Where does the hatred of guns come from?

[MLC]

Really? Dude, if you think the Mitt Romney wing of the GOP is pro-gun, and Dems like Harry Reid and Max Baucus give a damn about Sarah Brady, you seriously need to pull your head out of your ass. It ain't about party. Guns are no more a partisan issue than abortion or gay rights or the drug war. If you try to make them one you'll alinate allies. There are individualists and collectivists in both parties. If you leave the party labels out of it, they will unite on either side of these fundamental issues that revolve around individual rights versus state control. We can argue over FP, healthcare, and the tax code, but when you come for my guns, or try to tell a woman she can't control her own body, or dictate who I can sleep with, or what I can ingest? Then we have issues, and party has nothing to do with it. Don't buy into the big lie that the two parties cover the spectrum of American political thought.

What you highlighted was "(aka the Ministry of Truth, a wholly owned subsidiary of the DNC)".  This was an indictment of the MSM specifically, and how they are in the tank for the DNC.  It was also said with tongue in cheek.
 
I didn't say that there aren't collectivist Republicans or individualist Democrats, that there aren't pro-gun Democrats and anti-gun Republicans, anything about abortion, drugs, healthcare, who you sleep with, or taxes.  Believe me, fellow forum member, I know there is a LOT more to political philosophy than the two major parties in American politics at the moment.

To quote Dr. Evil, "Take it down a notch, Scotty".  This was also, in the interests of preventing thread drift, said with tongue in cheek.

[billt]

Guns are no more a partisan issue than abortion or gay rights or the drug war.

Come on, you can't possibly be that far off the rails? Democrats are the party of gun banning. Always have been, and always will be. You want proof? Look at all of the major gun legislation that is currently on the books. All of it comes from Democratic governed states, or else was sponsored by, and voted into law by DEMOCRATS.

The National Firearms Act of 1934, the Dodd Bill of 1968, The Brady Law of 1993, and the Assault Weapons Ban of 1994, Were ALL produced by DEMOCRATS. Look further at the states with the strictest gun control laws. Illinois, New York, Massachusetts, California. Every one of them is run by socialist, gun banning Democrats, and has been for years.

I'm not saying that Mitt Romney or John McCain are the most pro gun guys around. Or there are no pro gun Democrats. But the Republican Party does not support gun control as a major plank in it's platform. So even if one of their candidates introduced it, there would be no support of it in their party for it to go anywhere. This has been proven over time, so please don't tell me otherwise. Show me one major piece of gun legislation that came into being strictly because of Republicans? There isn't one.

I get so tired of hearing this same old lame crap, of how some Republican candidate is "no better" than the gun banning Democrat they oppose. IT IS THE PARTY, NOT THE CANDIDATE!.

[tombogan03884]

Come on, you can't possibly be that far off the rails? Democrats are the party of gun banning. Always have been, and always will be. You want proof? Look at all of the major gun legislation that is currently on the books. All of it comes from Democratic governed states, or else was sponsored by, and voted into law by DEMOCRATS.

The National Firearms Act of 1934, the Dodd Bill of 1968, The Brady Law of 1993, and the Assault Weapons Ban of 1994, Were ALL produced by DEMOCRATS. Look further at the states with the strictest gun control laws. Illinois, New York, Massachusetts, California. Every one of them is run by socialist, gun banning Democrats, and has been for years.

I'm not saying that Mitt Romney or John McCain are the most pro gun guys around. Or there are no pro gun Democrats. But the Republican Party does not support gun control as a major plank in it's platform. So even if one of their candidates introduced it, there would be no support of it in their party for it to go anywhere. This has been proven over time, so please don't tell me otherwise. Show me one major piece of gun legislation that came into being strictly because of Republicans? There isn't one.

I get so tired of hearing this same old lame crap, of how some Republican candidate is "no better" than the gun banning Democrat they oppose. IT IS THE PARTY, NOT THE CANDIDATE!.

It's FQ you're replying to, he most definitely CAN be that far off the rails .

[Rastus]

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But why do they hate guns so much and why is it that the vast majority of gun haters are liberal Statists? What is the root source of this hatred?
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I no longer care what their reasons are.  I do not debate them I ridicule them loudly in public.  

[crusader rabbit]

Maybe I can get this thread to drift back toward the original topic...

When I was but a lad, my best friend's dad was a retired US Army Major.   He'd fought in WWII and in Korea.  He checked electric sockets by putting his finger in the hole.  He was a man, proven in battle, and confident in himself. 

He raised his son the same confident and self-reliant way, and his kid was my pal. 

He and I and our friends played at war with the Japanese, war with the Germans, cowboys and Indians (which was war with the natives).  Guns were a vital part of that play.

We all carried pocket knives and we respected what they could do.  Of course, that didn't stop us from playing mumbly-peg or getting the occasional cut thumb.

Most of us got BB guns around age 7, and .22s when we turned 12 or 13.  We respected what those weapons could do, too.

Depending on the relative "wealth" of the families involved, when we turned 16, we might get a 30-30 or a .30-06, or maybe a shotgun if the men in the family tended to be bird hunters.  My folks didn't have that kind of cash, so I depended on guns borrowed from my Uncle Jack when larger calibers were required.

Point is, that's how it went until the '60s when the socialists and commies took advantage of an unpopular war and the "make love not war" movement to make guns singularly unattractive to the up and coming generation.

I'm not sure how I managed to escape that idiocy except that I had been raised by freedom-loving parents who understood the value of defending that freedom from aggressors foreign or domestic. 

