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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: alfsauve on March 26, 2017, 02:57:08 PM
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First match of the year for me was the River Bend (Dawsonville) match on my home range.
I've developed cataracts but I didn't think they were that bad, as far a shooting was concerned.
BOY WAS I WRONG.
I scored the lowest scores in 5 years. My close up targets were as tight a groups as any. On one (5-by-Glock) the 5yd target had all 6 rounds in the "X" zone. But out a 25 yards I had 2 misses. I've "cleaned" this course of fire in less time that it took me this year to miss.
I finished on page 2 at 65th with a score of 107.61.
I'm getting the eyes fixed soon, so look out when the GSSF Nationals roll around next fall.
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Alf.... repeat after me... oh mann o pat me ohm.... pistol caliber carbine.... pistol caliber carbine... pistol caliber carbine
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;D
I'll get there, Les. Let's get the eyes fixed, first. (Robo-eyes). Then we'll see what that does to iron sights. Then it's the MOS and the PCC.
I keep an eye out towards collecting the parts. Or a good price on one of the commercial rigs.
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Aero Survival Rifles use Glock Magazines 8)
www.tnwfirearms.com
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Aero Survival Rifles use Glock Magazines 8)
www.tnwfirearms.com
If you plan on buying one of these you should read the reviews. The first one isn't good at all. The rest of the reviews are positive even when there are problems. http://www.tnwfirearms.com/product-p/asrx-cplt-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx.htm
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there are better options out there ....
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Just get back from IRC and I realize the GSSF Nationals-Gunny Challenge is in 2 weeks. 11/18. Talladega baby.
Did I tell you I hate my Gen 4 G17? Rubs my trigger finger raw after a dozen rounds, and the trigger has a nasty habit of locking up as you try to squeeze off the first shot.
So with a few buck burning a hole in my pocket, I went down to the dealer and got a G17 G5. It felt better and the trigger did not seem to want to hang up.
Just got back from the range. 150rounds right out of the box. My trigger finger isn't raw and the trigger never locked up. My first 20 rounds at 25yds were 19A and 1B.
I still am not a fan-boy, but this Glock may be a keeper. Anyone want a G4 cheap?
Now if I can just get 1 or 2 more range sessions before the 17th.
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I may not have guzzled the Glock Kool-Aid but I sure sipped a bunch of it.
I only own for or five of them.
I would like to know your thoughts on the Gen-5.
My G-17 gen 4 has been a great shooter so far, no problems yet.
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I went an shot Friday. Only took about 2 hours. Registration was at the main facility, the clubhouse. To comply with the range rules, everyone signed a range release (rather formal 2 page affair) and got a wrist band. Then you could drive down to the action pistol range. Range 5
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Beautiful weather. I shot 2 entries, Competition and Am Civilian. For each of the stages, I just went for speed in the Comp entry. Had fun but the score sucked, 143. For the Am Civ, I was a little more serious and ended up with 88.62. Not my best but far from my worst and much better than I did in the spring. Understand I've been serious DA recolver shooting all summer and fall. I had only 150rds and one range session since IRC with this new Gen5. I fired a couple of shots a tad early. Still hit the paper but "C" instead of "A".
In my dreams I was in the 60's, but an 88 is not bad. I should be back on page 1 of the results. Depending on who and how many show up, I could even be in the running for high Super Senior.
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I would like to know your thoughts on the Gen-5.
My G-17 gen 4 has been a great shooter so far, no problems yet.
I have hated my G17 Gen 4 from the get go. My two biggest complaints have involved the trigger. First, for some reason it rubs the bottom of my trigger finger raw in only a dozen or so rounds. Secondly the safety lever in the trigger catches and at times won't let the trigger move regardless of how hard you pull. Releasing and re-squeezing the trigger alleviates the problem. I asked a Glock armorer about this and he said I was holding the gun wrong. That made me hate it even more. A fraction of a fraction of an inch of finger more or less shouldn't cause the gun to lock up. I just assume all Glock users have this problem but are blinded by the Cool-aide.
UNDERSTAND: To compete in a GSSF match the pistol must be all Glock without significant changes. Sights are okay to change out. Grip tape or stippling, okay, but not in excess.
I could have done some mods. But, heck, this is suppose to be PERFECTION. Right?
Now the Gen 5 alleviates these problems. It does not rub my finger raw and it doesn't "catch" like the Gen4. I like it, for a Glock. I'll keep if for GSSF, only.
All the other changes, like beveled front edges and reversible magazine release and ambi slide lock are lost on my application.
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Did they finally achieve perfection on the fifth try?
