Author Topic: Montana Gov. gives gun bill his signature and Fed Govt. his middle finger  (Read 7865 times)

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The  USA state of  Montana has signed into power a revolutionary gun law. I mean REVOLUTIONARY. The State of  Montana has defied the federal government and their gun laws. This will prompt a showdown between the federal government and the State of  Montana . The federal government fears citizens owning guns. They try to curtail what types of guns they can own. The gun control laws all have one common goal - confiscation of privately owned firearms.
 
Montana has gone beyond drawing a line in the sand. They have challenged the Federal Government. The fed now either takes them on and risks them saying the federal agents have no right to violate their state gun laws and arrest the federal agents that try to enforce the federal firearms acts. This will be a world-class event to watch.  Montana could go to voting for secession from the union, which is really throwing the gauntlet in Obama's face. If the federal government does nothing they lose face. Gotta love it.

Important Points - If guns and ammunition are manufactured inside the State of  Montana for sale and use inside that state then the federal firearms laws have no applicability since the federal government only has the power to control commerce across state lines.  Montana has the law on their side. Since when did the  USA start following their own laws especially the constitution of the  USA , the very document that empowers the  USA .

Silencers made in  Montana and sol in  Montana would be fully legal and not registered. As a note silencers were first used before the 007 movies as a device to enable one to hunt without disturbing neighbors and scaring game. They were also useful as devices to control noise when practicing so as to not disturb the neighbors.

Silencers work best with a bolt-action rifle. There is a long barrel and the chamber is closed tight so as to direct all the gases though the silencer at the tip of the barrel. Semi-auto pistols and revolvers do not really muffle the sound very well except on the silver screen. The revolvers bleed gas out with the sound all over the place. The semi-auto pistols bleed the gases out when the slide recoils back.

Silencers are maybe nice for snipers picking off enemy soldiers even though they reduce velocity but not very practical for hit men shooting pistols in crowded places. Silencers were useful tools for gun enthusiasts and hunters.

There would be no firearm registration, serial numbers, criminal records check, waiting periods or paperwork required. So in a short period of time there would be millions and millions of unregistered untraceable guns in  Montana . Way to go  Montana !
Discussion - Let us see what Obama does. If he hits  Montana hard they will probably vote to secede from the  USA . The governor of  Texas has already been refusing Federal money because he does not want to agree to the conditions that go with it and he has been saying secession is a right they have as sort of a threat.. Things are no longer the same with the  USA . Do not be deceived by Obama acting as if all is the same, it is not.






