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Re: A phrase that lots of gun owners use that just pisses me off..
« Reply #150 on: June 18, 2008, 06:43:05 AM »
The 2a is just that, an actual amendment listed in the BOR.  Sounds like the most protected "class" there is.

BTW why is it liberals like to bring up "class" as though all people are not equal?  The people that have a CCW or believe firmly in the 2A are not a class, neither are blacks, Jews, the disabled, etc.  They are all just people with the same rights as every one else here in the USofA.

Thats just it, I do beleave every one should have the same rights under the law, but currently that is not the case.  Besides class in this case is a legal term. I also beleave that if you go onto some ones property by choice, the property owner has the right to restrict what you can and can not do ( or bring in) to said property. 
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Re: A phrase that lots of gun owners use that just pisses me off..
« Reply #151 on: June 18, 2008, 06:56:10 AM »
.......... out of that about 25% went to materials, about 25% went to employee wages, 10% went to workmens comp INS, about 10% went to bonding and liabilty, another 10% went to truck exps and about 10% in new tools.   so at the end of the year, what did I end up making?  74k  mmm lets see so that means I made... about 17/ hour.  A small increase in in one area means I have no choice but to raise prices or cut costs.  Now since times are tough I can't really raise prices. so... I have to cut costs... the only cost I have that I can control is wages.  This year alone I've let 4 people go,  next pay cycle I'm letting 3 more go.

So which would you choose a insurance company that does not allow weapons, or one that does but costs 25% more?

No fun.  The vast majority of people have no idea..was that before tax?  Iif so that's an 80+ hour week.  A normal year being 2,080 hours.

It's hard for independent working people to view themselve as a victim; they are usually about load the wagon and get it done.  You are a victim, we all are.  Victims of government run rampant with good intentions and plans that can't be carried through.  

When you talk about employee wages, I'm certain you meant of that 25% a goodly portion went to medicare/medicaid, social security, etc.  It is discouraging when the general public blindly, sheepishly believes that the employer pays part of their social security.  If the employee was not working their would be no payment to social security because the employee was not working and producing....not that the employer takes money out of his pocket when someone works for him.  If it weren't going from the employer to the social security pyramid scheme it could go from employer to employee via the paycheck.  

I understand better where you are coming from...you are fighting the battle of our/your government having the cards stacked against you.  It is absolute compliance with the law or you lose it all.  Just wait until you have to pay a "fair" tax rate for being rich as well as a corporate tax to make certain you don't avoid paying your fair share by hiding it in your wages....it's on the way.  

Socialist demagogues really believe hard-working, independent people are evil.  That's the same mindset that goes against established law to inhibit our 2nd Ammendment rights.  Strange how it all seems to spring from the well of power, control and ultimate enlightenment.

Do you guys think that Boston could muster only 5 good men for a Tea Party today?  Boston seems to have gone the way of demagoguary (sp) and sheep.  Sheep who are just trying to get along and continue doing the best they can.  The backs of slaves are scarred with the lashes of socialism and fear. 

Living with a yoke is not freedom.  Either you have the desire to "live free or die" or you don't.  Most people don't and that is why they are looked upon with contempt and disdain by their socialists masters.  At least free men are feared with the loathing.  Sheep march mindlessly to the slaughter content with what they are "given" that was already theirs to start with whilst being herded happily to that slaughter.  The shears have already been employed....what is next?
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Re: A phrase that lots of gun owners use that just pisses me off..
« Reply #152 on: June 18, 2008, 07:05:06 AM »
Really?   thats intresting, with out the 1st you could not even have said that, but surely the 2a is the most powerful one... thats why its number 2?  
I've been in quite a few fights and a couple of deadly confrontations.  Mouthing off never deterred a willing foe nor did it win the fight. 

Brave men survive a confrontation by intimidating the foe or crushing him with force.  Sheep survive by compliance and the statistical nature of being one of many among a few (wolves). 

Emotions can cause us to lose touch with reality.  If mere speech can trump the gun then why is it true that millions who did at the hands of the Nazi, or the 8 to 16 million who died under the hand of Stalin?  What of Pol Pot...did that slaughter not occur at the hands of armed thugs? 

The mouth is mightier than the sword?  Nice words.  Words learned at the feet of subjection.  No wonder the frustration comes forth...stand forth, be bold and live free!
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Re: A phrase that lots of gun owners use that just pisses me off..
« Reply #153 on: June 18, 2008, 07:07:04 AM »
I know there is angst...not unlike the 1st jump from the high diving board.  You want to, but the emotions are great.

