.410

[tombogan03884]

ericire12, isnt there buck below the discs?  That would seem a good idea and I'm sure Winchester tried a lot of different combos.

Richard

12 pellets of shot according to what MB said in the podcast, I do not recall him saying what SIZE  shot

[fightingquaker13]

12 pellets of shot according to what MB said in the podcast, I do not recall him saying what SIZE  shot

Its 3 for buck in 2 3/4" and 5 in 3". I'm guessing #6 for MB's quote?
FQ13

[Walter45Auto]

I thought he said it was BB shot below the discs. IIRC, that's a larger size birdshot.

[Michael Bane]

There are 12 BBs behind the 3 "Defense Discs" in the Winchester .410 PDX1 rounds. BB rounds are roughly...um...BB-sized. Here's a link to comparisons of shot sizes: http://www.chuckhawks.com/shot_info.htm

Winchester's engineers told me the plates would grab the shallow Judge rifling and come out of the barrel spinning like a regular slug, and that proves to be the case in the box and a half of ammo I shot. At about 5 yards the plates cut clean round holes, clustering into about 2 inches, with the BBs patterning around the plates.

The .410 isn't going to replace my 870 12-gauge in the bedroom, but it's possible that the 12-gauge PDX ammo (3 pellets of #00 on top of a 1 ounce slug) might find a place on the side carrier.

As for the Judge, it is a brilliant purpose-designed weapon, a gun for people who don't shoot guns a lot — and there are a lot of casual shooters out there. People like me and Pincus and Janich can rail about how everyone needs to shoot more all we want, but it doesn't change the reality.

And when we talk about attacks in the close-in "hot zone," I'd take a Judge with .410 with self-defense rounds over a snub revolver or pocket semi any day of the week. The closer the attacker is to me, the faster I want the attack to stop. As harsh as it might sound, a round like the .410 PDX1 in the face would, I suspect, end any attack. I also stand by the statement I made about the prototype Judge several years back (which ended up as the Taurus ad campaign) — the Judge may be the best anti-carjacking tool I've ever come across. A lot of lead in the air is better than not a lot of lead in the air...

Michael B

[mike g]

I bought an H&R Snake Tamer .410 about thirteen years ago,and it is by far the simplest shotgun I have for my family as a self defense firearm. I'll have to admit though my weapon of choice for self defese is the good'ol 12 gauge pump!

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[Fatman]

Quick link to a video about the .410 PDX1 rounds:

http://www.americanrifleman.org/Video.aspx?vid=2123&cid=23

Note, the hull is - *gasp* - BLACK! Bad Winchester! Bad! Didn't the Black Talon media attack teach us anything?  

I'm going to find some of this for my Judge.  I like the idea of buck and ball, err, disk.

And one with Michael:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOq9a8sAHfg

[Combat Diver]

Aren't BBs 4.5mm/.177 cal?

CD

[Walter45Auto]

I believe so.