A phrase that lots of gun owners use that just pisses me off..

[TAB]

That is what the goblins do. 

One thing insurance companies and others do not tell you is your liability does not end because of 
insurance company rules.  If you  force someone to disarm on your property and do not take reasonably prudent measures to protect
them they then have the right to hold you responsible for any harm they incur while under your protection.

You are literally damned if you do (obey the rules) and damned if you do not (obey the rules).

Have you hired the necessary number of (armed) security guards and installed various (expensive) security devices to ensure the safety of all the people on your property?

Liability lawyers love this kind of stuff.

Best regards,

Todate no one has ever been sued for having a no weapons policy( and had it actually go to trail)... now places like Vtech have been sued, but it was do what they did after the shooting started, not a no weapons policy,

Yes I have heard of civil disobedience, I don't beleave that killing people is wrong, the laws of murder are unjust...   does that still make me a murderer?  Rather you beleave a law is unjust is a moral issue not a legal one.   So it would be ok to call yourself a moral person, but it would not be ok to call yourself a law abiding one.

[JohnJacobH]

Todate no one has ever been sued for having a no weapons policy( and had it actually go to trail)...

To date is a good way to look at it.  Before there were no officially sanctioned concealed carry laws.

Now if someone has gone to the trouble of jumping every flaming hoop to get a concealed carry license and you forcibly disarm him/her with a sign you have assumed liability for their safety.

Wait for it. It is coming.

Best regards,

[Hazcat]

Call me some one with the courage of his convictions.  In WA the state occupies the whole field (here in FL, too) so I really don't give a darn what you post on property that is open to and inviting in the public.

I assume with your stance that you never knowingly break the law.  So I also further infer that your child/ wife etc would bleed to death while you drove at 35 mph to the hospital.  Correct?

[TAB]

To date is a good way to look at it.  Before there were no officially sanctioned concealed carry laws.

Now if someone has gone to the trouble of jumping every flaming hoop to get a concealed carry license and you forcibly disarm him/her with a sign you have assumed liability for their safety.

Wait for it. It is coming.

Best regards,

the police don't have to defend you, and they disarm people all the time.  So if your envoled in a shooting, with a gang member, and the police take your weapon( which is SOP)  they donot  have to defend you against the gang bangers buddys... why should some one else?

[TAB]

Call me some one with the courage of his convictions.  In WA the state occupies the whole field (here in FL, too) so I really don't give a darn what you post on property that is open to and inviting in the public.

I assume with your stance that you never knowingly break the law.  So I also further infer that your child/ wife etc would bleed to death while you drove at 35 mph to the hospital.  Correct?

I try very hard to obey the law, do I break it every once in awhile, yes.  Do I do it intentionaly, some times.  Do I violate other peoples rights in the process, no.

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[brosometal]

TAB, I think I better understand the situation after reading a few of the posts today.  Concealed carry aside, being a small business owner in America today is getting harder and harder, and from what I understand, CA laws aren't helping  a bunch either.  It must be hard to lay people off for no other reason than bureaucracy (remember, in a bureaucracy you are promoted to your level of incompetence). 

The speeding illustration is a good one in this instance.  In FL you cannot carry in a bar.  I have worked the door at several drinking establishments here where I live.  The bars deal in a lot of cash.  I was not going to place my self in a position of no recourse.  I did not carry on my person, but there was a weapon available while closing if needed.  I technically broke the law (shhhh I have enough problems).  I did not advertise the fact (i.e. no one I worked with knew) and it was never an issue.  No one was hurt when I broke the law.  Same with the speeding: 75 in a 65 is an excuse to generate revenue.  Again no one was hurt when I broke the law. 

I can definitely see the gray area as a business owner, essentially a catch 22.

There is always the option of moving out of the state.  Come on over to FL. We have 2 coasts and we can own .50 cals and mags with more than 10 rounds.  Its almost paradise if you can stand the heat, humidity and old New Englander retirees.

Marshal'ette,

You clearly have too much testosterone coursing through your veins.  You bitter clinger.

[tombogan03884]

When you run a biz, every thing will become comply clear.

I took in almost 1.5 mil last year out of that about 25% went to materials, about 25% went to employee wages, 10% went to workmens comp INS, about 10% went to bonding and liabilty, another 10% went to truck exps and about 10% in new tools.   so at the end of the year, what did I end up making?  74k  mmm lets see so that means I made... about 17/ hour.  A small increase in in one area means I have no choice but to raise prices or cut costs.  Now since times are tough I can't really raise prices. so... I have to cut costs... the only cost I have that I can control is wages.  This year alone I've let 4 people go,  next pay cycle I'm letting 3 more go.

So which would you choose a insurance company that does not allow weapons, or one that does but costs 25% more?

If you have on site security, ie, armed employees, approved by State and Federal Govt, your insurance would be lowwer. The fact seems to be, based on YOUR comments, Because you can't swim you think you have the "Right" of pissing in everyones pool. You are so messed up you even think it's wrong that LEO's can carry nation wide.
Last weeks Gun Talk Tom Gresham  (in hour 1 ) had some pointed comments about people like you , He said they were "foolishly short sighted"

[TAB]

If you have on site security, ie, armed employees, approved by State and Federal Govt, your insurance would be lowwer. The fact seems to be, based on YOUR comments, Because you can't swim you think you have the "Right" of pissing in everyones pool. You are so messed up you even think it's wrong that LEO's can carry nation wide.
Last weeks Gun Talk Tom Gresham  (in hour 1 ) had some pointed comments about people like you , He said they were "foolishly short sighted"

you really don't know me at all.   Your posts have done nothing but prove how closed minded the gun community really is.

[tombogan03884]

you really don't know me at all.   Your posts have done nothing but prove how closed minded the gun community really is.

You've got to be kidding.

[TAB]

Show me one post where I said I was against Concealed carry.