Text of the New Law HOUSE BILL NO. 246
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INTRODUCED BY J. BONIEK, BENNETT, BUTCHER, CURTISS, RANDALL, WARBURTON
AN ACT EXEMPTING FROM FEDERAL REGULATION UNDER THE COMMERCE CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES A FIREARM, A FIREARM ACCESSORY, OR AMMUNITION MANUFACTURED AND RETAINED IN  MONTANA ; AND PROVIDING AN APPLICABILITY DATE.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF  MONTANA :
Section 1. Short title. [Sections 1 through 6] may be cited as the "Montana Firearms Freedom Act".
Section 2. Legislative declarations of authority. The legislature declares that the authority for [sections 1 through 6] is the following:
(1) The 10th amendment to the  United States constitution guarantees to the states and their people all powers not granted to the federal government elsewhere in the constitution and reserves to the state and people of  Montana certain powers as they were understood at the time that  Montana was admitted to statehood in 1889. The guaranty of those powers is a matter of contract between the state and people of  Montana and the  United States as of the time that the compact with the  United States was agreed upon and adopted by  Montana and the  United States in 1889.
(2) The ninth amendment to the  United States constitution guarantees to the people rights not granted in the constitution and reserves to the people of Montana certain rights, as they were understood at the time that  Montana was admitted to statehood in 1889. The guaranty of those rights is a matter of contract between the state and people of  Montana and the  United States as of the time that the compact with the  United States was agreed upon and adopted by  Montana and the  United States in 1889.
(3) The regulation of intrastate commerce is vested in the states under the 9th and 10th amendments to the  United States constitution, particularly if not expressly preempted by federal law. Congress has not expressly preempted state regulation of intrastate commerce pertaining to the manufacture on an intrastate basis of firearms, firearms accessories, and ammunition.
(4) The second amendment to the United States constitution reserves to the people the right to keep and bear arms as that right was understood at the time that Montana was admitted to statehood in 1889, and the guaranty of the right is a matter of contract between the state and people of Montana and the United States as of the time that the compact with the United States was agreed upon and adopted by Montana and the United States in 1889.
(5) Article II, section 12, of the  Montana constitution clearly secures to  Montana citizens, and prohibits government interference with, the right of individual  Montana citizens to keep and bear arms. This constitutional protection is unchanged from the 1889  Montana constitution, which was approved by congress and the people of  Montana , and the right exists, as it was understood at the time that the compact with the  United States was agreed upon and adopted by  Montana and the  United States in 1889.
Section 3. Definitions. As used in [sections 1 through 6], the following definitions apply:
(1) "Borders of  Montana " means the boundaries of  Montana described in Article I, section 1, of the 1889  Montana constitution.
(2) "Firearms accessories" means items that are used in conjunction with or mounted upon a firearm but are not essential to the basic function of a firearm, including but not limited to telescopic or laser sights, magazines, flash or sound suppressors, folding or aftermarket stocks and grips, speedloaders, ammunition carriers, and lights for target illumination.
(3) "Generic and insignificant parts" includes but is not limited to springs, screws, nuts, and pins.
(4) "Manufactured" means that a firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition has been created from basic materials for functional usefulness, including but not limited to forging, casting, machining, or other processes for working materials.
Section 4. Prohibitions. A personal firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition that is manufactured commercially or privately in Montana and that remains within the borders of Montana is not subject to federal law or federal regulation, including registration, under the authority of congress to regulate interstate commerce. It is declared by the legislature that those items have not traveled in interstate commerce. This section applies to a firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition that is manufactured in  Montana from basic materials and that can be manufactured without the inclusion of any significant parts imported from another state. Generic and insignificant parts that have other manufacturing or consumer product applications are not firearms, firearms accessories, or ammunition, and their importation into  Montana and incorporation into a firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition manufactured in  Montana does not subject the firearm, firearm accessory, or ammunition to federal regulation. It is declared by the legislature that basic materials, such as unmachined steel and unshaped wood, are not firearms, firearms accessories, or ammunition and are not subject to congressional authority to regulate firearms, firearms accessories, and ammunition under interstate commerce as if they were actually firearms, firearms accessories, or ammunition. The authority of congress to regulate interstate commerce in basic materials does not include authority to regulate firearms, firearms accessories, and ammunition made in  Montana from those materials. Firearms accessories that are imported into  Montana from another state and that are subject to federal regulation as being in interstate commerce do not subject a firearm to federal regulation under interstate commerce because they are attached to or used in conjunction with a firearm in  Montana ...
Section 5. Exceptions. [Section 4] does not apply to:
(1) A firearm that cannot be carried and used by one person;
(2) A firearm that has a bore diameter greater than 1 1/2 inches and that uses smokeless powder, not black powder, as a propellant;
(3) ammunition with a projectile that explodes using an explosion of chemical energy after the projectile leaves the firearm; or
(4) a firearm that discharges two or more projectiles with one activation of the trigger or other firing device.
Section 6. Marketing of firearms. A firearm manufactured or sold in  Montana under [sections 1 through 6] must have the words "Made in  Montana " clearly stamped on a central metallic part, such as the receiver or frame.
Section 7. Codification instruction. [Sections 1 through 6] are intended to be codified as an integral part of Title 30, and the provisions of Title 30 apply to [sections 1 through 6].
Section 8. Applicability. [This act] applies to firearms, firearms accessories, and ammunition that are manufactured, as defined in [section 3], and retained in  Montana after October 1, 2009.   
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This ought to be fun to watch..... ;)

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Since when did the  USA start following their own laws especially the constitution of the  USA , the very document that empowers the  USA .