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Did they finally achieve perfection on the fifth try?
No but it's miles ahead of earlier gens.
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No but it's miles ahead of earlier gens.
Let me know when they're light-years ahead and I'll buy one. ;)
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Let me know when they're light-years ahead and I'll buy one. ;)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Let me know when they're light-years ahead and I'll buy one. ;)
Well, it's light-years ahead of the 1911 and it's other competitors. Just miles ahead of previous Glocks =)
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Because of my eye sight I haven't competed indoors for a couple of years. Today I took my robo-eyes and shot in a GSSF indoor league. The gen5 g17 grouped well and I didn't do too bad. 494/500.
For those who know the scoring it means I had 3 in the B zone. Two of those were at 15 yds when I let myself get distracted by the shooters next to me.
Not having shot PAR times in a while, I practiced the cadence over the last couple of days and felt comfortable with my speed.
I've got until next month to practice on and maybe finally hit 500.
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A fraction of a fraction of an inch of finger more or less shouldn't cause the gun to lock up. I just assume all Glock users have this problem but are blinded by the Cool-aide.
Alf, not all Glock users have this problem. If they did, sales would have stopped in 1987. Have you tried a different trigger bar? (any gen3 or gen4 trigger for a 9mm, 40 or 357 will work)
The safety tab on your original may have some excess flashing present that binds it up...don't know.
I have tried to love my gen4 G34 but it just isn't happening. Another pound added to the trigger pull with the gen 4s isn't something I wanted so I used a GSSF gun certificate to order a gen 3 replacement.
All my gen 4s are going away.
Hope your peepers are functioning OK!!
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Eyes are doing well. I had my optometrist make me custom progressive reading glasses. 20/15 at the top third and 2.5 readers on the bottom.
There were many options to fix my gen4, but I only shoot the Glock in GSSF matches and they're suppose to be unmodified (sights and grip tape excluded).
Maybe a little filing/polishing might have fixed the problem.
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I've got to address the front sight haze myself w/o glasses. I made the dumb mistake of wasting $$ on single vision glasses thinking I could use them for shooting. Well I can - for shotgun! Pistol sights are just an un-recognizable blob.
Come to think of it, I haven't parked my eyes behind a scope with the new glasses. Have to find out how that is going to work.
GSSF allows ANY factory Glock part. You can put in a smooth faced trigger, polish the rubby parts, add a "-" connector...all are still factory parts. If you want to try a different trigger for free, I have some factory ones laying around gathering dust since I switch all mine out to smooth faced.
"Trigger freeze" is something I absolutely would not tolerate even in a 'range only' gun.
On Edit: Sorry I wasn't more clear in suggesting another trigger. What I *should* have said is "have you tried another Glock trigger", not an aftermarket.
They can change feel with different guts in them, even if those guts come from the same plant. Might be tolerance stack, different machine or mold, some come with a trigger fairy -> others get a troll.
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re: shooting glasses... over the years, I've tried a variety of options, prescription up/down, poly carbonate, inserts, none of which worked well for me... those that worked the best for pistol (open sight) were mono vision with my near vision prescription only in my dominant eye, and bifocal in non dominant, with the partition line moved up 2mm... since switching to PCC I shoot with my regular bifocals as I actually see a round dot (I have pretty bad astigmatism) with the Vortex SPARC with the distant upper portion... I'm good to about 18yd when we shoot a 2 gun match (carbine/pistol) with the pistol, but have to lift my head for any precision distant pistol shot
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re: shooting glasses... over the years, I've tried a variety of options, prescription up/down, poly carbonate, inserts, none of which worked well for me... those that worked the best for pistol (open sight) were mono vision with my near vision prescription only in my dominant eye, and bifocal in non dominant, with the partition line moved up 2mm... since switching to PCC I shoot with my regular bifocals as I actually see a round dot (I have pretty bad astigmatism) with the Vortex SPARC with the distant upper portion... I'm good to about 18yd when we shoot a 2 gun match (carbine/pistol) with the pistol, but have to lift my head for any precision distant pistol shot
Is Stephen Hawkings around to translate? ;D
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Thank you Les...I'm starting to do that dance now. I might hit you up for more info in the future.
I have started asking every (older) shooter I see with glasses what works for them. Unfortunately, the answers are as varied as the quest you outlined.
The last guy did have the "reading" portion moved up a bit in the lens to maintain head position for pistol sights.
I might pursue the dominant eye-close RX, non-dominant-far RX route.
It would help if I had a bunch of money laying around....that Powerball lottery plan hasn't panned out.