.357 Mag for Hunting???

[TAB]

I would say that the ranges at which you would use a open sited gun in 30-30 ( less then 150 yds, most likly less then 75)  you would not really see a diffrence in the two if you used simlar bullets. 

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I would say that the ranges at which you would use a open sited gun in 30-30 ( less then 150 yds, most likly less then 75)  you would not really see a diffrence in the two if you used simlar bullets. 

I used a 30-30 for years and yes, they have been one of the most prolific deer cartridges mainly because the Winchester 1894 was chambered for the 30-30 Winchester and they still sell an equivalent rifle today.  I would never take a shot outside of 100 yards with mine but in the northern Michigan woods, you didn't need too!

The differences are major between the two calibers and here's the numbers right off the Federal ammo site.

30-30 Win, 170 gr - Average Range 100 yards - Velocity is 1900 fps @100 yds - Energy of 1400 ft/lbs @ 100 yds

.357 Mag, 180 gr - Average Range 25 yds - Velocity is 1000 fps @ 25 yds - Energy of 400 ft/lbs @ 25 yds - Bullet Drop @ 100 yds is 9" and 10mph cross wind will push that bullet nearly 4"...

There is no comparison.  Obviously barrel length will make some differences but outside of 25-30 yards the .357 loses too much energy and it drops fast!

[Hazcat]

Timothy,

You are way off.  The bullet out of a rifle is MUCH different.

Federal 180 grain hp

 1550 fps at the muzzel / 1282 at 100 yards.  Energy is 960 at the muzzel / 657 at 100 yards.

If you zero at 50 yards (don't know why you wouldn't zero at 100) it only drops 2.9 inches at 100 and wind drift at 100 yards for 10mph cross wind is 3.5 inches

Here is the 30/30 for comparason.

170 grain rnsp

2200 at the muzzel 1895 at 100 yards.  Enery at the muzzel is 1827 / 1355

50 yard zero drops 2 inches at 100 yards and drifts 2 inches at 100 yards


To put it another way.....

Do you think you could kill a deer at 5 yards with a .357 handgun?  If so then you should have no trouble at 100 yards from a rifle as it has More velocity and More energy at 100 that a handgun does at the muzzel.

Handgun (180 hp)  muzzel 1080 and 466 ft pounds.

And if you zero that rifle in at 100 yards it is 1.4 high at 50 yards, 2.6 low at 125 and 6.7 low at 150.  And even at 150 yards ( 1177 / 554 ) there is still more velocity and energy than a handgun at the muzzel

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I'm not arguing Haz...I assumed he meant .357 handgun hunting!

I agree the same round out of carbine would be much better suited and comparable to the 30-30.  I was mearly quoting right from Federals velocity/energy charts off their website.  An expert I'm not and I defer to all y'alls experience....

Tim

 

[Hazcat]

Tim,

You probably didn't know but Ksail has a PUMA .357 lever rifle.  Didn't mean to sound like I was jumping down yer throat (sorry!).

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Tim,

You probably didn't know but Ksail has a PUMA .357 lever rifle.  Didn't mean to sound like I was jumping down yer throat (sorry!).

No apology necessary, we are all friends here...I learn more and more every day and a day without learning something is a wasted one!

T

[TSB]

Tim,

You probably didn't know but Ksail has a PUMA .357 lever rifle.  Didn't mean to sound like I was jumping down yer throat (sorry!).

I just googled PUMA .357 and Ksails gun porn pictures came up.  Nice rifle Ksail and forgive me but the light bulb above my head is slow on the uptake....   Kind of like those flourescent ones that take a while to warm up.....

Oh, and thanks for your service Trooper!!!...

[mward58]

357 Rifle: 158 Grain JSP Remington UMC's do fine Job with Whitetail

[Big Frank]

The 170 grain Gold Dot Soft Point should do quite well. First they take a Gold Dot Hollow Point and then they close it up to make it into a soft point so it penetrates deeper and opens up slower. The higher velocity you get in a rifle should make them open up faster than a handgun but still penetrate deeply.

[Ksail101]

Hey Tim- thank you for the kind words

And I have some UMC JSP .357s (i believe 158 gr)  here at the house and blasted a few off this last weekend and they definately had some pop to them. I have ran about 4 different kinds of ammo through my rifle and all have fired and fed fine. (Have I mentioned I much I love that rifle lately. Me and M&M are actually laying in bed here watching The Searchers.)