Author Topic: Out-of-control EV blaze threatens to sink yet another massive car-carrying ship  (Read 568 times)

Big Frank

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Like the title says. But, electric vehicles are good for the environment, right? Lithium batteries belong in flashlights, not cars, but Teslas use 18650 batteries just like my flashlights. They use over 7,000 of them if I recall correctly, instead of 1 like a flashlight, and if one shorts out and catches fire, it starts a chain reaction. This guy makes good points most of the time.


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There are different formulations of lithium batteries.  In looking at solar systems the ones there are LiFePo, lithium, iron, phosphate which is not self sustaining in a fire.  Car batteries are a different animal though.
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My friends' RC boats and cars all use LiFePo batteries. I never heard of them until a few years back when one guy mentioned that's what kind they were. The battery packs are several smaller batteries like flashlight batteries wired together. Lithium nickel manganese cobalt oxide, Lithium nickel cobalt aluminum oxide, Lithium nickel cobalt manganese aluminum oxide, and Lithium ion manganese oxide batteries are all used in Electric vehicles or Hybrid electric vehicles. Notice how most of them have cobalt in them? Lithium iron phosphate batteries are used in Segways among other places, so they won't go Dutch Oven on you. Lithium cobalt oxide batteries used in laptops and lots of other places. LiPo is a rechargeable battery of lithium-ion technology using a polymer electrolyte instead of a liquid electrolyte. They're used in cellphones and other places where you want high energy and no liquid.

A few things about Cobalt and Cobalt poisoning. I won't get into the radioisotopes. Cobalt is an essential element for health in animals in minute amounts as a component of vitamin B12. A deficiency of cobalt, which is very rare, is also potentially lethal, leading to pernicious anemia. Cobalt poisoning is intoxication caused by excessive levels of cobalt in the body. Exposure to cobalt metal dust is most common in the fabrication of tungsten carbide. Another source is from wear and tear of certain metal-on-metal hip prostheses. Per the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC), cobalt metal with tungsten carbide is "probably carcinogenic to humans" (IARC Group 2A Agent), whereas cobalt metal without tungsten carbide is "possibly carcinogenic to humans" (IARC Group 2B Agent). The LD50 value for soluble cobalt salts has been estimated to be between 150 and 500 mg/kg. Thus, for a 100 kg person the LD50 would be about 20 grams. Soluble cobalt(II) salts are "possibly carcinogenic to humans" (IARC Group 2B Agents).

In August 1965, a person presented to a hospital in Quebec City with symptoms suggestive of alcoholic cardiomyopathy. Over the next eight months, fifty more cases with similar findings appeared in the same area with twenty of these being fatal. It was noted that all were heavy drinkers who mostly drank beer and preferred the Dow brand; thirty out of those drank more than 6 litres (12 pints) of beer per day. Epidemiological studies found that Dow had been adding cobalt sulfate to the beer for foam stability since July 1965 and that the concentration added in the Quebec city brewery was ten times that of the same beer brewed in Montreal where there were no reported cases. A 1972 paper noted that several dozen cases were also identified over a similar time period in Omaha, Nebraska; Minneapolis, Minnesota; and Belgium.

Plants, animals, and humans can all be affected by high cobalt concentrations in the environment. For plants, the uptake and distribution of cobalt is entirely species-specific. In some species of plants, the overaccumulation of cobalt can lead to an iron deficiency. This in turn leads to poor growth of the plant as well as leaf loss which overall decreases the amount of oxygen produced by plants during photosynthesis. Eventually the deficiency would lead to plant death. One such example was seen in an experiment involving the effects of increased cobalt concentration on tomato plants. As the dosage of cobalt in the soil surrounding the plants increased, so too did the rate of necrosis of the leaves of the tomato plant. Over time this led to an inability of the plant to produce fruit and eventually the plant died.
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Burn baby burn....

BTW, I like the 8% cobalt bits the best for long life when drilling metal....
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