have no right to know.


Mike Mc

If only it were that easy.