Firearm Confiscations in Greensburg, Kansas?

[Hazcat]

Watched the news last night out of Wichita (Ch 10) and according to the report  emergency personnel where picking up firearms that were found in the debris and taking them to a locked response trailer. People missing guns could come down and pick them up if they could describe them or had a serial number. Owners of missing firearms were shown on TV getting their firearms back. The firearms were only picked up to prevent looters from running off with them or from further damage of being left out in the weather.

Good!  I was hoping it was something like this.

[Teresa Heilevang]

People missing guns could come down and pick them up if they could describe them or had a serial number.

One of the main factors of them being able to get their guns back  was the fact that they lived in a teeny town.
My sister and her husband lived there for a couple years, and just moved out to the country about a year ago. Sherri still works as manager for the FSA office in Greensburg every day. ( or did) 
When you live in these small towns, everyone knows everyone, and the sheriff and law enforcement staff has generally known you and your family for generations. The same as here in Howard, where Marshal and I live. I have been here all my life as a 3rd generation and both my sons and their family's are starting the 4th generation. So the fact that you would likely lose all gun paperwork or proof of gun ownership in the tornado or floods or whatever, wouldn't matter. I could just go up and look at the guns that they had and pick mine out of there..and they would let me do that.

I ask our sheriff what he would do in a situation like this and he said probably have the people come to the office.. look at the guns.. pick the ones that they  thought were theirs... he would tag them as such , and leave them at the office for a week or 2  to see if there was anyone else that thought that they were theirs also.. If that was the case, then we would do a paperwork search on data bases... to try to find the registration etc..
 He said in this town  ( our pop. is 800) He didn't imagine we would have much problems with duplicate ownerships requests, as everyone is pretty much honest
 ( Pretty much)
The other downside in towns where they don't know everyone is the fact that there will be many guns that have been in the family forever and have passed down. These don't have # on them and any kind of paperwork for ownership would probably have blown to BFE.
Of course in the city, you would have likely have tons of problems with the getting the guns back anyway.

I don't know exactly the system that Greensburg is using but I know that in our small Kansas towns , our guns are in our trucks  most of the time whether we are feeding cattle or going to the cafe to have coffee, but all the rest are at the house.. but still everyone knows who has guns all the time.. so I imagine that the problems will be minimal in getting them back.

[Dakotaranger]

This is why I have copies of my SN at a couple of different secure locations

[Marshal Halloway]

Posted on http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com
Nurse With Guns
Wednesday, April 02, 2008

Greensburg Gun Confiscations
By Patricia A. Stoneking

I would like to start this report by noting that I have personally spoke with several sources who were directly involved in the incidents that I am about to report that took place in Greensburg, KS in the aftermath of the horrible CAT 5 tornado that ravaged and destroyed that town. I will not be divulging their names in this article as they have requested I not do so.

The first thing I would like for everyone to acknowledge is that the residents of Greensburg were forced to evacuate and that, in and of itself, was an illegal action as martial law had not been declared. There were many people who wanted to stay and they were threatened with arrest and forcible removal if they did not leave as ordered. The tornado happened at 9:46pm on Friday evening, May 4, 2007 and they were forced to leave within a couple hours of it, being given no time to collect themselves or assess the damages or even try to pick up anything such as guns and valuables. Ed Klummp, Police Chiefs Association, testified at the House committee hearing with a position opposing The Emergency Powers Act and said the evacuations were so they could search for bodies and shut off gas and power and that the evacuation was for the safety of the residents. I have been told by a reliable source that the electricity was shut off prior to the tornado striking and the gas was shut off within a few hours after. It would seem that the evacuation was not necessary in light of that information. Perhaps the position should have been that those who want to leave be provided a way to do so and those who wish to stay be allowed to stay.

This town was locked down tight for several days and no one was allowed in or out. The only people in that town during this time were Sheriffs Officers, Kansas Highway Patrol Officers, ATF, FEMA, National Guard, Police Officers from surrounding areas and some volunteers from Ft. Riley, generally speaking, government officials. Authorities claim no one else was there or could have gotten in or out. Interestingly enough, I have been told repeatedly by all sources that the media was allowed to roam freely without escorts through Greensburg. Shall we ask why residents were not allowed to stay on their own property but media was allowed unfettered access?

Many guns and other valuables such as jewelry have gone permanently missing and have never been recovered. There were some houses that were not destroyed and were intact and habitable. Those folks did not want to leave but were forced to do so. When they returned they found their houses had been broken in to and all of their guns missing. One gentleman reports that when he went to claim his guns, taken from his secure home, they were returned to him in damaged condition. They were not damaged by the tornado. They were locked up in his home and illegally confiscated. So how do we suppose that damage occurred?

Guns and ammunition that were collected were taken to a trailer and an ATF agent manned the trailer. When people first came to collect their guns they were asked for proof of ownership such as receipts and serial number lists and they had to fill out a 4473 and get a NICS approval before they could claim their guns. No one had paperwork, receipts, or lists of serial numbers because it had all blown away. Later into the process they quit demanding these items and asked only for a list with make, model and description of the firearm. In one case, in the collection trailer, a gun case was claimed by one man who had a very nice trap shotgun in it and when he opened the undamaged and closed case, he found not his nice BT99 but another damaged gun that did not belong to him. That $1500.00 BT99 has never turned up. One comment made by all sources is that many “nice” guns were never recovered. Every source has reported that little to no care was taken with any of the firearms retrieved and taken into protective custody and they were not catalogued in any fashion. One resident said “they were just thrown in there in piles”.

