A phrase that lots of gun owners use that just pisses me off..

[Hazcat]

       

Thank you!  I'll be here until I die...Don't forget to tip the waiters! 

[TAB]

Tab,

If you service the public then you are inviting me onto (into) your premises.  No discrimination allowed.  Except for health and safety which you cannot prove re: CCW.  Going against your will is not against the law.

Thats just it, I'm not discriminating... Several states have passed laws that state if your caught carrying, its a crime, not just leave or be cited.


There is alot of gray area when it comes to eminent domain, its not a simple  yes or no issuse.  I've had both good and bad exps with it.

What I don't think is right, is using eminent domain powers to take land from some one and give it to a comm'l intrest.   Infact last election CA had a bill that would have forbid that...sadly they added a few extra lines that made the bill a very, very bad.  ( just like almost every other prop CA has a chance to vote on)   

[jaybet]

Thank you!  I'll be here until I die...Don't forget to tip the waiters! 

Hey....you know how many times I've said that? But now the politically correct term is "servers" because they are of both genders and mixed up of both genders all which way, so it's "servers".

I know this because this year I am celebrating 40 years of performing in bars, in fact I wrote a song called "Forty Years in Bars" for the new cd.
Hey...you have to celebrate SOMETHING.

[kdcarlso]

KKK Rally on my front lawn?
How does that compare to violating my person?
I don't ask anyone that I invite in my house if they are carrying a firearm, knife, cash, medication or anything else for that matter. What they have on their person is really none of my damn business whether they are in my house or not. Thinking back, I've never visited someone elses house and been asked what I have on me nor have I been stripped searched before entering. I guess most people don't think about violating you when they invite you over.

[DDMac]

Hey....you know how many times I've said that? But now the politically correct term is "servers" because they are of both genders and mixed up of both genders all which way, so it's "servers".

So now, instead of being waited on, you get serviced?  Guess I need to get out more.

Mac.

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[Teresa Heilevang]

I need to say something before I go to bed. We are still in New Mexico filming.. but I try to at least get on here a teeny bit at night to read what is going on..
So don't think that just because the "Queen " is away.. you all can raise too much hell. 

Now... what I was going to say is this.

You guys are just the greatest! All of you!
 Here we have a thread that is just over the top in emotions.. there has been (about 4 times) comments and situations where it could have been a full blown range war. But it wasn't.

Tab.. I have to hand it to you. Even though you are in the minority on this issue,, you still believe strongly in your convictions on this matter, to answer and comment each time it is brought up again. . You have taken a rash of shit and still been pretty even tempered during it all.  And I don't think you will find one man or gal in here that doesn't respect you for that.

I probably might not (Probably might not?    ) have kept my cool if I had been hammered at from all directions for so long ... and even though we all have strong feelings and beliefs on this issue.. you all can still crack some jokes right in the middle of it ..laugh, and still debate and discuss like good friends.

Damn I'm proud of all of you   

[Rastus]

I need to say something before I go to bed. We are still in New Mexico filming.. but I try to at least get on here a teeny bit at night to read what is going on..
So don't think that just because the "Queen " is away.. you all can raise too much hell. 

Now... what I was going to say is this.

You guys are just the greatest! All of you!
 Here we have a thread that is just over the top in emotions.. there has been (about 4 times) comments and situations where it could have been a full blown range war. But it wasn't.

Tab.. I have to hand it to you. Even though you are in the minority on this issue,, you still believe strongly in your convictions on this matter, to answer and comment each time it is brought up again. . You have taken a rash of shit and still been pretty even tempered during it all.  And I don't think you will find one man or gal in here that doesn't respect you for that.

I probably might not (Probably might not?    ) have kept my cool if I had been hammered at from all directions for so long ... and even though we all have strong feelings and beliefs on this issue.. you all can still crack some jokes right in the middle of it ..laugh, and still debate and discuss like good friends.

Damn I'm proud of all of you   

Eeewwww, iicccckkkk....yeeeech.  Touchy feeley stuff.   Ugggh.  Girl stuff, yeeccchhhh....oooowwww.  Where's my $3 testosterone vitamin energy drink...I feel drained.  I'm melting....melting....melting away........           

[Hazcat]

Eeewwww, iicccckkkk....yeeeech.  Touchy feeley stuff.   Ugggh.  Girl stuff, yeeccchhhh....oooowwww.  Where's my $3 testosterone vitamin energy drink...I feel drained.  I'm melting....melting....melting away........           

LOL!  I was thinking the same thing as I was reading the 'mush'.  Sort of "Aww MOM! Don't kiss me when drop me off at school!" 

[ericire12]

Marshal'ette is right on target. Had this been a discussion on any other forum, it would not have been so civil. Thats probably the only reason I still come to this place for discussions. Many of the people on "those other forums" think that it is their duty to be as big of an asshole as possible. 

[JohnJacobH]

the police don't have to defend you, and they disarm people all the time.  So if your envoled in a shooting, with a gang member, and the police take your weapon( which is SOP)  they donot  have to defend you against the gang bangers buddys... why should some one else?

Sorry I missed this, hard to keep up with message board format. Since I have had a chance to review the thread I realize there are a number of misconceptions here.

First, you began the thread with an emotion based observation that gunowners "tick you off "when they say concealed means concealed.

The misconception here is the unspoken premise is that if we, the gunowners explain it enough, you will no longer be "ticked off".

Speaking for myself and not the other gunowners in the same boat, I do not believe I will be able to change your emotions based on any facts I can present.

For example, lawyers and litigitors try to cover it up with jargon, but reduced to the most basic elements, police are contract employees of various municipalities and jurisdictions.  The only constitutionally authorized local  law enforcement is the duly elected Sheriff, which is why the Sheriff's Department has the power of habeas corpus assigned to him/her and runs the jails for the court system.

TECHNICALLY, every Law Enforcement Agency,including or especially Federal Agencies is/are required to register with the local
Sheriff before they engage in any investigation or arrest.  Some Western Sheriffs have made this point in court with mixed results to date.

So, when Police seize your weapons as part of some investigation, they are, in fact, in violation of your RKBA as well as presuming guilt.  The most farcical version of this is the seizure of money or property under the 'asset forfeiture' doctrine.

There are actual court cases that say "United States v. $10,000" 

So there really is no comparison with what you as a private property owner can do and  police procedures.

And if you somehow believe your property rights are absolute examine what happened in New Orleans after Katrina and what is currently happening in Iowa during the 100 year flood.

In the end it will not matter how examples you encounter, it is unlikely your feelings will change until you experience some personal epiphany.

Best regards,