A phrase that lots of gun owners use that just pisses me off..

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What about all the people that have lost everything after thier company went belly up do to increases in Insurance?    What about the people that lost everything becuase thier insurace did not cover them, becuase an employee violated company policy?

Its very simple, you have a choice, don't go there, don't bring your gun there, or break the law.

[ericire12]

What about all the people that have lost everything after thier company went belly up do to increases in Insurance?    What about the people that lost everything becuase thier insurace did not cover them, becuase an employee violated company policy?

Its very simple, you have a choice, don't go there, don't bring your gun there, or break the law.

I'm sorry, but I don't understand exactly what insurance rates have to do with this?

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I'm sorry, but I don't understand exactly what insurance rates have to do with this?

When you run a biz, every thing will become comply clear.

I took in almost 1.5 mil last year out of that about 25% went to materials, about 25% went to employee wages, 10% went to workmens comp INS, about 10% went to bonding and liabilty, another 10% went to truck exps and about 10% in new tools.   so at the end of the year, what did I end up making?  74k  mmm lets see so that means I made... about 17/ hour.  A small increase in in one area means I have no choice but to raise prices or cut costs.  Now since times are tough I can't really raise prices. so... I have to cut costs... the only cost I have that I can control is wages.  This year alone I've let 4 people go,  next pay cycle I'm letting 3 more go.

So which would you choose a insurance company that does not allow weapons, or one that does but costs 25% more?

[Pathfinder]

What about all the people that have lost everything after thier company went belly up do to increases in Insurance?    What about the people that lost everything becuase thier insurace did not cover them, becuase an employee violated company policy?

Its very simple, you have a choice, don't go there, don't bring your gun there, or break the law.

It ain't the law, son, it is just a company policy. Your location may vary, but that is just the way it is up here.

When you run a biz, every thing will become comply clear.

I took in almost 1.5 mil last year out of that about 25% went to materials, about 25% went to employee wages, 10% went to workmens comp INS, about 10% went to bonding and liabilty, another 10% went to truck exps and about 10% in new tools.   so at the end of the year, what did I end up making?  74k  mmm lets see so that means I made... about 17/ hour.  A small increase in in one area means I have no choice but to raise prices or cut costs.  Now since times are tough I can't really raise prices. so... I have to cut costs... the only cost I have that I can control is wages.  This year alone I've let 4 people go,  next pay cycle I'm letting 3 more go.

So which would you choose a insurance company that does not allow weapons, or one that does but costs 25% more?

Company policies are set so if someone brings a gun to work and Postals his boss or co-workers, the company can weasel out of a lawsuit by saying - "Look, we have a policy that clearly states he could not bring the guns into the workplace. Ain't our fault!"

And of course, many times it is their fault, with repressive bosses, medieval policies, favoritism - legally enforced as well as personal, and so on. I have owned companies and I have been intimately involved with HR at a Sr. Management level, so forgive me, but I think I know some of the games that are played and why.

Thanks for opening up a bit and sharing with us some particulars of your situation, it helps us understand where you are coming from with your company policies uber alles. Ain't true, of course, legal precedent clearly states otherwise. I mis-referenced it by calling it pre-dominance, in fact it is the principle of pre-eminence. But at least now we can understand where you're coming from a little better.

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Actually having a no gun policy would not get you off the hook, the diffrence is if your insurance company made it mandatory, you would be covered by your INS.  Fine print and all.  In many place of the country, taking your weapon into a place that has posted signs, is illegal, as it should be.   The old ask them to leave crap is BS.   It needs to be at the very least an infraction, but I would prefer it to be alot more.  other wise its  its not even a slap on the wrist.



I should also point out that I DO NOT have a no weapons policy, if its legal to do so and the property owner agrees to it( check box on the contract and int), but If I see you doing some thing with it, you shouldn't be... I will cut the check right then and there.  That goes for many other things as well... you may also be shocked I have a strick dress code, we are a smoke free work place, I drug test, you also have to pass life scan ( CAs work with childern background test) and have a TB test.   Of corse you don't have to fallow my rules, but you don't have to work for me either...

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[Teresa Heilevang]

I have been really quiet on this subject...(I know I know.. hard to believe  ) but I've been reading all the posts.
I can't eloquently debate this, as a lot of you have done, with any amount of information that you all haven't covered.

But what I think is.............
Concealed Carry is just that...!  Conceal your firearm and carry it as you have a license to do.
 Quietly and with no advertisement. And I have to add .....Sign or No Sign.
I don't advertise to anyone if I'm carrying a firearm or if I'm not.
That is the reason it has the word "conceal" in the title of the certificate.

Conceal..........To keep from being seen, found, observed, or discovered; hide

Sorry... but breaking some liberals business rule is not my first concern.
What IS my first concern is that, 'one in a million' chance of a total life threatening situation arising from someone who is at a place to solely take innocent lives.

I'm not going to ever put myself in a situation to be a sitting duck on a carnival shelf for anyone...anywhere..at any time, if I can help it...just because someone in a corporate office is stupid enough to believe that because they have a sign on their door, that everyone in their establishment is "safe" from anything happening.

If the shit hits the fan and I'm forced to show that I have self protection..I can cough up the money to pay a fine.
 I CAN'T bring myself back from the dead.

(Just my own personal opinion and decision)

[Hazcat]

Well put, Darlin'.

And especially if that idiot sign happens to be against the law any ways.

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I have been really quiet on this subject...(I know I know.. hard to believe  ) but I've been reading all the posts.
I can't eloquently debate this, as a lot of you have done, with any amount of information that you all haven't covered.

But what I think is.............
Concealed Carry is just that...!  Conceal your firearm and carry it as you have a license to do.
 Quietly and with no advertisement. And I have to add .....Sign or No Sign.
I don't advertise to anyone if I'm carrying a firearm or if I'm not.
That is the reason it has the word "conceal" in the title of the certificate.

Conceal..........To keep from being seen, found, observed, or discovered; hide

Sorry... but breaking some liberals business rule is not my first concern.
What IS my first concern is that, 'one in a million' chance of a total life threatening situation arising from someone who is at a place to solely take innocent lives.

I'm not going to ever put myself in a situation to be a sitting duck on a carnival shelf for anyone...anywhere..at any time, if I can help it...just because someone in a corporate office is stupid enough to believe that because they have a sign on their door, that everyone in their establishment is "safe" from anything happening.

If the shit hits the fan and I'm forced to show that I have self protection..I can cough up the money to pay a fine.
 I CAN'T bring myself back from the dead.

(Just my own personal opinion and decision)

So its ok for some one to bring anything on to anyones property as long as no one knows its there?

[Hazcat]

Ever hear of civil disobedience to an unjust law?

[JohnJacobH]

So its ok for some one to bring anything on to anyones property as long as no one knows its there?

That is what the goblins do. 

One thing insurance companies and others do not tell you is your liability does not end because of 
insurance company rules.  If you  force someone to disarm on your property and do not take reasonably prudent measures to protect
them they then have the right to hold you responsible for any harm they incur while under your protection.

You are literally damned if you do (obey the rules) and damned if you do not (obey the rules).

Have you hired the necessary number of (armed) security guards and installed various (expensive) security devices to ensure the safety of all the people on your property?

Liability lawyers love this kind of stuff.

Best regards,