One family, whose house was not damaged, reported that officers were going to remove them at gun point when they refused to leave their property and a gun fight was only averted when a KBI agent stepped in front of the other officers and pleaded with them to consider what they were doing. Those residents had taken up their shotguns and were not going to leave. We can only say thank heavens for that KBI officer who had the sense to realize what pressing these people at gun point would mean.

As I talked to these residents of Greensburg the accounts of their personal experiences kept flowing and they all had certain things in common. Their rights were violated, guns were confiscated illegally and they were forced to leave their homes illegally. When government agents came to their property they did not ask them if they were okay or needed help. They were there to forcibly remove them and confiscate their property. Many of them expressed fear of reprisal should they go public. Do they have the names of the officials who they believe acted illegally and inappropriately? In many cases, the answer is yes. Did all officials act illegally and inappropriately? NO. Many were very helpful and had great concern for the well being of the residents and were there to assist them with the best of intentions.

The people in Greensburg are a close, tight knit community, everyone knows everyone kind of place. They were very resentful of government coming in and telling them what they had to do. They would have preferred to stay and help each other locate valuables and guns and not leave their property. Several residents have reported that FEMA did more harm than good and would not even cooperate with local law enforcement. Residents of the town who were firefighters and trained in rescue operations wanted to stay and help their neighbors and friends and were told they could not.

The many stories that have been shared with me are too lengthy to include in this report. I just pose these questions. If there was even one act of misconduct or illegal activity by any governmental official are we to stand by idly and allow it without complaint? Should those who broke the law be allowed to continue to “serve” as law enforcement officials without question? Should the residents of Greensburg have to fear reprisal if they report and file complaints about what happened to them? Should Kansas and its legislative body do nothing to see to it that this never happens again?

I am turning over all of the information I have obtained to the NRA complete with names and numbers of those residents which I have spoke with. I am also going to turn the information over to some members of the Kansas House and Senate. I would urge everyone to contact their legislators and demand that a full investigation be conducted in to the events that took place in Greensburg. HB 2811, The Emergency Powers Act is a bill designed to prevent this exact kind of thing from happening and provide a remedy if it does (see that article). At the time of this publication that bill is in the Senate Federal and State Affairs Committee. Rise up Kansas! Let your voice be heard! Don’t let your town be next!!

Patricia A. Stoneking
Target Master Shooting Academy, LLC
NRA Certified Training Counselor
Law Enforcement Certified Tactical Firearms Instructor
Northeast Quadrant Director, Board of Directors, Kansas State Rifle Association
Legislative Liaison, Board of Directors, Tri-County Rod and Gun Club
Vice President, Board of Directors, Kansas Second Amendment Society
P. O. Box 117
Bonner Springs, KS 66012
(913) 667-3044
http://www.targetmasteracademy.com/

See also Google Search Greensburg Gun Confiscation

and this:
Gun bill tackles a nonexistent problem from Kansas.com

[Hazcat]

I couldn't find any thing on snopes either way.

Why have we never heard of this before?  It has been a year!

[Sponsor]

[Outlaw]

Hope your right Nutzer. That would make sense and would actually be a good thing for the local PD to do. Especially the giving back part. I don't think any of us would want freaks getting ahold of guns lying around.

[Teresa Heilevang]

It's for real.....
 My sister did some checking.. and unfortunately.. it is the real deal. 

She was involved up to her ears in the "trying" and I mean TRYING to get past the corruptness of the bureaucrats so that people could get back into their property and rebuild.
You have NO IDEA what went on.. and with the local officials too!
 She worked her tail off fighting with them...
Appalling.. and they got by with lots of it too!

Here is the original site...
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222296

[Hazcat]

DAMN!!  Don't just love  how this trampling of our rights was reported by the MSM! 

[cookie62]

I have worked on and with our local disaster plan for the past 5 years or so. Nowhere in it does it mention guns or weapons! As far as emergency evacuation they are nessacery for the safety of residents. Gas and eletricity will kill you. If power lines go down you can be electricuted within 50 feet or more of them depending on voltage and conditions. I have never heard of a town shuting off electricity before hand, as one of the articles states. You don't have that kind of warning, and I don't even think it's possible to shut off a whole town. It's not on a switch. And lastly mashal law doesn't have to be declared to force residents to evacuate. All local disaster plans are very comprhensive they take many, many months to put together. Thats just my .02 cents.

Cookie

[Pathfinder]

This was a test, just like the "voluntary" DNA testing done at the traffic stop in CO. Part of the test was to gauge the reaction, but mostly it was a test of the gummint's ability to drop everything, come in and vacate a town in the event of a disaster. Why was the ATF there? For a tornado? Why?

Given the way some of the LEOs behaved, not everyone was in on the plan, and that is smart - need to know keeps word from leaking out. But as we have discussed there are also way too many LEOs more than willing to follow any illegal order.

Anyone think the disaster needs to be natural for this to happen? How about a staged train derailment, and oh-oh, nuclear material is on the train (or toxic chemicals or dangerous explosive gases or - fill in the blank) and for the health and safety of the populace we just have to move you all to this spiffy little relocation center we've set up "just in case."