.410

[fightingquaker13]

the only real diffrence between the guages is the ammount of shot.

AND powder TAB. Bushpilot may say clean kill or a miss, but he's wrong. There is option C, a bird that takes a pellet and dies later. I like .410 for clays and snakes, and even quail if you have the discipline to NOT take a shot that is in any way marginal, but its iffy for birds in a shotgun and silly for SD in a 4" barrel pistol. If we're talking shot guns with a 20" or so barrel (giving it adequate burn time), why not move to .20 gauge? Not much more recoil or weight and no question about the result.
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[texcaliber]

every person i know that intelligently chooses a 410 is to handicap themselves for a greater challenge of sport or game either fur or feathered. 

[TAB]

AND powder TAB. Bushpilot may say clean kill or a miss, but he's wrong. There is option C, a bird that takes a pellet and dies later. I like .410 for clays and snakes, and even quail if you have the discipline to NOT take a shot that is in any way marginal, but its iffy for birds in a shotgun and silly for SD in a 4" barrel pistol. If we're talking shot guns with a 20" or so barrel (giving it adequate burn time), why not move to .20 gauge? Not much more recoil or weight and no question about the result.
FQ13

um you missed the point.  a piece of shot going XXXX fps does not care if its fired from a 10 ga or a 22 shot shell.    it still has the same speed and same energy.  So as I said, the only diffrence is the ammount of shot.


I use 410 all the time for upland game hunting. it kills things just as dead,you just have to know what your shot pattern is like and shoot acordingly.

[twyacht]

My Grandfather's old Ward's Western Field bolt action .410, with 3" #7 shot leaves a hole slightly bigger than a beer can in 1/2" plywood. With a "smattering of pellets" around the primary impact at 15 yds.

Sure it's a football field long, and was designed for rabbit, squirrel, dove, but remove the threaded choke from the end of the barrel,
put a slug in it, and at 25 yds, will hit a target harder than a 45Colt. More than adequate for SD.

That's from a quirky, cheap .410 over 60 years old. Put it in a small easily mobile platform, and at SD distances will damn sure work. Is it my first choice? No, not really, but I don't think anyone is going to be threatening me anymore, if that's all I have time to grab and fire. If I cut 7 feet off the barrel, it would be a bad a** bolt action,,...but I'd get a Judge instead....

just my .02 cents.

[tombogan03884]

TW, that was made by Mossberg I got one for my birthday in 1972 
That's the cool thing about the old time "house brands" They were the same gun as the name brand just marked for the store that sold them. There are several references where you can find out who supplied what to which stores, one is in the back of the Numrich arms catalog.

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[twyacht]

Thanks Tom, The threaded choke is stamped Mossberg, right next to the set screw. I haven't shot the old girl in a few years, but did buy another box of Remington 3" shells before Christmas,...

In case those zombie squirrels come around,...

[PegLeg45]

TW, that was made by Mossberg I got one for my birthday in 1972 
That's the cool thing about the old time "house brands" They were the same gun as the name brand just marked for the store that sold them. There are several references where you can find out who supplied what to which stores, one is in the back of the Numrich arms catalog.

Yep....Like my b-i-l's Ted Williams shotgun that was sold through Sears back in the 70's I believe. It is a Winchester 1400, made for Sears, with the Ted Williams markings.


Same b-i-l has a SxS double in .410 with the rabbit ear hammers. Cool shooting little squirrel gun. I can't remember the maker off the top of my head.

[Combat Diver]

Check out the ammo from Paraklese Technologies

www.paraklesetechnologies.com/products.asp?cat=13

CD

[fightingquaker13]

Look, the .410 is a toy. A very, very cool toy that I hope to someday own. I have had the opprotunity to shoot Parkers and L.C. Smiths in .410 and would love to add one to the stable. Still, for a go to hunting/SD round survey says no. A 20 gauge is just as light and much more effective. Whether its doves over a tank, or a BG in the living room, a 20 will out perform a .410 every day ending in a Y. Plus, the ammo is cheaper and more available. Save the .410 for the skeet range and quail hunts. Otherwise, use enough gun. Just my .02.
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[ellis4538]

ericire12, isnt there buck below the discs?  That would seem a good idea and I'm sure Winchester tried a lot of different combos.

Richard