Author Topic: Wolff ammo-I guess it just had to happen  (Read 12840 times)

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Wolff ammo-I guess it just had to happen
« on: September 02, 2008, 12:53:12 PM »
I have always defended Wolff ammo.  I have never had a problem with the stuff, and I figured those who did just did not clean their stinking guns enough.  I seen two guys I know shooting their ARs that had a fired cartridge case stick in the chamber, both of them happening on the same day!  I attributed it to the fact these two young guys like to make their ARs sound like M16s, and I also did not figure they were as particular about cleaning as I am.  Well, I reckon it had to happen, the same thing happened to me today!  Took the old AR out, shot 60 rounds of it at a leasurely pace, no rapid fire stuff.  Put the gun down and shot 200 rounds through my 10/22 and MK2.  Went back to the AR, fired two rounds, and blam, the second cartridge stuck in the chamber.  That was the end of ole Tim's shooting for today!  When I got back to the house a cleaning rod knocked it right out, but this would have more than sucked if it would have been a self defense/combat type situation!  This is the new polymer coated Wolff stuff.  By the way, this was the very first time my AR has had a stoppage of any kind, and it dang sure is ammo related, not the gun!  I only bought a small stockpile of Wolff ammo to supplement my reloaded ammo, but I rekon I will stick with my reloads from now on!
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Re: Wolff ammo-I guess it just had to happen
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2008, 12:58:49 PM »
Just use it at the range and you'll be ok. I'll use wolff for practice but my go-to mags are loaded with top quality brass.
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Re: Wolff ammo-I guess it just had to happen
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2008, 01:48:57 PM »
Just use it at the range and you'll be ok. I'll use wolff for practice but my go-to mags are loaded with top quality brass.


Typically you get what you pay for, but I've seen a lot of happy reviews of Wolff products on MidwayUSA.

This is the new polymer coated Wolff stuff.  By the way, this was the very first time my AR has had a stoppage of any kind, and it dang sure is ammo related, not the gun!  I only bought a small stockpile of Wolff ammo to supplement my reloaded ammo, but I rekon I will stick with my reloads from now on!

I might suggest that if you take your AR and any other gun, you shoot your reloads first, then your other gun, then go back to your AR and the Wolff just to clear out what remaining ammo you have and at a time when you're near finished shooting, so if you have a problem, it doesn't ruin your entire range session. Also, try some of there steel case ammo. It might be that the polymer stuff just sticks in the chamber.
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Re: Wolff ammo-I guess it just had to happen
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2008, 02:12:13 PM »
I believe the polymer coated cases are steel. I read that it was supposed to eliminate the problem of the chamber getting gummed up by laquered steel cases. I've never used a single round of steel cased ammo in any of my guns and don't plan on it. Stuff like that was made during WWII in the U.S. when brass was too scarce and they were desperate for an emergency substitute. If things ever get that bad, like it's WWIII, then I'll use it but only if I have too.
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Re: Wolff ammo-I guess it just had to happen
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2008, 02:56:06 PM »
gunman,
Thanks for your post. Good information and timely for me.
I'm with Jumbofrank on this one.
I used a case of Wolf 9mm without problem shooting in my P226. But our range now bans the use of Wolf ammo period.
I noticed on Ammoman there is some Prvi Partisan ammo labeled Wolf. I have had great luck with Prvi Partisan .223 ammo. I bought a case of it marked Prvi Partisan. It has a brass case, is noncorrosive, and reloadable. I understand that the US Army is buying from them as well. So, I guess it depends on which Wolf ammo you are talking about.

BTW, Jumbofrank, I have shot and had reloaded some of the WWII tin case .45 ammo over the years. It all worked in sub guns and M1911s -- recall that I spent 27+ years on active duty with the Army. I do not recommend reloading that tin case stuff -- I worry that it could scratch your die.

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Re: Wolff ammo-I guess it just had to happen
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Re: Wolff ammo-I guess it just had to happen
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2008, 04:25:53 PM »
If your AR is chambered for .223 Wolf will stick, if its a 5,56 chamber it wont 99.9 % of the time,the .223 has  tighter tolerence  even tho the steel wont expand like brass tolerences are tighter. it should only be used for training anyway.
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Re: Wolff ammo-I guess it just had to happen
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2008, 04:44:39 PM »
I'm glad DRTV saves posts.  Here's my story on Wolf .223 in my Sig 556. It was the ONLY ammo that gave me issues. I know some love it, but even at the range I want it to feed, lock the bolt back on the last round, and work as designed. I could even hear the difference between Wolf and Wally-World Rem. I staggered rounds in the mag and when the Wolf came up, it would FTFeed.

Plus, Gunney Ermey yelled at me. ;)  Its on the post below.

http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=1619.0

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Re: Wolff ammo-I guess it just had to happen
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2008, 05:20:23 PM »
If your AR is chambered for .223 Wolf will stick, if its a 5,56 chamber it wont 99.9 % of the time,the .223 has  tighter tolerence  even tho the steel wont expand like brass tolerences are tighter. it should only be used for training anyway.

My AR is a 5.56.
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Re: Wolff ammo-I guess it just had to happen
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2008, 08:47:13 PM »
If your AR is chambered for .223 Wolf will stick, if its a 5,56 chamber it wont 99.9 % of the time,the .223 has  tighter tolerence  even tho the steel wont expand like brass tolerences are tighter. it should only be used for training anyway.

I've never seen an AR that was just .223. Every one I've seen was either marked 5.56mm or 5.56mm/.223. Maybe someone makes an aftermarket .223 barrel for them but I haven't seen that either. 5.56mm in a .223 chamber is a SAAMI-listed dangerous combination anyway.
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Re: Wolff ammo-I guess it just had to happen
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2008, 08:56:28 PM »

BTW, Jumbofrank, I have shot and had reloaded some of the WWII tin case .45 ammo over the years. It all worked in sub guns and M1911s -- recall that I spent 27+ years on active duty with the Army. I do not recommend reloading that tin case stuff -- I worry that it could scratch your die.


Thank you for you service. You're a better man than I to last that long. My friend Timmy used cut off pieces of the WWII steel cases to sleeve the chamber of one of his MAG-1 Carbines so he could shoot .45 ACP out of it. I don't know how well that worked but it's a real thumper in .45 Win Mag. You can sure tell it's not a .30 Carbine when you shoot those babies. ;D It didn't take much for me to have a bruised shoulder the next day either.
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