I ended up volunteering for military service when some of my fellow college students headed off to Canada or joined the Quakers and became conscientious objectors.

By the time I got back to the world, John Kerry had explained to America that our military killed babies and raped women.  I and my fellow vets had the joy of being called murderers and having panty-waist sissy-boys (and girls) spit at us.  If we owned any guns, we kept it quiet.  Looking back, I am embarrassed to say that the commies won that encounter--they made us feel a bit ashamed that we owned firearms.  And it was at this time in our lives that we ended up settling down and raising kids--who probably were not introduced to guns because of our manufactured shame. 

And that, I think, is where the hatred of firearms started.  It was then reinforced and compounded by girly-boy TV stars like Alan Alda who starred in M.A.S.H., which may have been the only show about a war where no guns were fired.  It was fueled by lefty Hollywood elitists who always know better than you do what choice you should make--and none of those choices would involve firearms.  And it was cemented by the leftists realization that guns represent the power of a free people to determine how much crap they would take from the elitists. 

They had to strip away all that power so no one could rebel against their Statists' agenda. 

For them, and for us, it was and is a matter of self-preservation.

And that's why they hate guns, gun owners, God, religion, reason, rational thought, freedom, capitalism, and the list goes on...

Of course, this is not a detailed nor complete history of the development of gun hatred in the US of A.  I left out the part about leaving God out of everything.  After all, you cannot have God-given rights if there is no God, now can you?  And I left out the part about the decline in morality and the dissolution of the two-parent household.  Candice Bergen's character Murphy Brown having a kid out of wedlock stamped out the final shame in producing a bastard kid...

Well, it's getting late and I need to relinquish the soap box.

Stay steady and strong, my friends.  Be vigilant.  Keep your weapons close and loaded.  Embrace family and friends who embrace freedom.  With some luck, we may be able to pass our guns down to our grandkids.

Crusader Rabbit

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[JLawson]

Excellent commentary, CR.  Thank you.

[fightingquaker13]

Come on, you can't possibly be that far off the rails? Democrats are the party of gun banning. Always have been, and always will be. You want proof? Look at all of the major gun legislation that is currently on the books. All of it comes from Democratic governed states, or else was sponsored by, and voted into law by DEMOCRATS.

The National Firearms Act of 1934, the Dodd Bill of 1968, The Brady Law of 1993, and the Assault Weapons Ban of 1994, Were ALL produced by DEMOCRATS. Look further at the states with the strictest gun control laws. Illinois, New York, Massachusetts, California. Every one of them is run by socialist, gun banning Democrats, and has been for years.

I'm not saying that Mitt Romney or John McCain are the most pro gun guys around. Or there are no pro gun Democrats. But the Republican Party does not support gun control as a major plank in it's platform. So even if one of their candidates introduced it, there would be no support of it in their party for it to go anywhere. This has been proven over time, so please don't tell me otherwise. Show me one major piece of gun legislation that came into being strictly because of Republicans? There isn't one.

I get so tired of hearing this same old lame crap, of how some Republican candidate is "no better" than the gun banning Democrat they oppose. IT IS THE PARTY, NOT THE CANDIDATE!.

Really? How about the NY gun ban law that was first passed by a GOP controlled Senate? Or Chris Cristie's views on guns? And then there are Michael Bloomberg's who was a a Republican and will be again if he decides to run for national office? And as for a major piece of legislation? Well, how about that the fact that that you can't own an FA fire arm made after 1986, and that's courtesy of Ronald Reagan. Questions? Comments?
FQ13

[billt]

Really? How about the NY gun ban law that was first passed by a GOP controlled Senate? Or Chris Cristie's views on guns? And then there are Michael Bloomberg's who was a a Republican and will be again if he decides to run for national office? And as for a major piece of legislation? Well, how about that the fact that that you can't own an FA fire arm made after 1986, and that's courtesy of Ronald Reagan. Questions? Comments?
FQ13

All true. But it in fact changes nothing. Democrats are still the ones who start screaming gun control 5 minutes after the last shot is fired in all of these mass shootings. Why? Because it's the missing piece that fits into their communist political agenda. They know they can't pass total bans. So they chip away, using each and every opportunity that presents itself to do so. Sandy Hook was one of many in a long list. They did much the same after Columbine, and Virginia Tech. Dianne Feinstein herself was asked over a year ago if she would introduce another Assault Weapons Ban. Her reply at the time was, "This is not the time." She was right then. Now it is the time, and she was right there to jump all over it like stink on dog $h!t. She actually said in an interview that the legislation was all prepared, and sitting in a drawer, all ready and waiting.

This is what Democrats do. They have always done it, and they will continue to do it, because their ultimate goal is to totally disarm this country. As was said. The Democrats are control freaks. And gun control has nothing to do with guns, and everything to do with a big, powerful, and CONTROLLING government. And you left out Bush 41's E.O. banning Chinese imported weapons, including the Poly Tech AK-47 Models as well as the Norinco M1-A's among them.

[billt]

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/01/23/does-un-arms-trade-treaty-figure-in-obama-administrations-gun-control-plans/

How many Republicans do you hear or see speaking out in favor of this?

[tombogan03884]

FQ uses a typical progressive debate tactic.
He tries to equate the actions of a few anomalous RINO individuals with the stated intentions of an entire party .
He is not effectively debating anything, he is simply trying to salvage something of value from his years in the socialist world of academia.