Emagine that :o
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if some one other then hillary had balls in washington, this could get intresting...too bad there is not.  
 

 I have a feeling like the there are going to lots of ATF and FBI agent roaming Montana...  Unless the SC changes its long standing rulling(s) about taxs  there is no chance in hell your going to win your court case.
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I wouldn't want to be the first guy maufacturing or selling silencers or machine guns in Montana, but I will be rooting for them. Unfortunately, I think we will all be kicking in $50 for a legal defense fund. :P
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I wouldn't want to be the first guy maufacturing or selling silencers or machine guns in Montana, but I will be rooting for them. Unfortunately, I think we will all be kicking in $50 for a legal defense fund. :P
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not from me...you knew it was against the law and you did it anyways.


its not just guns I feel this way about...  I feel exactly the same about the medical pot people.    I don't see this as civil disobedience.  Just as I don't see tree huggers that chain themselfs up to  logging trucks as civil disobedience. 
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Silencers, that was the main focus of Shooting Gallery to night.
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All you Texas boys need to call or email you state legislator representative about this.  HB 1863.

http://www.legis.state.tx.us/BillLookup/History.aspx?LegSess=81R&Bill=HB1863

Its a copy and paste of the Montana bill.

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not from me...you knew it was against the law and you did it anyways.


its not just guns I feel this way about...  I feel exactly the same about the medical pot people.    I don't see this as civil disobedience.  Just as I don't see tree huggers that chain themselfs up to  logging trucks as civil disobedience. 

Hitler had laws against Jews and allowing him to imprison all manner of people, from queers to gypsies to intellectuals who didn't agree with him. Bho has a law allowing him to make $2 trillion disappear without an accounting. So we should obey all laws? Even the feds don't obey laws, and as I posted elsewhere, the local gendarmerie (some of them anyhow) prefer to be safe instead of obeying the laws.

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This bill also past this year. It should cover all self defence situations.

HOUSE BILL NO. 228


 

AN ACT PRESERVING AND CLARIFYING LAWS RELATING TO THE RIGHT OF SELF-DEFENSE AND THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS; AMENDING SECTIONS 45-3-103, 45-8-321, AND 46-6-502, MCA; AND PROVIDING AN IMMEDIATE EFFECTIVE DATE.

 

     WHEREAS, the Legislature declares that:

     (1) the right of Montanans to defend their lives and liberties, as provided in Article II, section 3, of the Montana Constitution, and their right to keep or bear arms in defense of their homes, persons, and property, as provided in Article II, section 12, of the Montana Constitution, are fundamental and may not be called into question;

     (2) the use of firearms for self-defense is recognized within the right reserved to the individual people of Montana in Article II, section 12, of the Montana Constitution;

     (3) self-defense is a natural right under section 1-2-104, MCA, and is included in sections 49-1-101 and 49-1-103, MCA;

     (4) the lawful use of firearms for self-defense is not a crime or an offense against the people of the state;

     (5) in a criminal case in which self-defense is asserted, the burden of proof is as provided in [section 10];

     (6) in self-defense, the use of justifiable force discourages violent crime and prevents victimization; and

     (7) the purpose of [sections 1 through 3] is to clarify and secure the ability of the people to protect themselves.

 

BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF MONTANA:

 

     Section 1.  No duty to summon help or flee. Except as provided in 45-3-105, a person who is lawfully in a place or location and who is threatened with bodily injury or loss of life has no duty to retreat from a threat or summon law enforcement assistance prior to using force. The provisions of this section apply to a person offering evidence of justifiable use of force under 45-3-102, 45-3-103, or 45-3-104.

 

     Section 2.  Openly carrying weapon -- display -- exemption. (1) Any person who is not otherwise prohibited from doing so by federal or state law may openly carry a weapon and may communicate to another person the fact that the person has a weapon.

