My thoughts on 1911 carry

[Michael Bane]

Some thoughts here...when Glocks first came into the country,they came in with relatively light triggers. Since the Glocks were the first popular striker-fired no-manually operated safety pistol, there were a spate of ADs as the guns were first integrated into law enforcement. I was one of the only gunwriters to flag the potential safety issues at that time (for which I took a substantial ration of 'Schumer'). Glock heavied up the production triggers shortly thereafter, and the rest is history.

I generally agree that some firearms lend themselves to the "expert carry" category for one reason or the other — the 1911 for a relatively complex manual of arms; a light-triggered Glock or any striker-fired pistol with a trigger-mounted safety and a light trigger pull, an H-K squeeze-cocker because of its non-intuitive cocking system. However, I strongly agree that any gun is dangerous if you don't understand how to manipulate it!

However, the 4 Rules solve all safety problems. I handle a lot of weird guns...some that cause me to say, what the heck? But the 4 Rules provide an absolute way for handling guns safely!

Michael B

[PegLeg45]

Some thoughts here...when Glocks first came into the country,they came in with relatively light triggers. Since the Glocks were the first popular striker-fired no-manually operated safety pistol, there were a spate of ADs as the guns were first integrated into law enforcement. I was one of the only gunwriters to flag the potential safety issues at that time (for which I took a substantial ration of 'Schumer'). Glock heavied up the production triggers shortly thereafter, and the rest is history.

I generally agree that some firearms lend themselves to the "expert carry" category for one reason or the other — the 1911 for a relatively complex manual of arms; a light-triggered Glock or any striker-fired pistol with a trigger-mounted safety and a light trigger pull, an H-K squeeze-cocker because of its non-intuitive cocking system. However, I strongly agree that any gun is dangerous if you don't understand how to manipulate it!

However, the 4 Rules solve all safety problems. I handle a lot of weird guns...some that cause me to say, what the heck? But the 4 Rules provide an absolute way for handling guns safely!

Michael B

Amen, Brother......Well said.

[ratcatcher55]

Some thoughts here...when Glocks first came into the country,they came in with relatively light triggers. Since the Glocks were the first popular striker-fired no-manually operated safety pistol, there were a spate of ADs as the guns were first integrated into law enforcement. I was one of the only gunwriters to flag the potential safety issues at that time (for which I took a substantial ration of 'Schumer'). Glock heavied up the production triggers shortly thereafter, and the rest is history.

IMichael B

Michael,

AD's or ND's? I think there a huge difference. I have witnessed ND's with M9's and they may have the longest trigger pull known to mankind.
Michael I agree if you follow the 4 rules of firearms safety are the gold standard and can not be violated.

[darwin-t]

I've been watching for stories about ADs and NDs for the past 6 months. Glocks seem to be involved in more than their fair share. Having said that, we all know that 100% of them resulted from someone having their finger on the trigger when it shouldn't have been.

As for my story on my ND

http://negligentdischarge.com

Please be kind.

[Rob10ring]

The other day, I was informed that one of our city officers has been put on administrative leave for ND/AD with his duty Sig 220. Thankfully, no injuries. I'll bet he'd be the safest cop on the line now!

1911 -  Carrying a cocked and locked 1911 has to be about the safest method of carry. Pressure has to be applied in 3 directions. Back to front for the grip safety, down for the manual safety and front to back to press the trigger. But once you've had to draw your weapon is there a different story? How about threat management? The subject is complying with orders, and maybe a longer trigger pull would be beneficial in that high adrenaline situation. Maybe not. Mass Ayoob's given some examples in Combat Handguns. Could make the Para LDA the ultimate carry gun.

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[Fatman]

I've been watching for stories about ADs and NDs for the past 6 months. Glocks seem to be involved in more than their fair share. Having said that, we all know that 100% of them resulted from someone having their finger on the trigger when it shouldn't have been.

As for my story on my ND

http://negligentdischarge.com

Please be kind.

Ow. OW! Darn lucky the arteries didn't get severed. And the Hydra-shok fell apart and left frags in you to boot. What's up with that?

 I'm passing the site on to a retired NYPD cop buddy who routinely handles his loaded firearms with a devil-may-care attitude. Incidentally, he's the same guy who told me the NYPD specced their service GLOCKS at a minimum 11 lb trigger pull after multiple AD/ND.  And an aside - his service weapon, which was supposed to be sent to him was 'accidentally' destroyed last year under Bloomberg. How do you 'accidentally' retrieve a vouchered PO weapon and burn it?

[PegLeg45]

I've been watching for stories about ADs and NDs for the past 6 months. Glocks seem to be involved in more than their fair share. Having said that, we all know that 100% of them resulted from someone having their finger on the trigger when it shouldn't have been.

As for my story on my ND

http://negligentdischarge.com

Please be kind.

Thanks for sharing the link...I'm passing it on to all my shooting friends.

[darwin-t]

Ow. OW! Darn lucky the arteries didn't get severed. And the Hydra-shok fell apart and left frags in you to boot. What's up with that?

Actually an artery WAS severed. It fused with a vein. That's called a fistula. It swelled up into a pseudo aneurysm. Artery bypass surgery fixed that, it went back to a fistula. Fistula finally fixed (I hope) with an angiogram. They put 10 platinum coils in my leg to cut off blood flow to the fistula. Still no luck with the severed nerve. The whole story is detailed in the updates page. I carry Hornaday TAPs now.Same pistol.

[230therapy]

It depends on which side of the weapon you are on.  Besides, I just liked the irony of the statement.

The brain is one of the most unsafe weapons ever made.

[Big Frank]

I can carry my Para LDA UNcocked and locked which I believe makes it safer than any single action 1911 and most DAOs. To me it seems to have most of the advantages of conventional 1911s and DAO autos. Most DAOs don't even have a safety so there are accidents waiting to happen. I also have heard about a lot of Glocks going bang when they shouldn't. But if you hang your pistol by the trigger when sitting on the toilet, maybe you deserve to be shot in the @$$. Anyone who can't handle a pistol safely shouldn't carry one. Unfortunately most of these Glock accidents are happening to cops.