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Re: A phrase that lots of gun owners use that just pisses me off..
« Reply #154 on: June 18, 2008, 07:07:28 AM »
The 25% is all wages, that inculdes all taxs , federal and state disablity "insurance"  It also inculdeds payments to subs( just labor, I always buy materials... rahter its me picking it up or just paying for it.)

One thing that many don't understand is workmens comp runs right around the 50% of what your employees make an hour.  I was on the corprate bandwagon from the get go... its the only way to go... you guys hate paying taxs once a year... try having to do it 4 times a year.

Don't even get me started on the two trade rules.
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Re: A phrase that lots of gun owners use that just pisses me off..
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Re: A phrase that lots of gun owners use that just pisses me off..
« Reply #155 on: June 18, 2008, 07:46:40 AM »
I had to take a break as the posts were overlapping  ;D  As much fun as it is to needle you, I have some serious history for you to consider; On the night of Dec. 15 1775 The "Sons of Liberty" in Portsmouth NH seized(stole) the Kings arms and ammunition stored at Fort William and Mary (now Fort Constitution, the Coast Guard station ) at the point of a privately owned cannon. These stolen arms were the target of the British troops marching from Boston the following April. If retention of these arms was  considered legitimate cause for insurrection, as evidenced by the resistance offered at Lexington and Concord, then the argument can be made that "the Peoples right to keep and bear arms" not only supersedes property rights, (stealing from the govt to arm the People is a PROPERTY crime under FBI uniform reporting standards, far more serious than carrying on a liberals property) It also supersedes CRIMINAL LAW. An interesting situation, Stealing military ordnance was considered a good joke on the King, But our founding fathers felt that the troops marching out to recover this STOLEN PROPERTY was an outrage worthy of armed resistance.   READ THIS ONE CAREFULLY TAB, THERES NO SARCASM HERE, STRAIGHT HISTORY

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Re: A phrase that lots of gun owners use that just pisses me off..
« Reply #156 on: June 18, 2008, 07:56:13 AM »
Really?   thats intresting, with out the 1st you could not even have said that, but surely the 2a is the most powerful one... thats why its number 2? 

Tab,

Of course he could have said it.  Did you forget that the BOR does not grant any rights, it only enumerates them and protects them.  So his right of free speech exists regardless of it's inclusion in the BOR as to all other rights (see 9A)

BTW your property rights fall somewhere below #2, since you have stated that you think the order of the rights somehow ranks them in importance.

Also, please keep the difference between commercial property that is open to the public and someone's front yard in mind.

While it is acceptable for a few folks to gather in an open area in a mall and discuss the morning over a few sandwiches and soft drinks, it would not be acceptable for them to do so in someone's front yard.  And even if it is not acceptable, it is not a crime until they are asked to leave and do not.

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Re: A phrase that lots of gun owners use that just pisses me off..
« Reply #157 on: June 18, 2008, 08:29:55 AM »
Thats just it, I do beleave every one should have the same rights under the law, but currently that is not the case.  Besides class in this case is a legal term. I also beleave that if you go onto some ones property by choice, the property owner has the right to restrict what you can and can not do ( or bring in) to said property.  


I understand you believe that but can you point to an unambigiuos right that says that?  You have a right to be seucre in your property, and have the right not to have troops forced upon you.  As my concealed weapon does not make you less secure (in fact quite the opposite) where is this right to restrict my rights on your property?

Can I have a still on my property, can I have slaves on my property, can I grow canibis on my property?  As a property owner and landlord I cannot discriminate to whom I rent, or what they have (other than not allowing damage to my property, cats, dogs, etc.) so just how am I damaging your property with my concealed weapon?  My exercising my 2A rights does not infringe any of your rights as a property owner, especially if it is concealed.  Your 'feelings' are not a right.
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Re: A phrase that lots of gun owners use that just pisses me off..
« Reply #158 on: June 18, 2008, 03:03:23 PM »
haz, you don't have to come in my shop... That is a choice you make.   Which is where the diffrence is.  Going against the property owners will is damage enough.   Your state may say property owners don't have that right, it does not mean the rest of the country is that.  One of the few things I think texas got right is the 30.06 law.  Its protects freedon, not restrick it.
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Re: A phrase that lots of gun owners use that just pisses me off..
« Reply #159 on: June 18, 2008, 03:28:34 PM »
Tab,

If you service the public then you are inviting me onto (into) your premises.  No discrimination allowed.  Except for health and safety which you cannot prove re: CCW.  Going against your will is not against the law.
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