     (2) If a person reasonably believes that the person or another person is threatened with bodily harm, the person may warn or threaten the use of force, including deadly force, against the aggressor, including drawing or presenting a weapon.

     (3) This section does not limit the authority of the board of regents or other postsecondary institutions to regulate the carrying of weapons, as defined in 45-8-361(5)(b), on their campuses.

 

     Section 3.  Investigation of alleged offense involving claim of justifiable use of force. When an investigation is conducted by a peace officer of an incident that appears to have or is alleged to have involved justifiable use of force, the investigation must be conducted so as to disclose all evidence, including testimony concerning the alleged offense and that might support the apparent or alleged justifiable use of force.

 

     Section 4.  Section 45-3-103, MCA, is amended to read:

     "45-3-103.  Use of force in defense of occupied structure. (1) A person is justified in the use of force or threat to use force against another when and to the extent that he the person reasonably believes that such conduct the use of force is necessary to prevent or terminate such the other's unlawful entry into or attack upon an occupied structure. However, he

     (2) A person justified in the use of force pursuant to subsection (1) is justified in the use of force likely to cause death or serious bodily harm only if:

     (1)(a)  the entry is made or attempted in violent, riotous, or tumultuous manner and he the person reasonably believes that such the force is necessary to prevent an assault upon or offer of personal violence to him the person or another then in the occupied structure; or

     (2)(b)  he the person reasonably believes that such the force is necessary to prevent the commission of a forcible felony in the occupied structure."

 

     Section 5.  Firearm not to be destroyed. If a firearm possessed by a law enforcement agency was not purchased by the agency for agency use, if it is legal for a private person to own and possess the firearm, and if the legal owner cannot be determined by the agency, the agency may not destroy the firearm and shall sell the firearm to a licensed dealer. The proceeds of the sale must be deposited in the general fund of the governmental entity of which the agency is a part.

 

     Section 6.  Landlords and tenants -- no firearm prohibition allowed. A landlord or operator of a hotel or motel may not, by contract or otherwise, prevent a tenant or a guest of a tenant from possessing on the premises a firearm that it is legal for the tenant or guest to possess. A landlord or operator of a hotel or motel may prohibit the discharge of a firearm on the premises except in self-defense.

 

     Section 7.  Section 45-8-321, MCA, is amended to read:

     "45-8-321.  Permit to carry concealed weapon. (1) A county sheriff shall, within 60 days after the filing of an application, issue a permit to carry a concealed weapon to the applicant. The permit is valid for 4 years from the date of issuance. An applicant must be a United States citizen who is 18 years of age or older and who holds a valid Montana driver's license or other form of identification issued by the state that has a picture of the person identified. An applicant must have been a resident of the state for at least 6 months. Except as provided in subsection (2), this privilege may not be denied an applicant unless the applicant:

     (a)  is ineligible under Montana or federal law to own, possess, or receive a firearm;

     (b)  has been charged and is awaiting judgment in any state of a state or federal crime that is punishable by incarceration for 1 year or more;

     (c)  subject to the provisions of subsection (6), has been convicted in any state or federal court of:

     (i) a crime punishable by more than 1 year of incarceration or,; or

     (ii) regardless of the sentence that may be imposed, a crime that includes as an element of the crime an act, attempted act, or threat of intentional homicide, violence, bodily or serious bodily harm, unlawful restraint, sexual abuse, or sexual intercourse or contact without consent;

     (d)  has been convicted under 45-8-327 or 45-8-328, unless the applicant has been pardoned or 5 years have elapsed since the date of the conviction;

     (e)  has a warrant of any state or the federal government out for the applicant's arrest;

     (f)  has been adjudicated in a criminal or civil proceeding in any state or federal court to be an unlawful user of an intoxicating substance and is under a court order of imprisonment or other incarceration, probation, suspended or deferred imposition of sentence, treatment or education, or other conditions of release or is otherwise under state supervision;

     (g)  has been adjudicated in a criminal or civil proceeding in any state or federal court to be mentally ill, mentally defective, or mentally disabled and is still subject to a disposition order of that court; or

     (h)  was dishonorably discharged from the United States armed forces.

     (2)  The sheriff may deny an applicant a permit to carry a concealed weapon if the sheriff has reasonable cause to believe that the applicant is mentally ill, mentally defective, or mentally disabled or otherwise may be a threat to the peace and good order of the community to the extent that the applicant should not be allowed to carry a concealed weapon. At the time an application is denied, the sheriff shall, unless the applicant is the subject of an active criminal investigation, give the applicant a written statement of the reasonable cause upon which the denial is based.

     (3)  An applicant for a permit under this section must, as a condition to issuance of the permit, be required by the sheriff to demonstrate familiarity with a firearm by:

     (a)  completion of a hunter education or safety course approved or conducted by the department of fish, wildlife, and parks or a similar agency of another state;

     (b)  completion of a firearms safety or training course approved or conducted by the department of fish, wildlife, and parks, a similar agency of another state, a national firearms association, a law enforcement agency, an institution of higher education, or an organization that uses instructors certified by a national firearms association;

     (c)  completion of a law enforcement firearms safety or training course offered to or required of public or private law enforcement personnel and conducted or approved by a law enforcement agency;

     (d)  possession of a license from another state to carry a firearm, concealed or otherwise, that is granted by that state upon completion of a course described in subsections (3)(a) through (3)(c); or

     (e)  evidence that the applicant, during military service, was found to be qualified to operate firearms, including handguns.

     (4)  A photocopy of a certificate of completion of a course described in subsection (3), an affidavit from the entity or instructor that conducted the course attesting to completion of the course, or a copy of any other document that attests to completion of the course and can be verified through contact with the entity or instructor that conducted the course creates a presumption that the applicant has completed a course described in subsection (3).

     (5)  If the sheriff and applicant agree, the requirement in subsection (3) of demonstrating familiarity with a firearm may be satisfied by the applicant's passing, to the satisfaction of the sheriff or of any person or entity to which the sheriff delegates authority to give the test, a physical test in which the applicant demonstrates the applicant's familiarity with a firearm.

     (6) A person, except a person referred to in subsection (1)(c)(ii), who has been convicted of a felony and whose rights have been restored pursuant to Article II, section 28, of the Montana constitution is entitled to issuance of a concealed weapons permit if otherwise eligible."

 

     Section 8.  Section 46-6-502, MCA, is amended to read:

     "46-6-502.  Arrest by private person. (1) A private person may arrest another when there is probable cause to believe that the person is committing or has committed an offense and the existing circumstances require the person's immediate arrest. The private person may use reasonable force to detain the arrested person.

     (2)  A private person making an arrest shall immediately notify the nearest available law enforcement agency or peace officer and give custody of the person arrested to the officer or agency."

 

     Section 9.  Justifiable use of force -- burden of proof. In a criminal trial, when the defendant has offered evidence of justifiable use of force, the state has the burden of proving beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant's actions were not justified.

 

     Section 10.  Codification instruction. (1) [Sections 1 through 3] are intended to be codified as an integral part of Title 45, chapter 3, part 1, and the provisions of Title 45, chapter 3, part 1, apply to [sections 1 through 3].

     (2) [Section 5] is intended to be codified as an integral part of Title 46, chapter 5, part 3, and the provisions of Title 46, chapter 5, part 3, apply to [section 5].

     (3) [Section 6] is intended to be codified as an integral part of Title 70, chapter 24, part 1, and the provisions of Title 70, chapter 24, part 1, apply to [section 6].

     (4) [Section 9] is intended to be codified as an integral part of Title 46, chapter 16, part 1, and the provisions of Title 46, chapter 16, part 1, apply to [section 9].

 

     Section 11.  Effective date. [This act] is effective on passage and approval.

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